Trump takes fighting stance as election swings toward Biden

[cmarshall]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Toomey is quite right wing. Why would he wabt to help realize policies that he doesn't agree with? 

 

Do I have to explain to you the concept of personal ambition among politicians?

 

Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin is the other guy.

 

I bet they will both go for it despite the gnashing teeth of Moscow Mitch.

[shdmn]

I'm loving all the right wingers melting down regurgitating the lies their dear leader is spewing.  Denying reality as usual.  Talk about a bunch of sheep.

 

Edited November 6, 2020 by shdmn

[CorpusChristie]

2 minutes ago, shdmn said:

I'm loving all the right wingers melting down regurgitating the lies their dear leader is spewing.  Denying reality as usual.  Talk about a bunch of sheep.

 

  What "lies" are those and to whom are you referring to in regards to right wingers regurgitating  ?

[placeholder]

5 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

 

Do I have to explain to you the concept of personal ambition among politicians?

 

Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin is the other guy.

 

I bet they will both go for it despite the gnashing teeth of Moscow Mitch.

This is nuts. They live in Republican world. They're not going to abandon everything that entails to pussue policy goals they don't agree with. Those caricatures of politicians as people with no convictions at all is simplistic cynicism.

Edited November 6, 2020 by placeholder

[FritsSikkink]

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  What "lies" are those and to whom are you referring to in regards to right wingers regurgitating  ?

Do you really need to ask?

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, FritsSikkink said:

Do you really need to ask?

 

  Not really, no, just you lot continue to keep writing the same thing over and over again without anyone questioning you, go ahead, do excuse me  

[cmarshall]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

This is nuts. They live in Republican world. They're not going to abandon everything that entails to pussue policy goals they don't agree with. Those caricatures of politicians as people with no convictions at all is simplistic cynicism.

 

Don't explain it to me.  President-elect Biden is the one who needs to hear from you.

Biden eyes GOP candidates for Cabinet slots

Progressives fret as Joe Biden's transition team vets a handful of Republicans for his potential administration.

 

Joe Biden’s transition team is vetting a handful of Republicans for potential Cabinet positions — despite doubts it will win him new support from the right and the risk it will enrage the left.

Reaching across the aisle to pick senior members of his administration could shore up Biden's credentials as a unity candidate, a message he's made a cornerstone of his campaign. Past presidents including George W. Bush, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama have all done the same.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/20/biden-transition-republican-cabinet-429972

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

 

Don't explain it to me.  President-elect Biden is the one who needs to hear from you.

Biden eyes GOP candidates for Cabinet slots

Progressives fret as Joe Biden's transition team vets a handful of Republicans for his potential administration.

 

Joe Biden’s transition team is vetting a handful of Republicans for potential Cabinet positions — despite doubts it will win him new support from the right and the risk it will enrage the left.

Reaching across the aisle to pick senior members of his administration could shore up Biden's credentials as a unity candidate, a message he's made a cornerstone of his campaign. Past presidents including George W. Bush, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama have all done the same.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/20/biden-transition-republican-cabinet-429972

First off, he may be offering. That doesn't mean they'll be accepting. Maybe if there were Republicans who at least had a reputations for moderation. Not many of those in Congress. And of them, who would take the job. Susan Collins just won a tough election. Can you think of anyone else?

[cmarshall]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

First off, he may be offering. That doesn't mean they'll be accepting. Maybe if there were Republicans who at least had a reputations for moderation. Not many of those in Congress. And of them, who would take the job. Susan Collins just won a tough election. Can you think of anyone else?

 

I think you are extraordinarily naive.  Toomey was a banker.  You don't think he would like to be Secretary of the Treasury, a big ask I admit, but if it were worth control of the Senate Biden would give it to him.  Johnson was a businessman.  Imagine how enjoyable it would be for him to be Secretary of Commerce.  

 

Then for the rest of their lives they get addressed by everyone as "Mr. Secretary" instead of "Mr. Senator."

