Biden blasts Trump as U.S. COVID-19 cases mount and Pence staff endures outbreak

[Thomas J]

44 minutes ago, candide said:

The second wave is occurring because young people did not respect distancing and masks guidelines.

Candide,

 

Oh and which source did you get this from. Other than the GOOTA method.  Grabbed Out Of The Air. 

[Thomas J]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

What don't you understand about comparing like for like. Denmark, Finland and Norway are the countries that resemble sweden the most. How does their rate of infections compare? How do their containment measures compare?

StevenL

So now it is geography that is the determining factor in Covid?  I thought your position was that it was Masks, Quarantines, and Social Distancing that impacted covid infection rates.  

PS the distance from Sweden to The distance between Sweden and Finland is 723 km.   Distance from Belgium to Sweden is 1,697 kilometers.   The distance from Sweden to the UK is 1,409  Kilometers.  

me other reason why those countries notably Belgium has explosive covid rates despite all their lockdowns, masks, and quarantines or are you trying to shovel the BS that somehow the coronavirus accelerates once it gets past 1,000 kilometres from Sweden?  Nothing to do with Scandanavian region. 

 

Countries with hot humid climates and young populations are for the most part low Covid infection rates.  Those with older populations and more densely populated have higher covid infection rates and the use of masks, quarantines, and social distancing have not shown in the figures to markedly impact that.  If they did, Italy, Spain, Portugal, the UK, Switzerland, and France would all have low covid rates. 

Instead, these are the lowest countries.  Despite them not all of them  being next to each other they do share in common hot temperatures and young average populations.  Vietnam has a Median age of only 30.5 and in Laos only 24.4.  

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?#countries

 

 

 

Edited November 3, 2020 by Thomas J

[stevenl]

13 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

<snip>The distance between Sweden and Finland is 723 km. <snip>

 

It really depends on where in Sweden and Finland you are. Geography not your strong suit? I never claimed geography is the determining factor.

 

Many factors are contributing btw.

Edited November 3, 2020 by stevenl

[Thomas J]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

<snip>The distance between Sweden and Finland is 723 km. <snip>

It really depends on where in Sweden and Finland you are. Geography not your strong suit?

StevenL

 

I get my information from the internet,  unlike you who pull theories out of your head. 

I did exactly the same thing with the UK and Belgium.  Again are you trying to shovel the <deleted> that somehow distance from Sweden determines the strength of the Coronavirus.  You still have not, and it is because you can't explain why those countries in Europe that have strict lockdowns, quarantines, and mask requirements have higher covid infection rates than Sweden that has no such mandate.  Using Finland, and Denmark and ignoring the remainder of Europe is a false counter argument unless somehow you believe there is a magic zone around Sweden that extends in a circle that envelopes Finland and Denmark but then weakens once it gets to Belgium and the UK. 

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1 minute ago, Thomas J said:

StevenL

 

So now it is geography that is the determining factor in Covid?  I thought your position was that it was Masks, Quarantines, and Social Distancing that impacted covid infection rates.  

PS the distance from Sweden to The distance between Sweden and Finland is 723 km.   Distance from Belgium to Sweden is 1,697 kilometers.   The distance from Sweden to the UK is 1,409  Kilometers.  You want to try and conjure up some other reason why those countries notably Belgium has explosive covid rates despite all the lock down, or are you trying to shovel the BS that somehow the coronavirus accelerates once it gets past 1,000 kilometres from Sweden?  Nothing to do with Scandanavian region.  Countries with hot humid climates and young populations are for the most part low Covid infection rates.  Those with older populations and more densely populated have higher covid infection rates and the use of masks, quarantines, and social distancing have not shown in the figures to markedly impact that.  If they did, Italy, Spain, Portugal, the UK, Switzerland, and France would all have low covid rates. 

As for your claims about tropical countries...  

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?#countries

 

What utter nonsense. When trying to determine why there's a difference in populations, it's an essential part of epidemioloyg  to compare populations whose situations are as similar as possible. These 3 nations are all economically developed, have well developed public health systems, and share a similar climate. And just as crucially, they share very long borders. So what is it that accounts for the dramatic difference?

And these 3 nations are nowhere nearly so densely populated as Belgium or the Netherlands and they are not exactly a center of cross-European trade the way Belgium and the Netherlands are.

 

As for your claims about tropical countries with young populations. Taiwan doesn't have a particularly young population but it took drastic measures very early. As did Vietnam. Very low incidence of Covid in those 2 nations. Tropical countries that didn't take strong measures like those in Latin America and Africa didn't fare nearly so well.

