Are Trump's rallies spreading coronavirus? Why it's hard to know the full impact

[Jingthing]

16 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Trump holds everyone who opposes him to the highest of standards, said standards slip a long way down when it comes to himself.

If Americans don't come to their senses on November 3, it's going to get ugly for all of us, non-Americans included. As the saying goes in Australia, he's as reliable as a two-bob watch.

Yes, but if Biden wins (which is much more likely) and 45 doesn't successfully steal it (a possibility) things won't magically get better. A large portion of the 45 fans won't accept a Biden win under any circumstances. Both sides think the other side is evil, and their supporters are evil. So Americans have dehumanized each other in arguably a more severe way than even in the civil war. Many city areas are being boarded up now like a big storm is coming and they don't know who is going to win (or stay in power in 45's case). So Biden's winning could be the beginning of a very long healing process, but only the beginning. 45 staying in power -- no healing -- disaster.

Edited November 2, 2020 by Jingthing

[BritManToo]

Just now, Jingthing said:

Yes, but if Biden wins (which is much more likely) and 45 doesn't successfully steal it (a possibility) things won't magically get better. A large portion of the 45 fans won't accept a Biden win under any circumstances. Both sides think the other wide is evil, and the supporters are evil. So Americans have dehumanized each other in arguably a more severe way than in the civil war. Many city areas are being boarded up now like a big storm is coming and they don't know who is going to win (or stay in power in 45's case). So Biden's winning could be the beginning of a very long healing process, but only the beginning. 45 staying in power -- no healing -- disaster.

What if people think both sides are evil?

[rhodie]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes, but if Biden wins (which is much more likely) and 45 doesn't successfully steal it (a possibility) things won't magically get better. A large portion of the 45 fans won't accept a Biden win under any circumstances. Both sides think the other side is evil, and their supporters are evil. So Americans have dehumanized each other in arguably a more severe way than even in the civil war. Many city areas are being boarded up now like a big storm is coming and they don't know who is going to win (or stay in power in 45's case). So Biden's winning could be the beginning of a very long healing process, but only the beginning. 45 staying in power -- no healing -- disaster.

Pot calling the kettle black. You say Trump supporters won't accept a loss. Pretty much sums up you and every post of yours in the last 4 years. ???? 

 

Edited November 2, 2020 by rhodie

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

What if people think both sides are evil?

Very few Americans think that. But you bring up an important point. America's enemies are totally thrilled that the USA is destroying itself from within with such severe internal divisions, and they will surely take this opportunity to their advantage. 

[Phoenix Rising]

14 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Trump holds everyone who opposes him to the highest of standards, said standards slip a long way down when it comes to himself.

He doesn't have standards, he's a sick caricature of a human being. He's the very opposite of what anyone should aspire to be.

 

Trump Promotes Political Violence In Defense Of Supporters Who Swarmed Biden Bus

 

"President Donald Trump openly promoted people carrying out political violence on his behalf Sunday ― two days before the election ― in comments defending his supporters in Texas who dangerously swarmed a campaign bus for Democratic opponent Joe Biden."

 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, rhodie said:

Pot calling the kettle black. You say Trump supporters won't accept a loss. Pretty much sums up you and every post of yours in the last 4 years. ???? 

 

Total B.S. Stop lying. I accepted that he was legally the president. I didn't like the obvious help he got from Putin. Not the same thing at all as what's about to happen. In other words, a false equivalence. As far as the electoral college, a normal president when he loses the popular vote but still wins works very hard to unify the nation. 45 did the opposite! He made it clear that the blue states are his enemies.

[Dart12]

The whining is going to be epic in 2 days.

[rhodie]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Total B.S. Stop lying. I accepted that he was legally the president. I didn't like the obvious help he got from Putin. Not the same thing at all as what's about to happen. In other words, a false equivalence. As far as the electoral college, a normal president when he loses the popular vote but still wins works very hard to unify the nation. 45 did the opposite! He made it clear that the blue states are his enemies.

Mate, you never accepted it. You bleated on and on for 4 years about how he lost the popular vote. Go back and look at your comments. And yes, he is not a nice person. Most politicians are in it for themselves, but I prefer his stance on China to the others. Everything else is pretty much semantics between the sides. Unfortunately/fortunately he does not sugar coat his words because he is not a politician.

