UK PM Johnson appeals to party for support over controversial bill

[RayC]

7 hours ago, vogie said:

And you don't? of course we would like to see the UK get a good deal from the EU, if the EU doesn't want to get a good deal from the UK can I suggest there is something lacking in their approach to these 'negotiations'. Barnier is not looking for a deal, he sees this as a perfect opportunity to hurt the UK and indeed split up the UK and is quite prepared to cut his own nose off to spite his face. If that doesn't warrant a change in leaders, what does?

 

 What are you suggesting? Is Barnier (1) acting independently or (2) under instruction from the 27 EU states?

 

If (1) then I rather think that the EU would have removed him by now, don't you? If (2) then according to your logic, countries such as Belgium, Ireland and the Netherlands to mention just three, have embarked on a voyage of self-harm.

 

Politicians in Ireland might wish the island of Ireland to be united, and Spain might see an opportunity re Gilbrator if the UK were to split up, but what's in it for the other 25 countries? Are France and Germany about to seize UK colonies in Africa and Asia? Is the Netherlands about to reclaim New Amsterdam? Newsflash, Vogie: It's the 21st century, not the 18th, 19th or early 20th.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, RayC said:

 What are you suggesting? Is Barnier (1) acting independently or (2) under instruction from the 27 EU states?

 

If (1) then I rather think that the EU would have removed him by now, don't you? If (2) then according to your logic, countries such as Belgium, Ireland and the Netherlands to mention just three, have embarked on a voyage of self-harm.

 

Politicians in Ireland might wish the island of Ireland to be united, and Spain might see an opportunity re Gilbrator if the UK were to split up, but what's in it for the other 25 countries? Are France and Germany about to seize UK colonies in Africa and Asia? Is the Netherlands about to reclaim New Amsterdam? Newsflash, Vogie: It's the 21st century, not the 18th, 19th or early 20th.

What are you suggesting?

 

What I am suggesting is in my post, if it's not there, I am not suggesting it! And as for your patronising finale to your post, predictable! 

[kingdong]

On 9/12/2020 at 3:14 PM, 3NUMBAS said:

EU revenge plot: BBC's Katya Adler exposes Brussels' plan to wipe out UK industries

THE BBC's Katya Adler has outlined the EU's threat to wipe out Britain's agricultural, car and financial industries if Britain defies Brussels again.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1334350/EU-News-Brussels-BBC-Katya-Adler-Brexit-UK-industries-punishment-plan-latest-news

and the remainers wondered why the people of great britain voted to leave.

[kingdong]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

 

 

8 minutes ago, RayC said:

 What are you suggesting? Is Barnier (1) acting independently or (2) under instruction from the 27 EU states?

 

If (1) then I rather think that the EU would have removed him by now, don't you? If (2) then according to your logic, countries such as Belgium, Ireland and the Netherlands to mention just three, have embarked on a voyage of self-harm.

 

Politicians in Ireland might wish the island of Ireland to be united, and Spain might see an opportunity re Gilbrator if the UK were to split up, but what's in it for the other 25 countries? Are France and Germany about to seize UK colonies in Africa and Asia? Is the Netherlands about to reclaim New Amsterdam? Newsflash, Vogie: It's the 21st century, not the 18th, 19th or early 20th.

what british colonies in africa?rhodesia was the last one,who were sold down the river 40 years ago and is now a utopia for its citizens,do try to keep up with current affairs.and wheres gilbrator?

[Rookiescot]

52 minutes ago, transam said:

"Everyone is sick of the Brexiteers"......Using the words of 49,

"Have you got a link for that", because the last general election showed the opposite, comrade........????

Read it again. I was talking about the people of Europe. 

[Rookiescot]

52 minutes ago, transam said:

Don't think so, we do not use your technology.....

 

 

 

Is that the only picture of yourself you have?

[Mavideol]

15 minutes ago, kingdong said:

and the remainers wondered why the people of great britain voted to leave.

what goes around comes around.... the UK has the right to brake the law, so does the EU and Scotland and soon NI will follow, with his unlawful proposal, BJ, just open a door wide open....he should have thought about the potential repercussions of his bad actions/intentions, now it's EU pay back time, he was warned.... guess what? more to come

[Rookiescot]

38 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I told you what I voted for. No single market. No customs union. Regain control of fishing. No ECJ. No level playing field. I'd prefer FTA to WTO but that's way down the list of priorities. EU trade levels with China prove what can be done without an FTA. A Billion Euros a day.   

 

I don't care how it looks to the EU. Couldn't give a toss. Not a single <deleted> given. Believe me, we'll be delighted to see the finally be out of there.

Right so we are agreed then.

No deal it is.

Lets get on with it shall we?

No point in any more negotiations.

[transam]

Just now, Rookiescot said:

Is that the only picture of yourself you have?

It's not me, you can tell, I ain't got a big hooter.....????

[Opl]

12 minutes ago, kingdong said:

do try to keep up with current affairs.and wheres gilbrator?

and where will the border between the UK and the EU be ?

