Wife passed away. Visa options?

[DrJack54]

Just now, Orton Rd said:

People moan about corruption in Thailand endlessly on here, then get involved with it when it's in their own interest, and argue it's actually legal. ????

Mainly because it is. 

[jacko45k]

11 hours ago, TaoNow said:

To all those recommending an agent (and there is no such thing as a 'legitimate agent' who helps expats get around the financial requirements of a retirement extension):

 

If you pay Immigration (through an agent or directly) more than the legally-required 1,900 baht to extend your permit to stay based on the reason of retirement because you do not meet the financial requirements -- you are complicit in bribery of a government official.

 

If you want to end corruption in Thailand, then don't enable it.

Yes, we have all had this lecture many many times. I live here because I like to live here and I am not on a crusade to end corruption... in fact, if I were to be overly enthusiastic in this direction I guess I would be chucked out! Don't try to swim upstream.....

[rumak]

22 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

Does he have any children from the marriage. That would be another option for his extension.

If not a extension based upon retirement may be his only option. If he cannot meet the income requirement he could use the combination of income and money in the bank to reach a total of 800k baht.

having children enables one to extend on a "dependents" basis.    once a child is 20 years old that

extension is no longer available.     i know,  it happened to me.  

[ubonjoe]

59 minutes ago, rumak said:

having children enables one to extend on a "dependents" basis.    once a child is 20 years old that

extension is no longer available.     i know,  it happened to me.  

Not according to the clause in the immigration order for the extension. There is no age limit when applying based upon being the parent of a Thai. Just odd immigration offices using the age of 20 incorrectly.

The age of 20 is only used when a child is applying for a extension based upon their parents extension for being a member of their family.

[rumak]

6 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Not according to the clause in the immigration order for the extension. There is no age limit when applying based upon being the parent of a Thai. Just odd immigration offices using the age of 20 incorrectly.

The age of 20 is only used when a child is applying for a extension based upon their parents extension for being a member of their family.

interesting.   For me it was 12 years ago at Chiangmai.   They flat out told me that my child was now 20 and made me change to retirement extension.  

 

[ubonjoe]

27 minutes ago, rumak said:

interesting.   For me it was 12 years ago at Chiangmai.   They flat out told me that my child was now 20 and made me change to retirement extension.  

 

Prior to 2008 you had to be 50 or over to apply for the extension based upon being the parent of a Thai and even then there was no age limit for the child. In 2008 it was the minimum age was removed to allow a person of any age to apply for the extension.

In 2014 this was added to 2.18 of the immigration order which makes it ever clearer there is no age limit for the child.

"In case the father of mother requests to be under maintenance of children, the age of father or mother must be 50 years of age or over."

Would a child under the age of 20 be able support their father or mother?

 

[Max69xl]

17 hours ago, ThaidDown said:

Not always, see my post #13

 

Your example "might" work for the first extension after a wife's death, but no way you will get another 1 year extension based on marriage when your wife died a year or longer ago. Then you have to change the reason for the extension. That's imo reasonable. 

[Max69xl]

13 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

They only have a heart when they are paid

Please tell me why they need to have a heart when you don't meet the requirement of being married anymore (if your wife died)? Your extension won't be cancelled as far as I know and next time you apply for a 1 year extension you have to change the reason. If your wife died 1 month prior to the 1 year extension, that would be another story, and in those cases the immigration office might show some leniency. 

[ThaidDown]

24 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

Your example "might" work for the first extension after a wife's death, but no way you will get another 1 year extension based on marriage when your wife died a year or longer ago. Then you have to change the reason for the extension. That's imo reasonable. 

You are just guessing,  The first extension after the wifes death was for 'Retirement'  (as I stated in my original post #13) with an okayed reduction in income requirements. He has subsequently obtained two further one year extensions since then under the same conditions, the latest approx 3 months ago.

