UK minister surprised by Scottish independence referendum move

[nauseus]

27 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Nah; i'm just allergic to Soros ????

sore a**

[evadgib]

19 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

A word of advice - if you were in the Labour party and you were to suggest such sentiments, some of your good buddies on TVF would cry anti-semite faster than sh!t off a shovel. No way would I accuse them of being utterly disingenuous and shamelessly using the genuine scourge of anti-semitism in a cynical ploy to damage Labour and boost the Nasty Party - so mention Soros at your peril...

Blimey; like trying to carry water in a sieve! 

[RuamRudy]

8 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Blimey; like trying to carry water in a sieve! 

Oh, it's a minefield!

[izod10]

5 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Have a word with your fellow Brexiteers then mate. They seem desperate to hold onto Scotland ????

"desperate"?  not seen one comment from anybody English wanting scotland to be kept as is,not one      nobody wants you  end of

[evadgib]

19 minutes ago, izod10 said:

"desperate"?  not seen one comment from anybody English wanting scotland to be kept as is,not one      nobody wants you  end of

Which is why only ???????????????????????????? was polled in 2014 & why the ???????????????????????????? are alone in never being polled on ???????? affairs.

Edited September 12, 2020 by evadgib

[3NUMBAS]

shetland wants independance from the jocks as theyre fedup with em moaning

 

https://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2020/09/11/shetland-wool-and-lamb-could-benefit-from-japan-trade-deal

[izod10]

13 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

shetland wants independance from the jocks as theyre fedup with em moaning

 

https://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2020/09/11/shetland-wool-and-lamb-could-benefit-from-japan-trade-deal

Boris needs to offer scotland a vote,why not? but at same time offer Shetland isle a vote on self determination....scotland the brave..think not

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, izod10 said:

Boris needs to offer scotland a vote,why not? but at same time offer Shetland isle a vote on self determination....scotland the brave..think not

How many days now, and you still have either not read the actual article or you have failed to understand the words contained within it? By the way, the UK Gov link 3NUMBAS supplied and to which you replied is simply a government puff piece with little relevance to your comment. But then again, you don't seem to do detail, do you? I guess that is why we have Brexit destroying our precious UK. 

[izod10]

47 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

How many days now, and you still have either not read the actual article or you have failed to understand the words contained within it? By the way, the UK Gov link 3NUMBAS supplied and to which you replied is simply a government puff piece with little relevance to your comment. But then again, you don't seem to do detail, do you? I guess that is why we have Brexit destroying our precious UK. 

Destruction?  just where do I look,seems on the up and up  6.6% growth up  No "govt.puff piece"  18 to 2  cllrs Shetland Islands voted to get rid of scotland like s.hit off a shovel,and that is before electorate take the vote

[RuamRudy]

10 minutes ago, izod10 said:

Destruction?  just where do I look,seems on the up and up  6.6% growth up  No "govt.puff piece"  18 to 2  cllrs Shetland Islands voted to get rid of scotland like s.hit off a shovel,and that is before electorate take the vote

OK, so you didn't read the article and subsequently failed to appraise yourself of what is actually happening there? Fair enough, ignorance is not a crime. 

[transam]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

OK, so you didn't read the article and subsequently failed to appraise yourself of what is actually happening there? Fair enough, ignorance is not a crime. 

Unlike breaking up the union, Shetlands, bring it on........

[crobe]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

Unlike breaking up the union, Shetlands, bring it on........

But as Shetland Islands voted 56.5% to remain, and Orkney voted over 63% to remain - are you suggesting you would now honour their decision in a referendum - you didn't last time?

[transam]

3 minutes ago, crobe said:

But as Shetland Islands voted 56.5% to remain, and Orkney voted over 63% to remain - are you suggesting you would now honour their decision in a referendum - you didn't last time?

I think it is great that the Shetlands have come out to slag off the SNP's running of Scotland, not expected, but bloody great......

[melvinmelvin]

as far as I have read there is a political movement in the Shetlands with the

goal to sep. the shoals from not only SNP but UK.

 

might face a somewhat bumpy road ahead I would guess

 

[evadgib]

Shetland & Orkney as self governing Crown dependencies makes perfect sense, given how well it works for the CI & IoM.

[RuamRudy]

3 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

as far as I have read there is a political movement in the Shetlands with the

goal to sep. the shoals from not only SNP but UK.

 

might face a somewhat bumpy road ahead I would guess

 

Even SNP councillors backed the motion to explore a change in the governmental format - this is not an anti-SNP or anti-Scottish initiative, despite the frenzied excitement of our anti-Scottish friends on TVF. 

 

It surely would take some stretch to convince anyone that a Scottish government in Edinburgh was seen as remote but the old boy network in London was deemed preferable and more attuned to Shetland life.

 

But I think it is very prescient of the Shetlanders to set their stall out early. They can see that monumental shifts in power are imminent so now is the time to stick up for how our newly independent country should take shape. As we cast away the damaging old, let's all contribute to the building of a much fairer society. 

[RuamRudy]

3 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Shetland & Orkney as self governing Crown dependencies makes perfect sense, given how well it works for the CI & IoM.

What would be the thinking that would make them decide London was be a better choice of anchoring? As Crobe pointed out, Shetland and Orkney both overwhelmingly rejected Brexit. What is it that rUK has to offer that you think will appeal to them?

