1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

No, there are a bunch of violent , destructive extremist thugs on the street , attacking whomever these choose , 

just  like the antifa thugs  then

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

I have seen regular violence on the streets from antifa/BLM and in various Countries , many cities in the USA/UK have faced violence and looting from the antifa/BLM mob .

  I do not recall one instance of the Proud boys acting likewise 

Complete nonsense. Antifa are a dog whistle for the far right. They are a relatively small group of disorganised Anarchists who have a variety of different beliefs but are united by the desire for less central government control, ironically similar to the US vigilantes. They have committed very few acts of violence in the US and elsewhere. Even the FBI have stated that they can find no evidence of any involvement in the BLM riots. An urban myth created by Trump and other far right activists.

4 minutes ago, Eindhoven said:

 

 

Are the Proud Boys oppressed in any way? Equality feels like discrimination to a racist.

In what way are antifa "oppressed" ?

13 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

that all men are born equal

already sexist  in that statement  alone

Just now, CorpusChristie said:

In what way are antifa "oppressed" ?

Antifa have no part in this conversation. Away with your far right dog whistles.

10 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

I have seen regular violence on the streets from antifa/BLM and in various Countries , many cities in the USA/UK have faced violence and looting from the antifa/BLM mob .

  I do not recall one instance of the Proud boys acting likewise 

Biden has condemned the violence, no matter who does it. Trump refuses to condemn white supremists.

 

Thats why he was asked to do so. But again refused, and made matters worse.

4 minutes ago, PremiumLane said:

The proud boys are literally far-right neo-Nazis

Only claimed by antifa people .

The Proud boys themselves arent far right , it says so on their website

6 minutes ago, polpott said:

Antifa have no part in this conversation. Away with your far right dog whistles.

Yes, the claim was that they are "oppressed" and thats the reason for their actions and I was asking in which way are they oppressed, because , I dont believe that they are 

Just now, CorpusChristie said:

Only claimed by antifa people .

The Proud boys themselves arent far right , it says so on their website

 

Since you claim to know so much about them, perhaps you can let us know for what it is they stand.

Just now, CorpusChristie said:

Yes, the claim was that they are "oppressed" and thats the reason for their actions and I was asking in which way are they oppressed, because , I dont believe that they are 

 

No, the claim was for BLM. You childishly tried to link them together.

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

Antifa and BLM are the same thing , they have the same beliefs and are united

There is absolutely no link between the two. Even the FBI have said so.

 

BLM= People who are fed up to the back teeth of black people being treated as an inferior race by white people and, in particular, the police. It's now a global movement that unites all opressed black people. Are you saying that sports people who take the knee are members of Antifa. Every football player before every match in the English Premier League take the knee. Most people black or white have seen enough racism, time to end it.

 

Antifa = Less centralised government control.

Just now, Eindhoven said:

 

Since you claim to know so much about them, perhaps you can let us know for what it is they stand.

Don't you have the know how to do a websearch ?

Go to Google, type in "Proud boys" and look at their website .

I did that , so can you 

Just now, CorpusChristie said:

Don't you have the know how to do a websearch ?

Go to Google, type in "Proud boys" and look at their website .

I did that , so can you 

 

No thanks. Since you are speaking for them I'll leave it to you.

4 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Only claimed by antifa people .

The Proud boys themselves arent far right , it says so on their website

 

So because they say so we must take their word for it? Like Trump saying that he is not a racist?

As I wrote earlier, come back when you are serious.

Just now, polpott said:

There is absolutely no link between the two. Even the FBI have said so.

 

BLM= People who are fed up to the back teeth of black people being treated as an inferior race by white people and, in particular, the police. It's now a global movement that unites all opressed black people. Are you saying that sports people who take the knee are members of Antifa. Every football player before every match in the English Premier League take the knee. Most people black or white have seen enough racism, time to end it.

 

Antifa = Less centralised government control.

That was BEFORE BLM revealed what they are all about .

Since the BLM have reveled themselves to be marxist , anti capitalist , anti police , anti semites , many people have distanced themselves from the group  

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Don't you have the know how to do a websearch ?

Go to Google, type in "Proud boys" and look at their website .

I did that , so can you 

OK, I took your advice.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

 

"The Proud Boys is a far-right and neo-fascist organization that admits only men as members and promotes and engages in political violence."

