Thailand tourism collapse poses existential crisis for airlines

[The Farang]

2 hours ago, Airbagwill said:

Your perception of Thailand seems somewhat skewed. Tourism accounts for about 20% of GDP, Industry is now around 50% and the service sector a load on top of that.

Thailand is choc-a-bloc full of multinational companies - automotives being on of the biggest being in the world's top ten motor industries. Electronics follows on close behind. 

if my memory serves me right, a few automotive companies pulled out, General Motors being one of them.

Edited September 9, 2020 by The Farang

[overherebc]

19 minutes ago, The Farang said:

You know how Thailand operates 555...

Not just Thailand. Within a month of shutdowns starting I was getting e-mails from 'ticket booking' companies I'd never heard of offering 'quality business flights' to UK from anywhere??????

Had to book and 'pay now' to take advantage of this amazing offer.

I have a sneaky suspicion I know the two countries they were coming from and they weren't coming from Thailand.

????

[soalbundy]

As an expat I am waiting to be gold plated with kind attention.....yeah, I know.

[herfiehandbag]

5 hours ago, oompie69 said:

The left hand really doesn't know what the right hand is doing. Which is surprising given the number of military-trained individuals in the decision-making echelons. Planning and implementing of plans is normally a big part of any successful military campaign.

I am reminded of an old cartoon (from "Punch" magazine I think). It showed a TV news crew in front of what was  obviously a jewellers which had suffered a ram raid.

 

The reporter is saying: "Witnesses describe the robbery as being like a military operation - an utter cock up from start to finish!"

 

 

[overherebc]

8 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

As an expat I am waiting to be gold plated with kind attention.....yeah, I know.

Careful what you wish for. ????

[herfiehandbag]

3 hours ago, Airbagwill said:

Your perception of Thailand seems somewhat skewed. Tourism accounts for about 20% of GDP, Industry is now around 50% and the service sector a load on top of that.

Thailand is choc-a-bloc full of multinational companies - automotives being on of the biggest being in the world's top ten motor industries. Electronics follows on close behind. 

Well perhaps we can agree that tourism is effectively wiped out, any recovery will be slow and laborious.

That then takes 20% of GDP away.

That will inevitably effect manufacturing for domestic consumption, and the worldwide export markets are going to be at least sluggish for some time to come leading I suppose to a further significant drop in GDP.

 

That is a very big chunk of the available money within Thailand's economy lost in however you look at it

[Fex Bluse]

4 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Well perhaps we can agree that tourism is effectively wiped out, any recovery will be slow and laborious.

That then takes 20% of GDP away.

That will inevitably effect manufacturing for domestic consumption, and the worldwide export markets are going to be at least sluggish for some time to come leading I suppose to a further significant drop in GDP.

 

That is a very big chunk of the available money within Thailand's economy lost in however you look at it

Will be a great year or two for cheap handjobs. Probably younger, fitter ladies as well. Fewer Chinese tourists. Good outcome 

 

[nodomino]

It was a rapid decent towards empty airliners. I traveled in and out of Thailand about 15 times from December until March and through Mid February most every seat was occupied. First to disappear were families with small children. Then everyone else. My last flight on an A320 had one passenger every other row with the occasional exception of pairs of travelers, usually husband and wife. What a comedown.

[mommysboy]

7 hours ago, The Farang said:

I give Thailand credit for trying to boost tourism.  I saw a commercial here un USA from Amazing Thailand promoting tourism.   Never saw ads before from Thailand.  But, Thailand needs to change focus from tourism and make it lucrative for businesses to set up shop in Thailand.  Big companies that can build headquarters.   That will bring foreigners and also can be a silent salesman for Thailand.   Can't put your eggs in one basket.

Short on detail- what do you suggest?

[2 is 1]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I never understand the 'knee jerk' too many people posts.

Yes there are too many Africans, Indians, Chinese ........ everywhere else is doing just fine with their population.

You just announce the problem! There where have too many people don't have space, so they start to come other coundry's! Refugee come in Europe from Africa,Turkey many hudred thousand's! They come coz living standard , coz have war etc. Problem is already here! Soon don't have even clean water every place!

[otherstuff1957]

Ironic that they are bemoaning the lack of tourists..... while Immigration has given the few remaining tourists in the country until the 26th of September to get out!

