Popular Post stevenl Posted September 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2020 4 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said: <snip>That businesses Trump had involvement in have filed for bankruptcy is irrelevant. Disagree with you, it is very telling for his business sense and his mentality. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post candide Posted September 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Poet said: Seriously, you don't remember Pelosi dramatic appearance in Chinatown to protest his decision, and inviting everyone in San Francisco to come join her? I'm pretty sure Biden called it racist too, because that was the Democrat line at that time, around the end of February. Fairly standard rhetoric in these times. Trump can be criticized for plenty of things, include later aspects of the covid response, why pick on something he happened to get right? Pelosi did not go to Chinatown to protest his decision. She went there because people were afraid to go there although there was no coronavirus in Chinatown at that time. Pelosi and Biden called Trump a racist many times over the years, in particular because of his statements about immigrants and the so-called Muslim travel bans (including the last one on Jan. 31). As I wrote before, if you want to find a quote mentioning the CHINA travel ban, good luck to you! Trump was right to implement travel restrictions, but his claim that he courageously decided it against the opinion of everyone else is false. There was no particular opposition to it in the US, and around 50 other countries implemented a travel ban at about the same time or before 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodga Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I never get these idiots, why not spend it on a hospital instead and do something decent instead of trying to satisfy your own cravings. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post forehandplus Posted September 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, bodga said: I never get these idiots, why not spend it on a hospital instead and do something decent instead of trying to satisfy your own cravings. Maybe he figures that if Trump gets reelected 10's of millions of people won't be able to afford to go to hospitals. Unless of course, Trump finally produces that big beautiful health care plan he's been promising for almost 4 years now. The last time he promised that it would be released by August 1. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Berkshire Posted September 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Poet said: I am not political, but I suspect that among ordinary swing voters - the folks who voted for Obama twice but couldn't stomach Hillary - incidents such as the cops getting shot, businesses getting looted, and even seemingly trivial stuff such as those old people getting harassed in DC, may be more upsetting than the Democrats realize. Even fairly non-technical people are getting to see this stuff online, so, it creates a sense of unreality when the Democrat convention and media ignore those details. In May, I was pretty certain that Trump had no path to re-election, after being a near certainty in February due to the economy. In just a few short months, too many key factors had swung in the wrong direction and he was toast. In May, I realized it would take a miracle for him to turn this around, an absolute miracle. That miracle was George Floyd's neck. What at first looked like yet another electoral torpedo turned out to be a liferaft for Trump as BLM, bouyed by the initiable surge of public support and corporate protection money, went insane and starting saying out loud the things they weren't meant to say. Then the Democrats joined the insanity by holding a national convention that did not once mention the riots which most potential voters were fully aware of. Then they embraced Jacob Blake, a man who had sexually molested his estranged wife the very morning he was shot. All of this is alarming regular folks outside the media bubble. I have never seen public sentiment shift as fast as it has against BLM over the past few months. I'm guessing the current protests, chanting "All pigs must die" outside the hospital where the police deputies shot earlier are in serious condition, won't help either. I'm genuinely curious to know if the Biden supporters here are aware that this perceptual gap between you and public could be a problem, possibly blowing what should be a sure thing. Your "Trump leaning" rhetoric can't hide the fact that all this rioting and lawlessness is happening on Trump's watch. Trump can't claim to fix something later that he clearly can't fix now. Most fair-minded Americans can see that with their own eyes. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bodga Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 hour ago, forehandplus said: Maybe Yeah bet 100 million on a "maybe" whereas if he funded a hospital it would be 100% definite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemos Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 My old man, RIP, said show me a millionaire(b) and ill show you a million people who have lost a dollar . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fex Bluse Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 5 hours ago, Morch said: Got to love Trump supporters having issues with confused crazy rants. Somehow Trump's version of such is received as poetry, or some mystical message that needs to be interpreted. And nice choice of source there - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_News_Australia#Criticism_and_controversies "I'm Joe Biden, and I'm running for Queen of England." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Theory Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 (edited) One liar vs another. ???? Edited September 14, 2020 by The Theory 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post earlinclaifornia Posted September 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Cryingdick said: The problem with that is that the dems are desperate to get people to vote by mail before the debates. So a slow Joe melt down might be of no use. In the future it needs to be vote via smartphone and vote can be changed right until the second the polls close. Either way the election is going to be contested. The dems don't seem to be so sure in the polls themselves. If they were they wouldn't want the mail in voting and secure a clean win. They may think they have a chance but once again are taking out insurance. Hail to Cryingdick who knows the Democrats so well Joking, she doesn't have much intuition and is dead on trump supporter. Knows that the results will be contested, even. Most all supporters now are caving with despair They realize trump is losing and worst of all he has no money and will never spend a dime of his wealth. Come Election Day I get to choose a new avatar for her I am excited. Edited September 14, 2020 by earlinclaifornia 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowboat Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 hours ago, forehandplus said: Which is why he's running on a program to increase taxes on the 1 %? In politics, follow the money. It's obvious that if anyone is a shill for the 1 percent, it's Trump. Was not aware he had any program. Dream on taking money from the rich. It never works, and it never will work. Almost all rich people own companies, and they only pay themselves what they need. The company handles the rest. That and they have ex IRS attorneys working for them who know the 7000 page tax code. I thought all those in Hollywood, Silicon Valley and Wall street hated Trump. Isn't that just about all the wealthy people in the US? If the wealthy do pay more, it will be voluntary. Your statement would make me want to vote for Trump. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Matzzon Posted September 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2020 I just hope he will get checked up for all he has been accused for after he is removed from the presidential chair. Hopefully the American people will revoke his nationality and deport him to Mexico. Then all the Mexicans can show him how much they love him. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemo38 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 It shows what a sham democracy is. If people were really rational agents, capable of independently looking at issues and making a decision, no one would spend big money to change their minds, and there wouldn't be worries about "fake news". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redline Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 12 hours ago, Fex Bluse said: Maybe Bloomberg can spend some of that 100 million to get Biden treatment for dementia. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morch Posted September 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Fex Bluse said: "I'm Joe Biden, and I'm running for Queen of England." I'll see you Queen of England and raise one Covfefe. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, nemo38 said: It shows what a sham democracy is. If people were really rational agents, capable of independently looking at issues and making a decision, no one would spend big money to change their minds, and there wouldn't be worries about "fake news". Can't go wrong with dictatorships, eh? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlinclaifornia Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 (edited) 57 minutes ago, yellowboat said: Was not aware he had any program. Dream on taking money from the rich. It never works, and it never will work. Almost all rich people own companies, and they only pay themselves what they need. The company handles the rest. That and they have ex IRS attorneys working for them who know the 7000 page tax code. I thought all those in Hollywood, Silicon Valley and Wall street hated Trump. Isn't that just about all the wealthy people in the US? If the wealthy do pay more, it will be voluntary. Your statement would make me want to vote for Trump. Surely you lost most all of us all when you decided "Hollywood, Silicon Valley and Wall street, that just about all the wealthy people in the US?" Either you just don't have a clue or ... Edited September 14, 2020 by earlinclaifornia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said: Surely you lost most all of us all when you decided "Hollywood, Silicon Valley and Wall street, that just about all the wealthy people in the US?" Either you just don't have a clue or ... People need handy labels. On a trip to Turkey, three locals (yeah, I know, but in a famous tourist place) had trouble figuring where the Mrs. was from. Finally, the brightest got it - "Taiwanland! Tsunami! Sex shop!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fex Bluse Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 55 minutes ago, Redline said: Not nearly as bad as Joe. 77 is simply too old to run any country. There should be upper age limits 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowboat Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 38 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said: Surely you lost most all of us all when you decided "Hollywood, Silicon Valley and Wall street, that just about all the wealthy people in the US?" Either you just don't have a clue or ... Cancelling me does not make your argument that much more credible. What makes you so clued in? Here are the five U.S. cities with the most UHNW individuals: New York City: 8,980. Los Angeles: 5,295. Chicago: 3,350. San Francisco: 2,925. Washington, D.C.: 2,7851 Okay, who likes Trump on this list? This is where the super donors live that every Democrat needs to win an election, but Bernie Sanders. Bern had the greatest grassroots support in recent history. Ultra High Net worth = UHNW. Even many liberals are not excited about Biden. The country needed a Tulsi Gabbard. If Joe picked Tulsi, he, though he is a lame duck, would garner more support from Libertarians and Republicans. But what did DNC do, labelled her a tool of Russia, because she is against war. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, yellowboat said: Cancelling me does not make your argument that much more credible. What makes you so clued in? Here are the five U.S. cities with the most UHNW individuals: New York City: 8,980. Los Angeles: 5,295. Chicago: 3,350. San Francisco: 2,925. Washington, D.C.: 2,7851 Okay, who likes Trump on this list? This is where the super donors live that every Democrat needs to win an election, but Bernie Sanders. Bern had the greatest grassroots support in recent history. Ultra High Net worth = UHNW. Even many liberals are not excited about Biden. The country needed a Tulsi Gabbard. If Joe picked Tulsi, he, though he is a lame duck, would garner more support from Libertarians and Republicans. But what did DNC do, labelled her a tool of Russia, because she is against war. Harris a tool of russia while the Trump campaign is in cohorts with putin. Please stop with this nonsense. True, many liberals are not exited about Biden because he is too centrist. He is getting plenty of Republican support, Harris was needed for the more liberal wing of the Democrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaan sailor Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, yellowboat said: Even many liberals are not excited about Biden. The country needed a Tulsi Gabbard. If Joe picked Tulsi, he, though he is a lame duck, would garner more support from Libertarians and Republicans. But what did DNC do, labelled her a tool of Russia, because she is against war. Yup, if Tulsi Gabbard got on the ticket, they’d win handily. Even I would vote for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 52 minutes ago, Fex Bluse said: Not nearly as bad as Joe. 77 is simply too old to run any country. There should be upper age limits We could argue about who's worse. I feel that adding Trump's style and lies it's no contest. Biden's gaffs are mostly harmless, and what's more he is usually able to accept them and even laugh about it. Trump and his fans need to stand behind each and every 'covfefe'. As for the age thing, assuming he is reelected and survives his second term, Trump would hit 77 as well. What was your point again? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said: Yup, if Tulsi Gabbard got on the ticket, they’d win handily. Even I would vote for them. I don't know that the off-chance to win some swing voter, moderate Republican and independent votes is worthwhile vs. securing Democrat votes. Gabbard was not popular, to put it mildly. And also, given posting history, kinda doubt you'd actually vote Democrat even if she was on the ticket. Not aware of any figures supporting your take, by the way. Edited September 14, 2020 by Morch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redline Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Fex Bluse said: Not nearly as bad as Joe. 77 is simply too old to run any country. There should be upper age limits Fortunately, Biden isn’t a pathological lier 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowboat Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 3 hours ago, stevenl said: Harris a tool of russia while the Trump campaign is in cohorts with putin. Please stop with this nonsense. True, many liberals are not exited about Biden because he is too centrist. He is getting plenty of Republican support, Harris was needed for the more liberal wing of the Democrats. Harris got her back side handed to her by Tulsi. Harris was never accused of being a tool of Russia. Trump's collaboration with Russia to win the presidency has yet to be proven. Harris a liberal? How? "In 2010, she opposed Proposition 19, a state initiative to legalize and tax marijuana for adults over 21," Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajarTheLion Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 With regards to the $100 million, another way of looking at is that Bloomberg thinks Biden needs $100 million worth of help in Florida. As I have seen no boat parades or hundreds of Latinos in cars supporting Biden, who knows, maybe Biden really does need that much help. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 minute ago, MajarTheLion said: With regards to the $100 million, another way of looking at is that Bloomberg thinks Biden needs $100 million worth of help in Florida. As I have seen no boat parades or hundreds of Latinos in cars supporting Biden, who knows, maybe Biden really does need that much help. I have seen boat parades in texas in support of trump. Didn't look well, all those stranded and sunk ships. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajarTheLion Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Redline said: Fortunately, Biden isn’t a pathological lier Opinions vary. Here is one that lays out an alternate opinion and examples as to why: https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/499065-lies-damned-lies-and-the-truth-about-joe-biden More recently, Joe Biden was caught lying about his position on banning fracking: https://www.wibc.com/blogs/tony-katz/busted-biden-caught-on-tape-lying-about-fracking-ban/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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