[RayC]

35 minutes ago, vogie said:

Boris Johnsons record on Brexit says quite the opposite, and you probably realise this anyway, just because he is driving the car and he aint going in your direction then all you have left is name calling.

Hardly name calling, more an opinion. 

 

The car hasn't been going in my direction since June 2016, but I had hoped to arrive at my destination unharmed. Sadly, with Johnson at the wheel, it doesn't look I will.

 

If you think that a breakdown in the relationship with our closest neighbours, (and the complete mismanagement of a pandemic to boot) qualify as success then, yes, this government has done a fine job.

[stevenl]

22 minutes ago, kingdong said:

and the remainers wondered why the people of great britain voted to leave.

What a load of nonsense. Of course the EU will now be competing with the UK, but 'defying the EU' 'wiping out industries', baseless hate speech.

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

It's not me, you can tell, I ain't got a big hooter.....????

Yeah some of the girls on Walking street were saying that.

[RayC]

6 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Not necessarily because...

 

...his mandate is to protect the single market, which is worth much more than the 7-8% UK market. 
 

He’s just the frontman representing the 27 nations, so they can focus on the real issues — Russia, China, Covid, etc. 

 

This FT article is quite on point: Germany has more pressing concerns than Brexit: Viewed from Berlin, it would be dangerous and self-defeating to agree a Brexit deal that undermines the single market. As the Germans see it, allowing the UK tariff and quota-free access to that market — while exempting the country from the EU’s state-aid regulations and border controls — would pose an unacceptable threat to Europe’s legal order, prosperity and unity.”

 

And “if you want to hear British-style understatement these days, you need to go to Germany. The political atmosphere in London is hysterical and insular. It is the Germans who are thinking globally and whose maxim now seems to be: “keep calm and carry on”.

 

(https://www.ft.com/content/e9b7b193-47d4-4887-abe1-2c12f344922a)

More left-wing, anti-UK propaganda from that well-known organ of the Trotskyists ... oh, hold on....????

[welovesundaysatspace]

 

2 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

he should have thought about the potential repercussions of his bad actions/intentions, now it's EU pay back time, he was warned.... guess what? more to come

You haven’t learned by now that one of the many incompetences of Brexiteers is that they don’t think about the consequences of their doings but run to their moms crying foul when they got a bloody nose. And this is just a warning shot. The big guns will come later when those thugs actually go through with their threats to break international law. No trade deal, fines and sanctions will be a different game than this diplomatic hint. 

[Bruntoid]

33 minutes ago, RayC said:

 What are you suggesting? Is Barnier (1) acting independently or (2) under instruction from the 27 EU states?

 

If (1) then I rather think that the EU would have removed him by now, don't you? If (2) then according to your logic, countries such as Belgium, Ireland and the Netherlands to mention just three, have embarked on a voyage of self-harm.

 

Politicians in Ireland might wish the island of Ireland to be united, and Spain might see an opportunity re Gilbrator if the UK were to split up, but what's in it for the other 25 countries? Are France and Germany about to seize UK colonies in Africa and Asia? Is the Netherlands about to reclaim New Amsterdam? Newsflash, Vogie: It's the 21st century, not the 18th, 19th or early 20th.

lol you don’t get a lot of humour on TVF nowadays so cheers for that ????????

 

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

What a load of nonsense. Of course the EU will now be competing with the UK, but 'defying the EU' 'wiping out industries', baseless hate speech.

Brexit was based purely on hate - there’s nothing to suggest otherwise 

[Bruntoid]

Boris has just explained that one of the reasons he’s about to severely downgrade the UK’s credibility (again) is the current withdrawal agreement to which he signed up to COULD lead to a 100% tariff on Devonshire Clotted Cream !! So at least you know he’s taking care of the serious stuff ????

[Bruntoid]

31 minutes ago, kingdong said:

and the remainers wondered why the people of great britain voted to leave.

Hang on is that the same anti brexit BBC that the Brexiteers continually lambast as being bias ? Are we to take them seriously now ? 
 

That BBC ? 

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

Boris has just explained that one of the reasons he’s about to severely downgrade the UK’s credibility (again) is the current withdrawal agreement to which he signed up to COULD lead to a 100% tariff on Devonshire Clotted Cream !! So at least you know he’s taking care of the serious stuff ????

I strongly suggest the EU will be more worried about stuff like chlorine washed chicken. Its illegal in the EU and they will not want it entering its borders via the UK.

But of course Brexiteers have now claimed that ALL foodstuffs will be banned unless they renege on the WA. 

[RayC]

26 minutes ago, kingdong said:

 

what british colonies in africa?rhodesia was the last one,who were sold down the river 40 years ago and is now a utopia for its citizens,do try to keep up with current affairs.and wheres gilbrator?

Oh my giddy Aunt ..... Unusually for me, I am (almost) speechless.... It's probably my fault. My misspelling of Gibraltar must have confused you. I apologise.

[Opl]

11 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

the EU will be more worried about stuff like chlorine washed chicken.

+ cheap low quality fraudulent Chinese goods transformed in EC.... 