[Arthur Mullard]

7 hours ago, The Farang said:

I give Thailand credit for trying to boost tourism.  I saw a commercial here un USA from Amazing Thailand promoting tourism.   Never saw ads before from Thailand.  But, Thailand needs to change focus from tourism and make it lucrative for businesses to set up shop in Thailand.  Big companies that can build headquarters.   That will bring foreigners and also can be a silent salesman for Thailand.   Can't put your eggs in one basket.

I saw that or a similar one on Twitter. Incredibly polished production. Those big companies - though good idea in theory - would need to know they'd be investing in a safe non-corrupt country, with a clean record for foreign businesses, trusted impartial jurisdiction... trusted leaders and other highly honorable persons... Bangkok would be like a new Hong Kong. But that dream is as artificial as the promo.  

Edited September 9, 2020 by Arthur Mullard

[SupermarineS6B]

7 hours ago, sammieuk1 said:

I left swampy on the 20/02/20 it was devoid of people and you could hear the echo from your footsteps then add the OTT actions of this government and you get your comeuppance no one ????

I went back to work on the 5/7/20 from swampy, i was the only one at immigration, walked from Immigration all the way to the gate hardly anyone there, the not surprising familiar sight in la la land was most of the staff glued to their phones.......    It's so sad because all this could stop just like that, but the boys with the shiny buttons couldn't lose that much face.....    Well , we all know what has to happen to rid Thailand of it's cancer and it's going to take some particularly nasty surgery........

[SupermarineS6B]

6 minutes ago, Arthur Mullard said:

I saw that or a similar one on Twitter. Incredibly polished production. Those big companies - though good idea in theory - would need to know they'd be investing in a safe non-corrupt country, with a clean record for foreign businesses, trusted impartial jurisdiction... trusted leaders and other highly honorable persons... Bangkok would be like a new Hong Kong. But that dream is as artificial as the promo.  

Could you imagine this lot getting their sticky little fingers into Hong Kong back in its day ?    This is why Thailand can never be trusted, it's inbred corruption......  

[jerolamo]

4 hours ago, Airbagwill said:

Your perception of Thailand seems somewhat skewed. Tourism accounts for about 20% of GDP, Industry is now around 50% and the service sector a load on top of that.

Thailand is choc-a-bloc full of multinational companies - automotives being on of the biggest being in the world's top ten motor industries. Electronics follows on close behind. 

what is the names of these automotive company which is in the top ten motor industries ? A Thai company ?

I knew they start electronic industries and build some hard drives, but i didn't know they have automotive motors company... that's great. Which one please ?

[FritsSikkink]

7 hours ago, The Farang said:

  But, Thailand needs to change focus from tourism and make it lucrative for businesses to set up shop in Thailand.  Big companies that can build headquarters.  

They already can and do so.

[jerolamo]

2 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

They already can and do so.

good... no more problem then ?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

6 hours ago, oompie69 said:

successful military campaign

 

The current leadership has actual experience with SUCCESSFUL military campaigns???  Who knew???

 

[SupermarineS6B]

5 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The current leadership has actual experience with SUCCESSFUL military campaigns???  Who knew???

 

Must be drawing on that vast experience facing the Japanese for six hours ......   Don't it's pathetic enough......  

[Mavideol]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand tourism collapse poses existential crisis for airlines

not just for airlines but for all tourism related activities, which makes me think that it would be the prefect timing for Thailand to seat down and take a look back at their tourism goals, maybe it's time for a full Reset/Restart process, see what was wrong, come up with new ideas to make tourists/expats life easy, that has to be made in coordination/ cooperation with the IMO as well, they have to work hand on hand and figure out what (besides the virus) went wrong, can not blame everything on the virus, although it's part of the problem, prior to the virus tourism was starting to have obvious lows/complains

[FritsSikkink]

6 hours ago, oompie69 said:

Spot on! Shows there is no co-ordination between government ministries. The left hand really doesn't know what the right hand is doing. Which is surprising given the number of military-trained individuals in the decision-making echelons. Planning and implementing of plans is normally a big part of any successful military campaign. But then again, TIT!

Nope, loads of international companies have setup business here for quite a long time.

