Loiner Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said: If they are the EU’s problem, then what you’re moaning about? Not your business. What “aid”? People don’t need anyone allow them to travel. They just travel. People are free. The EU allows their illegal migrants to cross the channel. Then it becomes our business. Not stopping them or imprisoning them - that's aid enough. They are not free to travel if they have illegally entered the EU. They are not free to enter UK. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said: So you didnt know what you were voting for? Or just didnt care? Of course I care. I care that we get out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookiescot Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 Just now, nauseus said: Of course I care. I care that we get out. Can I ask what, for you, was the biggest issue with being in the EU? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said: Someone posted the ballot paper above. You voted to end EU membership. You didn’t vote on aspects of a FTA. We don't have a FTA agreement. We are still half stay at the moment. The details of the FTA the EU would like would ensure a half stay. We didn't vote for half stay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 Just now, nauseus said: Of course I care. I care that we get out. So why expecting more ….. ? You reached your goal already ...and your waters will not flow away or evaporate ….(unless a giant comet hit it , but then it is over for all of us anyway ) ...???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorpusChristie Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Rookiescot said: Can I ask what, for you, was the biggest issue with being in the EU? Europeans being given free access to the labour force/ jobs and full access to state benefits 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Loiner said: The EU allows their illegal migrants to cross the channel. (...) They are not free to enter UK. Those are your borders. The ones you’ve taken back control of, remember? 1 minute ago, Loiner said: Not stopping them or imprisoning them - that's aid enough. They are not free to travel if they have illegally entered the EU. I’m afraid that’s not your business, and not even the EU’s business, but that of the respective state. They’re sovereign states and can decide to respect people’s freedom and let them travel as they like. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Loiner said: We don't have a FTA agreement. We are still half stay at the moment. The details of the FTA the EU would like would ensure a half stay. We didn't vote for half stay. Have you got a copy of the ballot that says you speak for all those who voted brexit? Edited September 7, 2020 by Bluespunk 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Loiner said: The details of the FTA the EU would like would ensure a half stay. We didn't vote for half stay. You never had a referendum on an FTA. You only had one on EU membership. So should there be a “half stay” FTA I’m afraid you can’t claim that that wouldn’t be in line with the referendum — because there was none on it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 1 minute ago, welovesundaysatspace said: Those are your borders. The ones you’ve taken back control of, remember? I’m afraid that’s not your business, and not even the EU’s business, but that of the respective state. They’re sovereign states and can decide to respect people’s freedom and let them travel as they like. Then you won't mind when we dump all the illegals back on the beach at Calais? They are yours, so you can have them back. Afraid they can't once they've registered as asylum seekers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said: Europeans being given free access to the labour force/ jobs and full access to state benefits Solved now ? ???? Edited September 7, 2020 by david555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorpusChristie Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 1 minute ago, david555 said: Solved now ? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 Just now, welovesundaysatspace said: You never had a referendum on an FTA. You only had one on EU membership. So should there be a “half stay” FTA I’m afraid you can’t claim that that wouldn’t be in line with the referendum — because there was none on it. The referendum vote was to Leave. If an EU preferred FTA with conditions does not concur with that but is a 'half stay', then its a 'No' to your FTA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 Just now, Loiner said: Then you won't mind when we dump all the illegals back on the beach at Calais? According to what law or agreement could the UK “dump” people(1) on a beach of a foreign country? (1) assume that’s what you mean when you say “illegals” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Loiner Posted September 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Have you got a copy of the ballot that says you speak for all those who voted brexit? We all voted for the same - Leave. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 Just now, Loiner said: The referendum vote was to Leave. If an EU preferred FTA with conditions does not concur with that but is a 'half stay', then its a 'No' to your FTA. The referendum vote was to end EU membership. No on aspects of a FTA. See the ballot paper that someone posted above. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 Just now, CorpusChristie said: Yes O.K. then . Can we just stop now this negotiation nonsense . And each run our own Country /Union ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said: According to what law or agreement could the UK “dump” people(1) on a beach of a foreign country? (1) assume that’s what you mean when you say “illegals” They are yours, we would be only returning your business. Why would anybody need a law about that? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post welovesundaysatspace Posted September 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2020 Just now, david555 said: O.K. then . Can we just stop now this negotiation nonsense . And each run our own Country /Union ? Guess why the EU leaders have long moved on to more important topics. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 Just now, Loiner said: Why would anybody need a law about that? Because that’s how reality works. I know it’s difficult to accept but that’s how it is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said: The referendum vote was to end EU membership. No on aspects of a FTA. See the ballot paper that someone posted above. We won't be half rejoining the EU under a dodgy FTA agreement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 Just now, welovesundaysatspace said: Guess why the EU leaders have long moved on to more important topics. Yes as they have to run 27 not only 3 1/2 ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookiescot Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said: Europeans being given free access to the labour force/ jobs and full access to state benefits They were not given access to benefits. They had to be resident in the UK for at least three months before they could qualify for any access to benefits. The three month rule by the way was something the UK could change at any time it wished even when in the EU. So it could have been six months. Or a year. So you dislike people from the EU coming over here and working? Even those working in the NHS? Or care homes? Or picking fruit and veg? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 Just now, welovesundaysatspace said: Because that’s how reality works. I know it’s difficult to accept but that’s how it is. Is there a law which would prevent return of your EU illegals? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Loiner said: We all voted for the same - Leave. That’s not what you said in the post I quoted. You refer to conditions of exit (half stay). Please can you show me where the ballot shows you were allocated the role of saying what the brexit vote means in such details. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorpusChristie Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: That’s not what you said in the post I quoted. You refer to conditions of exit (half stay). Please can you show me where the ballot shows you were allocated the role of saying what the brexit vote means in such details. Leave , means to leave . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: That’s not what you said in the post I quoted. You refer to conditions of exit (half stay). Please can you show me where the ballot shows you were allocated the role of saying what the brexit vote means in such details. You show me where it shows I am not allocated any role. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bluespunk Posted September 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2020 Just now, CorpusChristie said: Leave , means to leave . Ah, such detail... 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 19 minutes ago, Rookiescot said: Can I ask what, for you, was the biggest issue with being in the EU? Yes. For me, the ever closer nearness to a total loss of sovereignty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 Just now, Loiner said: You show me where it shows I am not allocated any role. Thank you, that answers my question perfectly... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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