 

I supposer you are going to tell me that Wikipedia is part of Antifa now? 555

22 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

That was BEFORE BLM revealed what they are all about .

Since the BLM have reveled themselves to be marxist , anti capitalist , anti police , anti semites , many people have distanced themselves from the group  

From what I see some people distance themselves from BLM because sometimes their arguments lack a bit of subtlety or nuance in relation to things like Defunding the Police and cases like the Breonna Taylor case.

Some may see them as a bit antipolice but that's a simplistic and not accurate view of things. The other descriptors you have made above are way over the top. 

25 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Only claimed by antifa people .

The Proud boys themselves arent far right , it says so on their website

Ok....why did Trump invoke The Proud Boys when asked to denounce white supremacist if Trump himself does not associate them with White Supremacy....Trump did not denounce White Supremist but instead obviously gave The Proud Boys their marching orders to "stand by"? Why did The Proud Boys even come out of his mouth when asked about White Supremist? And why cant Trump denounce White Supremacy?

2 minutes ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

Ok....why did Trump invoke The Proud Boys when asked to denounce white supremacist if Trump himself does not associate them with White Supremacy....Trump did not denounce White Supremist but instead obviously gave The Proud Boys their marching orders to "stand by"? Why did The Proud Boys even come out of his mouth when asked about White Supremist? And why cant Trump denounce White Supremacy?

In his defense, Biden mentioned proud boys first, as an example of white supremacists.

2 hours ago, PatOngo said:

I've just watched the debate, Trump was an absolute disgrace, Biden won, hands down!

I did think either of them acquitted themselves even adequately. Biden at least did not speak over trump, as he continued to interrupt and bully and deflect.

The moderator should have been able to turn his microphone off to stop his rudeness.

 

NEWS FLASH: 

Republican power brokers, realising that defeat is imminent, are close to signing up and announcing their next Super Star Presidential candidate for 2024

Ronald McDonald

Interesting the usual Trump supporters/apologists are remarkably quiet on this thread. Perhaps even they can see Trump disgraced the office of President every time he opened his mouth to vent some more invective.

This thread is about trump failing to condemn white supremists. Nit blm or antifa.

 

He is a disgrace.

Trump engaged in gutter behavior, and likely alienated some undecided voters. Biden held his own. Anyone moderating a debate with Trump should have a power button for the mic. Cut him off! 

 

My guess is Biden won and will pick up a few more points from it. Trump looked panicked, lost, abusive and rude. 

 

And why didn't he condemn the extremists? Because he supports them. They are his own. He is a racist. 

Not so sleepy Joe and the clown, part 2 coming soon!

2 hours ago, fishtank said:

A total embarrassment from start to finish.

The man is just an ill mannered pig who just shouts down everyone.

The so called moderator was useless.

I have a great deal of respect for Chris Wallace, I don't think anyone could have done better.  With Trump determined to talk over Joe Biden and not allow him to make any points, and Joe Biden determined to not let that happen, this debate was doomed to be nothing but a shout-fest.

1 hour ago, puck2 said:

Just my idea.

I hope the next moderators show the needed limits, especially to Trump. His unselfish, childish, uncontrolled and ugly behavior would challenge everybody discussing with him. Therefore it's impossible for Biden to be quiet.

 

It was already a farce to select a FOX-moderator. When discussing about corruption in China you wouldn't chose a member of the communist newspaper as moderator.

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There is no way to get Trump to acknowledge limits, which is why I suggested sound-proof booths and mikes turned off unless the candidates are supposed to be speaking.  Nothing else would work.

 

Chris Wallace is one of the few big name journalists at Fox News with integrity.  Trump hates him.   https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54315285

BLM and protesters dislike antifa perhaps even more than Trump. Antifa hijacks legit peaceful protest with violence, shift focus away from systemic racism to "look at the violence in the streets!" If it bleeds it leads. Play right into Trump's hands.

Biden did nail it with "Law and order and justice".

Saying from decades ago: "If you want peace, work for justice"

If there is a second debate, Biden's camp should insist that the moderator have a power button for each mic. If there is an interruption, cut him off. 

 

Trump's people will not allow that, because they know he is incapable of civilized discourse. At that point Biden should announce he is done debating the clown. He will win regardless, and there is little upside for him, in trying to counter Trump's gutter tactics. 

3 hours ago, pegman said:

Oh boy, Trump tells his Hitler Youth Brigade to "standby". 

Hitler Youth? 555