[evadgib]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

What would be the thinking that would make them decide London was be a better choice of anchoring? As Crobe pointed out, Shetland and Orkney both overwhelmingly rejected Brexit. What is it that rUK has to offer that you think will appeal to them?

Rejecting marxist socialism at a guess. 

(York rather than London BTW)

[RuamRudy]

5 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Rejecting marxist socialism at a guess. 

(York rather than London BTW)

I thought the SNP were the Tartan Tories? In fact, the only marxist in the mix is Gorgeous George Galloway, leading the Better Together campaign. 

 

Is York going to be the new seat of power? A beautiful city - I could warm to that idea. 

[vogie]

21 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Even SNP councillors backed the motion to explore a change in the governmental format - this is not an anti-SNP or anti-Scottish initiative, despite the frenzied excitement of our anti-Scottish friends on TVF. 

 

It surely would take some stretch to convince anyone that a Scottish government in Edinburgh was seen as remote but the old boy network in London was deemed preferable and more attuned to Shetland life.

 

But I think it is very prescient of the Shetlanders to set their stall out early. They can see that monumental shifts in power are imminent so now is the time to stick up for how our newly independent country should take shape. As we cast away the damaging old, let's all contribute to the building of a much fairer society. 

despite the frenzied excitement of our anti-Scottish friends on TVF. 

 

Just to clarify a point RR, don't confuse anti Scottish with disliking nationalism and all its forms. 

Edited September 13, 2020 by vogie

[transam]

30 minutes ago, crobe said:

But as Shetland Islands voted 56.5% to remain, and Orkney voted over 63% to remain - are you suggesting you would now honour their decision in a referendum - you didn't last time?

Lot has changed since then, they now have the SNP's own..........

 

[RuamRudy]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

despite the frenzied excitement of our anti-Scottish friends on TVF. 

 

Just to clarify a point RR, don't confuse anti Scottish with disliking nationalisms and all its forms. 

This sort of post, in a style which appears regularly on TVF, is not exactly discriminating. You will never find any such post from an independence poster painting all English people in the same light - yet we are routinely called anti English...

[crobe]

2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

What would be the thinking that would make them decide London was be a better choice of anchoring? As Crobe pointed out, Shetland and Orkney both overwhelmingly rejected Brexit. What is it that rUK has to offer that you think will appeal to them?

In fact it is the EU which has done more to further the cause of Shetland Islands independence than either London or Edinburgh by funding fish processing in Scalloway so that the catch does not have to go to Peterhead under the EMFF.

 

As the access to UK fishing waters was one of the original agreements in the accession of the UK to the EEC - the Shetland fishing waters are rightly seen by Shetland Islanders as a bargaining chip in getting the best deal from playing off the three parties against each other - Westminster, Holyrood and Brussels

 

Although the recent vote in Shetland was promulgated by 3 councillors from the Wir Shetland movement which has previously advocated for Shetland to be a crown dependence, that was not included in the wording - which referred instead to exploring options for self-determination. This allowed the other councillors to support it - including the majority who are in the LibDem camp and one SNP member (the Shetland member for Holyrood is from the LibDems and ex-deputy leader of the independent councillors ).

The LibDem faction is understood to be EU leaning, but any decision would have to be through an island-wide referendum -and they are insisting on the option of independence with joining the Eu to be part of any options.

 

[vogie]

16 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

This sort of post, in a style which appears regularly on TVF, is not exactly discriminating. You will never find any such post from an independence poster painting all English people in the same light - yet we are routinely called anti English...

Really, I wouldn't bet on it.

 

 

 

 

[RuamRudy]

6 minutes ago, vogie said:

Really, I wouldn't bet on it.

 

 

 

 

That was the post I was referring to earlier, although I never kept a screenshot and I seem to recall he was called out for it. You will observe, however, (1) he does not routinely contribute to UK threads on World News; (2) there are no likes on this post. 

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

That was the post I was referring to earlier, although I never kept a screenshot and I seem to recall he was called out for it. You will observe, however, (1) he does not routinely contribute to UK threads on World News; (2) there are no likes on this post. 

Indeed he was called out for it by yourself and RkSt, which is very commendable, but that doesn't mean that these people don't exist, I would bet the shirt on my back he is a nationalist and there will be many more like him.

You often confuse the word Scottish with Scots Nat, why can't anyone else make your mistake?

[evadgib]

6 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

That was the post I was referring to earlier, although I never kept a screenshot and I seem to recall he was called out for it. You will observe, however, (1) he does not routinely contribute to UK threads on World News; (2) there are no likes on this post. 

His hypocrisy was well and truly 'outed' in that thread ????

[Rimmer]

An off topic troll post has been removed

[melvinmelvin]

3 hours ago, evadgib said:

Rejecting marxist socialism at a guess. 

(York rather than London BTW)

 

you find a lot od that in London? marxist socialism?

[izod10]

5 hours ago, crobe said:

But as Shetland Islands voted 56.5% to remain, and Orkney voted over 63% to remain - are you suggesting you would now honour their decision in a referendum - you didn't last time?

Does Shetland want independence?

The Movement took part in the 1989 Scottish Constitutional Convention. A movement called Wir Shetland was launched in October 2015 to secede from the rest of Scotland in favour of becoming either a Crown Dependency or a British Overseas Territory, as a means of achieving greater autonomy for the Shetland Isles.