Edited September 15, 2020 by Opl

[RayC]

42 minutes ago, vogie said:

What are you suggesting?

 

What I am suggesting is in my post, if it's not there, I am not suggesting it! And as for your patronising finale to your post, predictable! 

And unfortunately a predictable post from you, Vogie. One that doesn't address the point.

[vogie]

^^.         ^^

 

Lets just say I hunch about you and all is not as it seems.

Edited September 15, 2020 by vogie

[stevenl]

19 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

lol you don’t get a lot of humour on TVF nowadays so cheers for that ????????

 

Brexit was based purely on hate - there’s nothing to suggest otherwise 

To a large extent yes, agree. But also the memory of a great past played a major part. But same as everywhere, also for the UK the past can't be brought back.

[vogie]

24 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

lol you don’t get a lot of humour on TVF nowadays so cheers for that ????????

 

Brexit was based purely on hate - there’s nothing to suggest otherwise 

How right you are, nothing but grousing all the time.

[Bruntoid]

3 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

bojos bill passes onto the next reading ..passed by

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54156419

 

labour gobshytes were trying to block it as usual as theyre in bed with the EU mafia

Intellect levels click up a notch on TVF ????

[7by7]

22 hours ago, Loiner said:

Kate Hoey is a person of Northern Ireland is she not? She understands it and I don't have to tell her, she's telling it to everybody.

 

She is one person in Northern Ireland. As already shown to you, most Northern Ireland politicians disagree with her. Even the Ulster Unionists. Although the DUP's Arlene Foster has now decided to back him; I wonder at what cost; as much or more than May promised?

 

Hoey's accuracy track record isn't very great: Fact check: Kate Hoey’s claims about the EU

Quote

That’s what Brexit-backing Labour MP Kate Hoey told the Express at a Labour Leave event last week.

But two out of three of her claims are wrong.

 

22 hours ago, Loiner said:

WA written by Dominic Cummings?? You have no idea - Angela Merkel's backroom boys wrote it. After more EU lack of good faith in the transition period, Boris has overwritten and clarified it by the Internal Market Bill.

Where were you when Boris prorogued Parliament because they didn't accept this withdrawal agreement?

 

Where were you when Johnson called a back me or sack me general election after Parliament still refused to accept this agreement?

 

Where were you when Johnson announced this agreement as his and told us all how wonderful it was for the UK?

 

It is you who has no idea.

23 hours ago, Loiner said:

The EU's clutches have tightened over 40 years. Boris's bill is levering off its' last fingers from the EU's possible NI trade blockade.

 

Your breaking an agreement nonsense is just EU and Remainer howls of fake outrage, mostly because Boris (and Dominic?)  has beaten you all yet again. The world can see this and will disregard the EU to continue trading with us. That's good for the UK.

You really must pay attention.

 

Johnson signed an agreement which he hailed at the time as "a "fantastic moment" for the country, saying the signing was "a fantastic moment, which finally delivers the result of the 2016 referendum" (source).

 

That agreement was enshrined in UK law via the European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Act 2020

 

Now he's decided for some reason to ignore all of that; decided to break that agreement, break UK law. 

 

23 hours ago, Loiner said:

Anything that overrides the Remainers is good for the UK

You have still refused to answer how Johnson proving to the world that he is not only ready and willing to ignore an international agreement he previously hailed as a triumph but in so doing is also read y and willing to ignore an Act passed by his own government is good for the UK.

 

Obviously, you can't; because it isn't.

 

23 hours ago, Loiner said:

I don't really know what your country is, but if you try to say the UK you are obviously lying about your allegiances.

My allegiances are as explained to you many times; to the country I was born in, the country I live in, the country my father spent 6 years of his life defending: the UK.

 

But you have forgotten that; just as you have forgotten your enthusiastic support for the Withdrawal Agreement and the Northern Ireland Protocol last year and in January this year when Johnson was telling you how wonderful it was!

 

 

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

what goes around comes around.... the UK has the right to brake the law, so does the EU and Scotland and soon NI will follow, with his unlawful proposal, BJ, just open a door wide open....he should have thought about the potential repercussions of his bad actions/intentions, now it's EU pay back time, he was warned.... guess what? more to come

the uk has the power to " brake "( i presume you meant stop ) the law,well they have and they did.

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

Oh my giddy Aunt ..... Unusually for me, I am (almost) speechless.... It's probably my fault. My misspelling of Gibraltar must have confused you. I apologise.

apology accepted,actually your whole post confused me,just a deflection however i ask again,how many colonies does britain have in africa today?

[7by7]

2 minutes ago, kingdong said:

the uk has the power to " brake "( i presume you meant stop ) the law,well they have and they did.

 Your grammar and typing means you should be careful about criticising others; and it's UK, not uk!

 

The whole agreement, including the Northern Ireland Protocol, is enshrined in UK law via Johnson's European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Act 2020. 

 

Of course, Parliament can repeal that Act, but until it so does it is the law. UK law because of the Act; international law as the agreement is an international treaty.