 

Unless they are facing some serious health problems, they would go for it.  In a heartbeat.  Susan Collins is another good idea.  Probably worth a discreet call from Biden's transition committee.  

[KhunFred]

It's going to be a beautiful day when this white trash lunatic is safely put away in a minimum security prison. The America I grew up in, is dead and buried.????

[Jingthing]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

First off, he may be offering. That doesn't mean they'll be accepting. Maybe if there were Republicans who at least had a reputations for moderation. Not many of those in Congress. And of them, who would take the job. Susan Collins just won a tough election. Can you think of anyone else?

John Kasich?

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Just now, cmarshall said:

 

I think you are extraordinarily naive.  Toomey was a banker.  You don't think he would like to be Secretary of the Treasury, a big ask I admit, but if it were worth control of the Senate Biden would give it to him.  Johnson was a businessman.  Imagine how enjoyable it would be for him to be Secretary of Commerce.  

 

Then for the rest of their lives they get addressed by everyone as "Mr. Secretary" instead of "Mr. Senator."

 

Unless they are facing some serious health problems, they would go for it.  In a heartbeat.  Susan Collins is another good idea.  Probably worth a discreet call from Biden's transition committee.  

Do you understand that these departments carry out policies? And that those policies will be at great variance from what conservatives believe in? Why would these people want to tarnish their reputation with everyone in their social milieu. Or do you think it's feasible that Biden will appoint someone and let him or her enact policies that would enrage Democrats? It used to be that with figures like, say, Colin Powell, such appointments were possible. I don't think any such figures exist anymore.

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

John Kasich?

John Kasich has a good image. But he's pretty much a hard right Republican in policies. It is true that he accepted Obamacare funded medicaid. But on most issues there's way too much distance between Democratic policy and where he stands.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

John Kasich has a good image. But he's pretty much a hard right Republican in policies. It is true that he accepted Obamacare funded medicaid. But on most issues there's way too much distance between Democratic policy and where he stands.

True. Yes he did expand ACA Medicaid in Ohio. I guess it depends on which office.

 

Assuming the Republicans control the senate Biden has no choice other than to try to work with some of them.

Edited November 6, 2020 by Jingthing

[cmarshall]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Do you understand that these departments carry out policies? And that those policies will be at great variance from what conservatives believe in? Why would these people want to tarnish their reputation with everyone in their social milieu. Or do you think it's feasible that Biden will appoint someone and let him or her enact policies that would enrage Democrats? It used to be that with figures like, say, Colin Powell, such appointments were possible. I don't think any such figures exist anymore.

 

You're a real hoot.  Do you think any of them is more loyal to any policy than to their ambition?  Powell is a good example.  A complete political hack.  Lied through his teeth to the UN and the American people to incite an illegal war that killed up to one million innocent Iraqis.  I certainly hope no such figures exist anymore, but I think the woods are full of them.  

 

Do you imagine for a minute that the doors of the country club will be shut to Secretary Toomey or Secretary Johnson?  

 

No point in arguing.  Stick a pin in it and let's revisit the discussion on Jan 20.

[cmarshall]

13 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

John Kasich?

 

I don't think you caught the drift here.  The point is to entice a Republican senator from a state with a Democrat governor to resign his Senate seat in exchange for a Cabinet appointment so that the Democrat governor or, ideally, two Democrat governors can appoint Democrats to fill those Senate seats for two years giving the Dems control of the Senate with 50 seats.   Kasich is unemployed, so worthless for this plan.  Merely adding idle Republicans to the Cabinet is not going to inspire McConnell to yield an inch of the power he has.

Edited November 6, 2020 by cmarshall

[Jingthing]

8 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

 

I don't think you caught the drift here.  The point is to entice a Republican senator from a state with a Democrat governor to resign his Senate seat in exchange for a Cabinet appointment so that the Democrat governor or, ideally, two Democrat governors can appoint Democrats to fill those Senate seats for two years giving the Dems control of the Senate with 50 seats.   Kasich is unemployed, so worthless for this plan.  Merely adding idle Republicans to the Cabinet is not going to inspire McConnell to yield an inch of the power he has.