[Lacessit]

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes, but if Biden wins (which is much more likely) and 45 doesn't successfully steal it (a possibility) things won't magically get better. A large portion of the 45 fans won't accept a Biden win under any circumstances. Both sides think the other side is evil, and their supporters are evil. So Americans have dehumanized each other in arguably a more severe way than even in the civil war. Many city areas are being boarded up now like a big storm is coming and they don't know who is going to win (or stay in power in 45's case). So Biden's winning could be the beginning of a very long healing process, but only the beginning. 45 staying in power -- no healing -- disaster.

IMO the rest of the democratic world would much prefer Biden to win, in order to bring back stability to international relations. Putin, Xi and Kim would  prefer Trump, it suits them if he makes a mess of America.

Biden has enunciated his policies quite clearly. Trump's only policy appears to be that of an enraged rottweiler.

[Sujo]

14 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

What if people think both sides are evil?

Thats the US trump has left it.

[Sujo]

3 minutes ago, rhodie said:

Mate, you never accepted it. You bleated on and on for 4 years about how he lost the popular vote. Go back and look at your comments. And yes, he is not a nice person. Most politicians are in it for themselves, but I prefer his stance on China to the others. Everything else is pretty much semantics between the sides. Unfortunately/fortunately he does not sugar coat his words because he is not a politician.

Does not sugar coat his words - liar in chief.

[Sujo]

4 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

IMO the rest of the democratic world would much prefer Biden to win, in order to bring back stability to international relations. Putin, Xi and Kim would  prefer Trump, it suits them if he makes a mess of America.

Biden has enunciated his policies quite clearly. Trump's only policy appears to be that of an enraged rottweiler.

True, he has blasted his allies and got cosy with dictators. Oh dear.

[JensenZ]

12 hours ago, jastheace said:

trump, and of course, his' believers' are immune. probably immortal. 

And you might be right. It's the people hiding in their basements that never develop immunity and remain viable hosts to the virus. You can't stop a pandemic by hiding from it. The virus will be ready to pounce the moment you come out of hiding.

[JensenZ]

28 minutes ago, rhodie said:

Mate, you never accepted it. You bleated on and on for 4 years about how he lost the popular vote. Go back and look at your comments. And yes, he is not a nice person. Most politicians are in it for themselves, but I prefer his stance on China to the others. Everything else is pretty much semantics between the sides. Unfortunately/fortunately he does not sugar coat his words because he is not a politician.

This time he'll win the electoral AND the popular vote... and the House AND the Senate.... Can't wait to see the Democrats crying about that.

[Tounge Thaied]

"statistical methods to infer causation" Wasn't this the now discredited Neil Ferguson approach. This entire article is based upon supposition intended for clear political bias... Double standards everywhere here in Thai Visa land.

Edited November 2, 2020 by Tounge Thaied
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[bodga]

12 hours ago, placeholder said:

One tiny little detail you forgot to mention about Thailand: mask-wearing is virtually universal.

Its for show only, they are often at half mast, they are often absent  outside of malls, they are probably  worn for days  on end their hands are all over their  faces. Sit  down sometime and observe the hygiene, its pretty grim.

[Tounge Thaied]

12 hours ago, placeholder said:

One tiny little detail you forgot to mention about Thailand: mask-wearing is virtually universal.

You're either not actually living in Thailand or are deliberately being disingenuous. Mask wearing occurs about 90% in malls and 7-11's. That is it. Outside of these two places, Thai's are not wearing masks legitimately. And certainly when you leave the city centers, the villagers never wear masks. 

[248900_1469958220]

This 'everything Trump does is bad' line of thinking is getting pretty tiresome. The mainstream media have become a complete joke. I think Trumps a bit of a **** but, man.....I cannot stand theses lefty cry babies. If he wins again the dummy spit will be monumental. I will find it quite amusing. I cannot for the life of me see how people are getting all excited to go out and vote for Biden/Harris. I wont be surprised to wake up Thursday to see bearded women with blue hair screaming at the top of their lungs.............again.

Edited November 2, 2020 by 248900_1469958220

[alex8912]

2 hours ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

I dont think any reasonable person thinks the BLM protests do not spread the virus and Trump rallies do spread the virus. The difference is this: POTUS is organizing the rallies he throws and saying "What about what about what about" does not excuse Trump from being responsible and doing the right thing to protect people and keep their exposure down. And yes, POTUS is held to a different standard....do not apply for the job if you are not willing to be held to the highest of standards.

You just made a valid point. There are no reasonable people in mainstream media. 

[RoadWarrior371]

6 hours ago, Ireland32 said:

They wear mask Trumper 

What is  your moniker.  Lefty?  LIbby?  LOL

[Traubert]

58 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

And you might be right. It's the people hiding in their basements that never develop immunity and remain viable hosts to the virus. You can't stop a pandemic by hiding from it. The virus will be ready to pounce the moment you come out of hiding.