[4evermaat]

13 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

For someone with many posts you are very naive. Your post will attract many laughs.

Fact is that agents are not "secret agents" lurking around immigration offices. Most are registered companies with offices that resemble tour offices. 

Along with their websites, Facebook etc and some on Thaivisa. Did you arrive yesterday?

 

Agreed.  I know of an immigration office that has a satellite law firm office directly across the street from the immigration office.  (The ultimate soft advertisement).  The same law office will also issue receipts that actually say what you are getting with the fee amount:  Non-O Visa 1 year.

 

Is that legitimate enough for you?

 

 

 

Edited October 11, 2020 by 4evermaat

[billd766]

14 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

For someone with many posts you are very naive. Your post will attract many laughs.

Fact is that agents are not "secret agents" lurking around immigration offices. Most are registered companies with offices that resemble tour offices. 

Along with their websites, Facebook etc and some on Thaivisa. Did you arrive yesterday?

You could look at his profile, and then realise that he has been a member of TVF for over 10 years, which is a lot longer than your 3 years.

[DrJack54]

2 minutes ago, billd766 said:

You could look at his profile, and then realise that he has been a member of TVF for over 10 years, which is a lot longer than your 3 years.

This is what he posted 

"I thought that Thai Visa is not allowed to post illegal practices."

 I don't need to look at how long he has been on TVF. 

Anyone would know that visa services are advertised on TVF. In face a well know one in Bangkok is a sponsor of Thaivisa.

Situation outlined in the OP and subsequently is that the fella in question does NOT have the money in bank or income to obtain extension based on retirement. I suggested an agent along with few other folk. He already has the non O in place. The agents can obtain the extension.

And as for your suggestion?

[billd766]

4 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

This is what he posted 

"I thought that Thai Visa is not allowed to post illegal practices."

 I don't need to look at how long he has been on TVF. 

Anyone would know that visa services are advertised on TVF. In face a well know one in Bangkok is a sponsor of Thaivisa.

Situation outlined in the OP and subsequently is that the fella in question does NOT have the money in bank or income to obtain extension based on retirement. I suggested an agent along with few other folk. He already has the non O in place. The agents can obtain the extension.

And as for your suggestion?

I have no idea if visa agents are available or not, simply because I don't live in BKK or other places such as CM. CR, Pattaya, Phuket etc.

 

In all my 20 odd years around Thailand I have never needed to use one. Not in BKK, Mae Sot, Nakhon Sawan or Kamphaeng Phet. I have managed to do it all on my own, as many people do.

[DrJack54]

5 hours ago, billd766 said:

which is a lot longer than your 3 years.

I would work out in 3 hours how agent system works in Thailand. Not complicated.

BTW, I have never required an agent. 

However back to the OP. The OP asked for way to continue his life living in Thailand.

He does not have the financials. Sadly his wife has recently passed.

So provide advice for him. That would be a positive post. It will not be forth coming.

[DrJack54]

Just now, billd766 said:

I have managed to do it all on my own, as many people do

Yippi. 

So have I along with many others. I don't want a badge. I want to assist this guy that presently cannot meet the financials.

End of. 

[Scott]

Troll post reported and removed. 

 

[jwest10]

On 10/10/2020 at 10:40 AM, ubonjoe said:

It is only changing the reason for his extension from marriage to retirement. Only his passport to prove he is 50 or over and meeting the financial requirement to do it.

I cannot think of any other options for him.

Hi  Ubonjoe
A friend of mine had exactly the same thing and yes he was near the extension date and allowed a further year extension based on marriage.
It depends on the Immigration Office, I guess.
On another slightly different topic if one has grandchildren and indeed look after their upbringing  including school fees and the lot and would continue to do so. 
What are the options or are there any apart from by way of Extension of stay based on retirement.
Yes we all know the financial rules but so many are in exactly the same boat. 
 