 

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1 minute ago, Thomas J said:

StevenL

 

I get my information from the internet,  unlike you who pull theories out of your head. 

I did exactly the same thing with the UK and Belgium.  Again are you trying to shovel the <deleted> that somehow distance from Sweden determines the strength of the Coronavirus.  You still have not, and it is because you can't explain why those countries in Europe that have strict lockdowns, quarantines, and mask requirements have higher covid infection rates than Sweden that has no such mandate.  Using Finland, and Denmark and ignoring the remainder of Europe is a false counter argument unless somehow you believe there is a magic zone around Sweden that extends in a circle that envelopes Finland and Denmark but then weakens once it gets to Belgium and the UK. 

Are you willfully understand all this? It's not a matter of distance from Sweden or Norway or Finland, it's a matter of difference from Sweden or Norway or Finland.

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9 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

StevenL

 

I get my information from the internet,  unlike you who pull theories out of your head. 

I did exactly the same thing with the UK and Belgium.  Again are you trying to shovel the <deleted> that somehow distance from Sweden determines the strength of the Coronavirus.  You still have not, and it is because you can't explain why those countries in Europe that have strict lockdowns, quarantines, and mask requirements have higher covid infection rates than Sweden that has no such mandate.  Using Finland, and Denmark and ignoring the remainder of Europe is a false counter argument unless somehow you believe there is a magic zone around Sweden that extends in a circle that envelopes Finland and Denmark but then weakens once it gets to Belgium and the UK. 

Covid-19: Comparing Sweden’s response with the UK’s is “misleading,” experts argue

In a briefing paper published on 25 September, Independent SAGE noted that Sweden is often used as an example of a country where a population immunity strategy is working, without lockdowns.

But the paper argues, firstly, that it is a misconception that Sweden has no restrictions or lockdown and, secondly, that assertions that the country’s strategy is successful are “far from clear.”

The report noted the differing social conditions between the UK and Nordic countries, which have a high standard of living, less labour market insecurity, and higher levels of trust

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1189068-biden-blasts-trump-as-us-covid-19-cases-mount-and-pence-staff-endures-outbreak/page/11/#comments

[Thomas J]

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

As for your claims about tropical countries with young populations. Taiwan doesn't have a particularly young population but it took drastic measures very early.

Placeholder, 

I said that if you look those countries with low Covid rates had similarities,  They are hot humid countries with young populations.  Taiwan yes is THE ONE COUNTRY that has an older population.  That does not preclude it from being hot.  One might seeing the disparity might also question if Taiwan not unlike China manipulates it data to reflect on itself favorable.  I know this will come as a shock to you but all of the numbers posted by the various countries are not without the bias of whatever government is reporting them, and of course the number of tests given.  If you look other than Taiwan all of them have incredibly young median ages. 


  If yo
 

[stevenl]

19 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Placeholder, 

I said that if you look those countries with low Covid rates had similarities,  They are hot humid countries with young populations.  Taiwan yes is THE ONE COUNTRY that has an older population.  That does not preclude it from being hot.  One might seeing the disparity might also question if Taiwan not unlike China manipulates it data to reflect on itself favorable.  I know this will come as a shock to you but all of the numbers posted by the various countries are not without the bias of whatever government is reporting them, and of course the number of tests given.  If you look other than Taiwan all of them have incredibly young median ages. 


  If yo
 

See more applicable states here, just think you'll ignore them since they don't fit your narrative.

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1189973-with-election-looming-us-faces-record-surge-of-coronavirus-cases/page/10/#comments

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48 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Placeholder, 

I said that if you look those countries with low Covid rates had similarities,  They are hot humid countries with young populations.  Taiwan yes is THE ONE COUNTRY that has an older population.  That does not preclude it from being hot.  One might seeing the disparity might also question if Taiwan not unlike China manipulates it data to reflect on itself favorable.  I know this will come as a shock to you but all of the numbers posted by the various countries are not without the bias of whatever government is reporting them, and of course the number of tests given.  If you look other than Taiwan all of them have incredibly young median ages. 


  If yo
 

But you're cherry picking. And disregarding the fact that Vietnam with one of the very lowest rates, also was extremely strict and proactive in battling Covid19. The same goes for Taiwan. And what about South America? Does Brazil ring any bells? You know. The largest nation in South American where most of the Amazon is found.  Or Ecuador? Colombia? Peru? These nations were also hit hard.

[candide]

1 hour ago, Thomas J said:

Candide,

 

Oh and which source did you get this from. Other than the GOOTA method.  Grabbed Out Of The Air. 

Health authorities and health specialists.

