EU summit to say Brexit progress "still not sufficient"

[nauseus]

5 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

My questions were a direct response to 

Hopeless for you because yet again you have dug a self contradictory hole for yourself!

Oh no I haven't. You must be imagining things. Mind them holes. 

Edited October 16, 2020 by nauseus

[7by7]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

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If Barnier ends up with No Deal that's a massive failure on his part.

As equal, if not bigger, failure for Johnson. For all his bluster he knows that we need a deal with our largest trading partner.  He needs it as well. Not only will no deal be a disaster for this country, it will be f the end of his political career. The Tory grandees and financiers have too much to lose from no deal.

[7by7]

14 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Hardy a throwaway line and the EU have not challenged it. Well remainers won't take it seriously, will they?

 

The rest of your post flows off topic and down to the sea as usual. Plop!

 Translation; I've tried to defend Johnson's massive lie and failed, so now I'll try denying it with childish comments about sewerage.

 

[7by7]

9 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Oh no I haven't. You must be imagining things. Mind them holes. 

[nauseus]

15 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

As equal, if not bigger, failure for Johnson. For all his bluster he knows that we need a deal with our largest trading partner.  He needs it as well. Not only will no deal be a disaster for this country, it will be f the end of his political career. The Tory grandees and financiers have too much to lose from no deal.

That's a new outlook from a remainer,  I thought the Tories were all going to make a killing with a NDB?

[nauseus]

12 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Been to most of the above. So what?

[nauseus]

18 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

As equal, if not bigger, failure for Johnson. For all his bluster he knows that we need a deal with our largest trading partner.  He needs it as well. Not only will no deal be a disaster for this country, it will be f the end of his political career. The Tory grandees and financiers have too much to lose from no deal.

A bigger failure for Barnier, who has been leading the EU charge from the off. The poor old nag is tiring now.

[RayC]

6 hours ago, nauseus said:

Maybe. In any event the EU were due for a return dose.

Ah.. the old two wrongs do make a right argument.

[Rookiescot]

9 minutes ago, nauseus said:

A bigger failure for Barnier, who has been leading the EU charge from the off. The poor old nag is tiring now.

Surely it no longer matters. We must have ended the negotiations by now because yesterday was Johnsons deadline.

[RayC]

13 minutes ago, nauseus said:

A bigger failure for Barnier, who has been leading the EU charge from the off. The poor old nag is tiring now.

Why? Surely the maxim, 'No deal is better than a bad deal' applies equally to both sides?

[nauseus]

8 minutes ago, RayC said:

Ah.. the old two wrongs do make a right argument.

I think several from the EU side.

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Surely it no longer matters. We must have ended the negotiations by now because yesterday was Johnsons deadline.

Nothing at all to do with my comment.

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

Why? Surely the maxim, 'No deal is better than a bad deal' applies equally to both sides?

Another irrelevant response. Great.

[Rookiescot]

Just now, nauseus said:

Nothing at all to do with my comment.

Yes it is. You are claiming Barnier is tired but he can rest now that the negotiations are finish?

They are finished aren't they?

Yesterday was Johnsons deadline.

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Yes it is. You are claiming Barnier is tired but he can rest now that the negotiations are finish?

They are finished aren't they?

Yesterday was Johnsons deadline.

I said that if there is no deal, then it is a bigger failure for Barnier because he has been directly involved throughout.  

[Rookiescot]

7 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I said that if there is no deal, then it is a bigger failure for Barnier because he has been directly involved throughout.  

You said he was tiring. My point is because Johnson has cut off further negotiations because of his deadline he will be able to get some rest now.

The negotiations have been cut off haven't they? After all Johnson set that deadline. 

[Loiner]

Barnier has failed totally. An EU negotiator coming home with out a deal is a failure.

 

He says he wants a deal, but not at any price. Not at any price?? So what is the point of any discussions. Sounds like he wants capitulation from Boris, which he isn't getting. He expects getting the equivalent engagement from the UK, which means Frost is not backing down either.

Roll on No Deal.

 

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Barnier has failed totally. An EU negotiator coming home with out a deal is a failure.

 

He says he wants a deal, but not at any price. Not at any price?? So what is the point of any discussions. Sounds like he wants capitulation from Boris, which he isn't getting. He expects getting the equivalent engagement from the UK, which means Frost is not backing down either.

Roll on No Deal.

 

 

So why is Johnson allowing the negotiations to continue?

Yesterday was his deadline. Why has he not enforced it?

After all he said he was happy with no deal. 