[holy cow cm]

On 10/11/2020 at 8:56 AM, ubonjoe said:

"In case the father of mother requests to be under maintenance of children, the age of father or mother must be 50 years of age or over."

Would a child under the age of 20 be able support their father or mother?

I just did a renewal in CM last month for Father of children. They looked at it for the age and what University and school they both are currently enrolled at and attending. I really get the feeling that 20 is the cut off or until University is finished for the Thai child to be a dependent. 22 years tops and not married.

 

I know you have stated many time to me that there is no age limit of the child, but what you are stating is the shoe turns to the other foot and then the son or daughter becomes the supporter and the father or mother becomes the dependent.

 

1. Has this ever been successfully done other than being on the books? CM mainly?

2. Isn't it stated that the son or daughter would have to live with his mom or dad at the registered household or it will not be approved?

3. Doesn't the son or daughter have to have supportive documents saying the he or she makes over 40,000 Thai baht per month to qualify to take care of dear old foreigner mom or dad?

 

I think there are some very wide grey lines of what they will accept. My thing is the switch to either or being: Marriage but hopefully she outlives me, or 2nd I become a dependent, but this I have never ever seen posted as done. I do not ever want to do retirement unless forced to do.

 

I still have about 5 years to go with my daughter becoming 22 and out of University, but the time goes so fast now we are getting older.

Edited October 12, 2020 by holy cow cm

[ubonjoe]

1 hour ago, holy cow cm said:

1. Has this ever been successfully done other than being on the books? CM mainly?

2. Isn't it stated that the son or daughter would have to live with his mom or dad at the registered household or it will not be approved?

3. Doesn't the son or daughter have to have supportive documents saying the he or she makes over 40,000 Thai baht per month to qualify to take care of dear old foreigner mom or dad?

.1. I not aware of one being done to be under the maintenance of their child. But that is not to say it has not been done. I suspect most people are not even aware it is possible.

2. I don't think that would be required. But in many case that might part of the maintenance. I think one of the reasons for that line is due to it not being uncommon here for a parent to be living with their children them living in the family home with their parent.

3. Not that am aware of.

There are always grey areas since the rules cannot cover every possibility.

There is also this line in clause 2.18 (5).

"For other necessary cases, the Commissioner or Deputy Commissioner of Immigration Bureau is granted the authority to make decisions regarding approval on a case-by-case basis."

[Kalasin Jo]

This is  an example of how Thailand does not welcome long stay foreigners committed to the country with Thai spouses, children even grandchildren and who have been living in Thailand for perhaps decades.

 

Put simply for all but the very wealthy we are forever on temporary stay of no more than 1 year and have to jump through Immigration hoops every year to extend by just another year. 

 

Isn't it time Thailand offered permanent residency status, as EU countries do, after say 5 consecutive years of successful hoop jumping? Isn't it time that Thailand also offered means tested contributory state healthcare for those with " long stay" permissions as EU countries do? 

 

If Thailand really wants to be seen as a 1st World country, that is

[jwest10]

18 hours ago, Kalasin Jo said:

This is  an example of how Thailand does not welcome long stay foreigners committed to the country with Thai spouses, children even grandchildren and who have been living in Thailand for perhaps decades.

 

Put simply for all but the very wealthy we are forever on temporary stay of no more than 1 year and have to jump through Immigration hoops every year to extend by just another year. 

 

Isn't it time Thailand offered permanent residency status, as EU countries do, after say 5 consecutive years of successful hoop jumping? Isn't it time that Thailand also offered means tested contributory state healthcare for those with " long stay" permissions as EU countries do? 

 

If Thailand really wants to be seen as a 1st World country, that is

Kalasin Jo   5000 percent right and I posted something similar a few posts back
It does not take in to consideration on buying houses for them and yes bringing up Thai blood parents children and I must add we do it because we love them.
But we know the laws and some make us a maximum of a year but look at the laws in other countries ie Covit in the UK absolutely stunning and other laws as well