You can't 'develop immunity."

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, JensenZ said:

This time he'll win the electoral AND the popular vote... and the House AND the Senate.... Can't wait to see the Democrats crying about that.

Well, that seems to be the only thing you base trump supporters care about and that really says it all.

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

This 'everything Trump does is bad' line of thinking is getting pretty tiresome. The mainstream media have become a complete joke. I think Trumps a bit of a **** but, man.....I cannot stand theses lefty cry babies. If he wins again the dummy spit will be monumental. I will find it quite amusing. I cannot for the life of me see how people are getting all excited to go out and vote for Biden/Harris.

And that clearly demonstrates that you've comprehended nothing. It's not excitement for Biden/Harris, it's the deep revulsion for trump and everything he (doesn't) stand for that drives people to vote against him.

[Morch]

7 hours ago, Chiphigh said:

Trumper? 

 

What are you, 8 years old? 

 

 

You support a President who routinely engages in such inane name-calling vs. critics, political opponents or people he does not like. No issues there, apparently.

[Morch]

2 hours ago, rhodie said:

Pot calling the kettle black. You say Trump supporters won't accept a loss. Pretty much sums up you and every post of yours in the last 4 years. ???? 

 

 

Same old Trump supporters' nonsense. What does 'not accept' actually mean, then? Taking up arms against the government? Refusing to pay taxes? Ceding from the US? People have a right to object to the President, or his policies, or his conduct or whatever. Get over it.

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, rhodie said:

Mate, you never accepted it. You bleated on and on for 4 years about how he lost the popular vote. Go back and look at your comments. And yes, he is not a nice person. Most politicians are in it for themselves, but I prefer his stance on China to the others. Everything else is pretty much semantics between the sides. Unfortunately/fortunately he does not sugar coat his words because he is not a politician.

I already explained why it's important that he lost the popular vote in reference to how he behaved in response to that. Horribly! He's divided the country by presenting himself as only the president of his supporters. In my view, that's un-American and anti-democratic. Also you're so wrong. There is so much more than semantics involved in this election. For example response to the pandemic, the top issue of this election which is a referendum on 45's performance in response to the pandemic, arguably the worst of any major country in the world.  As far as him not being a politician. Give us a freakin' break! He's been president for almost a full first term already. He's been running for president again the entire time! He's much more of a politician than a president. The actual work of president except the adulation clearly bores him and he's clearly totally incompetent and unfit to perform it.

Edited November 2, 2020 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Same old Trump supporters' nonsense. What does 'not accept' actually mean, then? Taking up arms against the government? Refusing to pay taxes? Ceding from the US? People have a right to object to the President, or his policies, or his conduct or whatever. Get over it.

Indeed and a significant number of 45 fans are openly saying they will literally go to war if Biden wins (which they will say was rigged).  Is 45 going to stop them? He shows no inclination. 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Tounge Thaied said:

You're either not actually living in Thailand or are deliberately being disingenuous. Mask wearing occurs about 90% in malls and 7-11's. That is it. Outside of these two places, Thai's are not wearing masks legitimately. And certainly when you leave the city centers, the villagers never wear masks. 

 

You are, I think, exaggerating, or maybe things are much different in you neck of the woods. Either way, kinda doubt you've actually got figures on that.

 

People in our village obviously don't wear masks when working in their fields, taking care of livestock and such - why would they? Watering the garden morning and afternoon,  the two 'rush hours' of traffic in front of my house most people wear masks heading for public places (market, schools, work, temple) less so on the return journey.

 

Local markets people 90% wear masks, get pointedly stared at and sometimes comments made when they don't. Local Tescos and such everyone is masked.

 

It was more strictly observed in the earlier days, there's that.

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, Dart12 said:

The whining is going to be epic in 2 days.

Whining will be the least of it. It could take several days or even weeks to get final results. Or best case scenario Biden has a clear win in Florida on election night and it will be over almost instantly. In any case, cities aren't being boarded up for whining.

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Indeed and a significant number of 45 fans are openly saying they will literally go to war if Biden wins (which they will say was rigged).  Is 45 going to stop them? He shows no inclination. 

 

Significant? How significant? Is that a feeling or something more solidly based in fact? I think that there is a segment that's bound to say this, less sure if it's significant numbers-wise, and even less so when it comes to actually going through with action. I do agree that with regard to tone and content, things are quite out there relative to past elections.