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-54056771

https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-10-24/Germany-joins-rest-of-Europe-in-COVID-19-second-wave-battle-UPlZdlKDM4/index.html

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18630984.coronavirus-young-people-driving-second-wave/

[Thomas J]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

But you're cherry picking.

Placeholder that is not cherry picking.  I took the list in order.  

See the numbers on the left side.  THIS IS EXACTLY HOW THEY ARE ON world o meters

Above them were  2 cruise ships so these are the countries Number 3 through  11 with the lowest incidence of Covid. That is not cherry picking. 

 

[Thomas J]

Placeholder

Candide
StevenL

If masks work so well, lets move away from Sweden and go to a single country the USA. 

Here are the states with the highest covid infection rates and the 5 with the lowest covid rates.  Note, there is no pattern  Which is identical to what Sweden is showing.  The only thing that "seems" to jump out is the states with the highest rates are moderate to cool temperature states while the low rates are all warm weather states. https://covidactnow.org/?s=1273304

Again, common sense tells you that if masks were effective those states with mandatory mandates would have lower rates than those with no mask mandate.  THEY DON'T 

 

 

 

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[placeholder]

10 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Placeholder that is not cherry picking.  I took the list in order.  

See the numbers on the left side.  THIS IS EXACTLY HOW THEY ARE ON world o meters

Above them were  2 cruise ships so these are the countries Number 3 through  11 with the lowest incidence of Covid. That is not cherry picking. 

 

This is your idea of a comprehensive statistically valid list? Does it include all, nearly all, or just a few of the tropical nations with.

 

5 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Placeholder

Candide
StevenL

If masks work so well, lets move away from Sweden and go to a single country the USA. 

Here are the states with the highest covid infection rates and the 5 with the lowest covid rates.  Note, there is no pattern  Which is identical to what Sweden is showing.  The only thing that "seems" to jump out is the states with the highest rates are moderate to cool temperature states while the low rates are all warm weather states. https://covidactnow.org/?s=1273304

Again, common sense tells you that if masks were effective those states with mandatory mandates would have lower rates than those with no mask mandate.  THEY DON'T 

 

 

 

h 
 

Thanks for not providing a link to the source.. And it's just a snapshot. I think. god knows what it means.

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11 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Placeholder

Candide
StevenL

If masks work so well, lets move away from Sweden and go to a single country the USA. 

Here are the states with the highest covid infection rates and the 5 with the lowest covid rates.  Note, there is no pattern  Which is identical to what Sweden is showing.  The only thing that "seems" to jump out is the states with the highest rates are moderate to cool temperature states while the low rates are all warm weather states. https://covidactnow.org/?s=1273304

Again, common sense tells you that if masks were effective those states with mandatory mandates would have lower rates than those with no mask mandate.  THEY DON'T 

 

 

 

h 
 

And of course we've seen what has happened in NY State where the Hasidic communities barely educated in science and extremely pro trump have experienced much higher rates of Covid19 infection than do any other communities in NY State. They refuse to wear masks or engage in social distancing.

They have also created big problems for Israel with their high rate of infection and illness.

[Thomas J]

11 minutes ago, placeholder said:

This is your idea of a comprehensive statistically valid list? Does it include all, nearly all, or just a few of the tropical nations with.

placeholder, 

How many would you like?  This is the link.  The point being that the countries with the lowest rates of Covid 19 were the ones I listed.  I did not think nor would there be room for all 218 on the list. 

Here is the link.  Go to cornovirus by country, then covid 19 infections per million.  Sort it by low to high.  See as many countries as you want. 

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/



Here are the next 9.  All would be tropical except China and I wouldn't bet a plug nickel on the accuracy of their reporting. 
 

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1 minute ago, Thomas J said:

placeholder, 

How many would you like?  This is the link.  The point being that the countries with the lowest rates of Covid 19 were the ones I listed.  I did not think nor would there be room for all 218 on the list. 

Here is the link.  Go to cornovirus by country, then covid 19 infections per million.  Sort it by low to high.  See as many countries as you want. 

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/



Here are the next 9.  All would be tropical except China and I wouldn't bet a plug nickel on the accuracy of their reporting. 
 

But you would bet that nickel on impoverished nations with underdeveloped infrastructure? Do you think maybe that's why their numbers look so good? Why the predominate in the lower reaches of the chart? 

 This is why far sounder comparisons are for countries that are economically developed with good reporting systems. Or even better to look at subgroups within the same country to see if their differing behavior tracks significantly with differences in rates of infection, hospitalizations and death. Like those Hasids in New York and Israel.

You just don't seem to get it. The best way to do comparisons is to compare populations where the differences can be controlled for. How can you meaningfully compare the rate of infection in Timor Leste with that of Belgium?