[FritsSikkink]

4 hours ago, Dukeleto said:

From the link to the full article:

"In 2019, tourism contributed nearly 20% of the country’s GDP. "

 

Buuut the government said only 9%! I am also very scepticle of "nearly 20%". I think it is far greater! Zero international tourism has a massive knock on affect. The reaction to this virus, simply put is rediculous and is taking the world back to the dark ages. There are too many people and too little land on this planet already for everyone to go back to a "live off the land sceanario" which is what Thailand seems intent on doing. Somethings got to give and soon!

You have money coming directly from tourist and indirectly, that explains the difference. what you believe is no value at all.

[FritsSikkink]

2 hours ago, chilli42 said:

And it’s still a much less attractive place to set up a company than Vietnam

Can you give me some numbers to prove that statement. Not talking about a bar or restaurant but for a multinational.

[SupermarineS6B]

It's so sad watching the destruction of a country that i've called home for three decades now, all down to a bunch of plastic action men shysters.

Those of us who've been here a while will remember that we used to live on back to back tourist visas and there was never a problem doing this, infact it was a sanity restorer to have a nice little holiday to Malaysia, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, and there was never a problem getting back home into Thailand. 

The problems arose when Cha Cha and his bandits turned up and basically turned Thailand into the nastiness it is today, i can honestly say that for twenty five years i never had an issue with immigration and as soon as these thugs took power the country was heading down to the situation it's now in.

How can you live in a country that you're not sure of getting back into every time you leave ?  

Absolute pure madness, now they're begging for tourism........ Very simple, just get rid of the people who've caused all these problems....... It all started six years ago, ramped itself up to the craziness it is now......  You don't have to be Einstein to work this one out.........  From the land of smiles to the land of misery....... all courtesy of the shiny button mob...........

[Madeline Thompson]

8 hours ago, The Farang said:

I give Thailand credit for trying to boost tourism.  I saw a commercial here un USA from Amazing Thailand promoting tourism.   Never saw ads before from Thailand.  But, Thailand needs to change focus from tourism and make it lucrative for businesses to set up shop in Thailand.  Big companies that can build headquarters.   That will bring foreigners and also can be a silent salesman for Thailand.   Can't put your eggs in one basket.

Problem is not about enticing foreigners - foreigners are not permitted into the country.  No big business wants to come to a country that is heading towards an irreparable stagnation.  Thailand's government has to show signs of innovation, openness, and seriously created and in-place, actively workable, avenues  for moving forward. Then maybe real business ventures will become possible.

[Flying Saucage]

2 hours ago, rupert the bear said:

the problem is whatever route thailand takes whether it be tourism  or whatever travel must be part of it.wheres the money come from?overseas.if its from europe japan or china it still needs foreign expertise along with the capital,its that simple.the blanket ban and restrictions on travel and tourism dont add up.so put a system together that allows that,test on arrival its cheap and easy,incomers need a test the other side within 72 hrs of flying,job done,stay at hotel 2 days and if neg away you go,there will be infections ,deal with them.over the long weekend the hallowed ground of internal transmission was breached so it tells us what most people thought,theres a reservoir of infection with in the country, end of story,testing-thai doesnt do test.800k is the no,one of the smallest ratios per pop in the world its a count similar to ugandas.why?ask yourself that and theres plenty of money the philippinnes has tested close to 3 mill.over the long weekend we had over 100 deaths on the roads and the hysteria over the dj's infection .well theres something very wrong here,more die over the weekend than in 10 month s of this.millions are impoverished and out of work.we have the super rich standing aside doing nothing ,zillions in their pockets,people are tiring of the feudal idiocy we can see that in terms of the political awareness,the army govt desperately trying to lie their way out of every corrupt corner they paint themselves into.simply do what the govt should do .provide for the welfare of people,how? open up the economy intelligently along with the political process.the 2 ride together,if not......

 

I like the posts of rupert the bear quite a lot, however they are so difficult to read due to a lack of blanks and capital letters.

 

To boost the readability, I just improve the readability of your post here, Rupert. I just entered some blanks, paragraphs, capital letters and puncutation characters. I hope your will forgive me Rupert:

 

"The problem is whatever route Thailand takes whether it be tourism or whatever travel must be part of it. Where's the money come from? Overseas. If its from Europe, Japan or China it still needs foreign expertise along with the capital, its that simple.