[vogie]

5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

So why is Johnson allowing the negotiations to continue?

Yesterday was his deadline. Why has he not enforced it?

After all he said he was happy with no deal. 

Do you honestly think that after 4 years of remainer underhandedness that a few weeks will make a monumental difference, I know that there are quite a few remainers on here that would sooner throw mud at Boris than support him in his endeavour to reach a deal, shame on them.

[Loiner]

6 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

So why is Johnson allowing the negotiations to continue?

Yesterday was his deadline. Why has he not enforced it?

After all he said he was happy with no deal. 

Last chance for Barnier. Well, they've paid for their tickets and it would be rude to send them straight home.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1348500/brexit-news-boris-johnson-trade-talks-uk-eu-lord-frost-michel-barnier-eu-summit

 

[RayC]

45 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I think several from the EU side.

I would (should) say 'Care to give some examples?', but we've (Remainers/ Brexiters) been down this road so many times before - you cite something; I refute it; you refute my rebuttal; etc etc - it will be a waste of our time. Let's nip it in the bud.

[RayC]

54 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Another irrelevant response. Great.

It's only irrelevant because you've realised that you cannot justify your opinion that a 'No deal' is a bigger failure for Barnier than the UK side. He's been involved from the start. So what?

Edited October 16, 2020 by RayC
Clarification.

[Rookiescot]

23 minutes ago, vogie said:

Do you honestly think that after 4 years of remainer underhandedness that a few weeks will make a monumental difference, I know that there are quite a few remainers on here that would sooner throw mud at Boris than support him in his endeavour to reach a deal, shame on them.

But a deadline is a deadline surely? 

Any man of substance and character would stick to his word. After all he is happy with no deal. As are you Brexiteers.

[Rookiescot]

24 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Last chance for Barnier. Well, they've paid for their tickets and it would be rude to send them straight home.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1348500/brexit-news-boris-johnson-trade-talks-uk-eu-lord-frost-michel-barnier-eu-summit

 

 

Johnson is a man of integrity and honor. He should surely stick by his promise and end negotiations. 

Surely that is what he has done.

Wait. What? No!

Say it isn't so.

Johnson has backed down on his deadline!

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

But a deadline is a deadline surely? 

Any man of substance and character would stick to his word. After all he is happy with no deal. As are you Brexiteers.

You may not have long to wait, Boris and Frosty have done everything possible with these EU chancers.

[nauseus]

13 minutes ago, RayC said:

I would (should) say 'Care to give some examples?', but we've (Remainers/ Brexiters) been down this road so many times before - you cite something; I refute it; you refute my rebuttal; etc etc - it will be a waste of our time. Let's nip it in the bud.

Thanks for not asking! I need sustenance now anyway.

[RayC]

27 minutes ago, vogie said:

Do you honestly think that after 4 years of remainer underhandedness that a few weeks will make a monumental difference, I know that there are quite a few remainers on here that would sooner throw mud at Boris than support him in his endeavour to reach a deal, shame on them.

Oh please ..... faux outrage... Ok, I'll play along ... And shame on you for continuing to support an opportunist, who is so clearly out of his depth when it comes to leading the country. You should be calling on him to do the right thing and resign, and for the Tories to replace him with someone more able.

[Loiner]

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Johnson is a man of integrity and honor. He should surely stick by his promise and end negotiations. 

Surely that is what he has done.

Wait. What? No!

Say it isn't so.

Johnson has backed down on his deadline!

You have not done much negotiating have you?

 

[RayC]

32 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Last chance for Barnier. Well, they've paid for their tickets and it would be rude to send them straight home.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1348500/brexit-news-boris-johnson-trade-talks-uk-eu-lord-frost-michel-barnier-eu-summit

 

Ahh.. today's Express. I was wondering when that would be along.

[david555]

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Brinkmanship on both sides. I don't think No Deal is a poor result for the UK. Not as good as a fair and comprehensive FTA, but much better than what the EU is proposing.

 

If Barnier ends up with No Deal that's a massive failure on his part. Especially for Europhiles who think he holds all the cards. For those holding that opinion (I don't), it must seem like having a Royal Flush and a wallet full of cash and your opponent simply folds and walks away before placing a bet. What a waste.

EU.  Shall never see Barnier as a failure ...

As he stand strong ground not selling out the principsls of the E.U. union to "the  Rules the waves Brexiteers " ✌ ....and i express specially here to use the brexiteers name , as i feel sorry for the 48 % remainers .

 

A leaving group can never have the benefits as before as a member ...4 years told ...endlessly????