 

The blanket ban and restrictions on travel and tourism don't add up. So put a system together that allows that, test on arrival its cheap and easy, incomers need a test the other side within 72 hrs of flying, job done, stay at hotel 2 days and if neg away you go, there will be infections, deal with them.

 

Over the long weekend the hallowed ground of internal transmission was breached so it tells us what most people thought, there's a reservoir of infection with in the country, end of story, testing-thai doesn't do test. 800k is the no, one of the smallest ratios per pop in the world it's a count similar to ugandas. Why? Ask yourself that and there's plenty of money the philippinnes has tested close to 3 mill.

 

Over the long weekend we had over 100 deaths on the roads and the hysteria over the DJ's infection. Well there's something very wrong here, more die over the weekend than in 10 months of this.

 

Millions are impoverished and out of work. We have the super rich standing aside doing nothing, Zillions in their pockets, people are tiring of the feudal idiocy we can see that in terms of the political awareness, the army govt desperately trying to lie their way out of every corrupt corner they paint themselves into. Simply do what the govt should do. Provide for the welfare of people, how? Open up the economy intelligently along with the political process.the 2 ride together,if not......"

 

Love your post, Rupert! 

 

Edited September 9, 2020 by Flying Saucage

[FritsSikkink]

48 minutes ago, jerolamo said:

what is the names of these automotive company which is in the top ten motor industries ? A Thai company ?

I knew they start electronic industries and build some hard drives, but i didn't know they have automotive motors company... that's great. Which one please ?

BMW, MG, Ford, Harley Davidson, ...

Those I know for sure, think there are a couple more.

Edited September 9, 2020 by FritsSikkink

[SupermarineS6B]

2 minutes ago, Flying Saucage said:

 

I like the posts of rupert the bear quite a lot, however they are so difficult to read due to a lack of blanks and capital letters.

 

To boost the readability, I just improve the readability of your post here, Rupert. I just entered some blanks, paragraphs, capital letters and puncutation characters. I hope your will forgive me Rupert:

 

"The problem is whatever route Thailand takes whether it be tourism or whatever travel must be part of it. Where's the money come from? Overseas. If its from Europe, Japan or China it still needs foreign expertise along with the capital, its that simple.

 

The blanket ban and restrictions on travel and tourism don't add up. So put a system together that allows that, test on arrival its cheap and easy, incomers need a test the other side within 72 hrs of flying, job done, stay at hotel 2 days and if neg away you go, there will be infections, deal with them.

 

Over the long weekend the hallowed ground of internal transmission was breached so it tells us what most people thought, there's a reservoir of infection with in the country, end of story, testing-thai doesn't do test. 800k is the no, one of the smallest ratios per pop in the world it's a count similar to ugandas. Why? Ask yourself that and there's plenty of money the philippinnes has tested close to 3 mill.

 

Over the long weekend we had over 100 deaths on the roads and the hysteria over the DJ's infection. Well there's something very wrong here, more die over the weekend than in 10 months of this. Millions are impoverished and out of work. We have the super rich standing aside doing nothing, Zillions in their pockets, people are tiring of the feudal idiocy we can see that in terms of the political awareness, the army govt desperately trying to lie their way out of every corrupt corner they paint themselves into. Simply do what the govt should do. Provide for the welfare of people, how? Open up the economy intelligently along with the political process.the 2 ride together,if not......"

 

Love your post, Rupert! 

Who'd of thought it eh, Cockroaches and English teachers will be the only ones to emerge from the fallout.........????

[RichardColeman]

Think the majority of reasonable people can clearly see that the virus is not as bad as the lunatic steps each country is taking and the knock on effects to the public. When this is all over history will look back with condemnation on this pathetic and over the top response to a virus killing less than road deaths per year, making millions unemployed and jobless, more people dying as they cannot get access to hospitals for other treatment, people starving as charity infrastructure gone, etc

 

Please end this lunacy

[LomSak27]

41 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

8 hours ago, The Farang said:

  But, Thailand needs to change focus from tourism and make it lucrative for businesses to set up shop in Thailand.  Big companies that can build headquarters.  

They already can and do so.

Kingsgate Consolidated is doing a bang up job at Chatree Goldmine in Pichit. Must be a real moneymaker now that gold prices have shot up.