Sorry I missed that.

[shdmn]

Let the prosecutions begin.

 

 

Edited November 6, 2020 by shdmn

[shdmn]

Georgia poised to turn blue for first time in 28 years.  Also, there will be runoff elections there in January which could swing the senate.  I doubt that will happen but I am enjoying this one just the same.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/stacey-abrams-heart-full-georgia-poised-turn-blue-1545484

[KhunFred]

10 minutes ago, shdmn said:

It's over.  Let the prosecutions begin.

 

 

Sadly, with the GOP retaining the Senate, we get to watch a repeat of the obstruction of the Obama years. At least, Trump gains extra time to drop dead from his McDonald's addiction.

[shdmn]

21 minutes ago, KhunFred said:

Sadly, with the GOP retaining the Senate, we get to watch a repeat of the obstruction of the Obama years. At least, Trump gains extra time to drop dead from his McDonald's addiction.

It is what it is. Of course, republicans will suddenly start caring about the deficit again which they only do when a Dem is president.  Bunker boy at least doubled it last time I checked.  It may be triple now.  They will try blame Biden for all that within about an hour of him being inaugurated.

Edited November 6, 2020 by shdmn

[Psimbo]

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  What "lies" are those and to whom are you referring to in regards to right wingers regurgitating  ?

Jeez Louise hw many links do you need? the  guy spouts lies and BS every day.

[shdmn]

McCain's revenge as Arizona turns blue for the first time in 24 years.

 

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/trump-faces-mccain-s-sun-belt-revenge-20201105-p56byh.html

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-race-and-ethnicity-mark-kelly-6841e27210770f59418bdc13a60ccec7

 

Edited November 6, 2020 by shdmn

[shdmn]

13 minutes ago, Psimbo said:

Jeez Louise hw many links do you need? the  guy spouts lies and BS every day.

They are sheeple.  They never have and never will care about facts and reality when it doesn't suit them.  They live in a world if lies.

Edited November 6, 2020 by shdmn

[Tippaporn]

Glad to see everyone celebrating.  I'd say prematurely.  If anyone here thinks this is going to stand all I can say is . . . LOL.

The fat lady ain't singing for quite some time to come.

[CorpusChristie]

2 minutes ago, shdmn said:

They are sheeple.  No use trying to respond with any kind of logic or reason.  They never have and never will care about facts and reality when it doesn't suit them.  The live in a world if lies.

 Non stop just calling people liars over and over again , not intelligent conversation 

[shdmn]

Biden has overtaking trump in Pennsylvania.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/06/biden-trump-pennsylvania-results-434655

 

 

Edited November 6, 2020 by shdmn

[Walker88]

12 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Glad to see everyone celebrating.  I'd say prematurely.  If anyone here thinks this is going to stand all I can say is . . . LOL.

The fat lady ain't singing for quite some time to come.

And it won't stand why?

 

Even the Republican officials running the election process in Georgia and Philadelphia say there is zero evidence of anything untoward. No fraud. None.  45 lost. Plain and simple. Biden has received more votes that any American in history, and when all is said and done, he will have trounced 45 by between 5 and 7 million votes, a staggering popular vote defeat.

 

if you know something the people on the scene don't, I'm sure they would welcome your facts, if you have any facts.  Since it is doubtful you do, then perhaps you had better get used to calling Biden 'President Biden' (or 46 if you prefer) and Senator Harris, Madame Vice President.

Edited November 6, 2020 by Walker88

[CorpusChristie]

4 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

And it won't stand why?

 

Even the Republican officials running the election process in Georgia and Philadelphia say there is zero evidence of anything untoward. No fraud. None.  45 lost. Plain and simple. Biden has received more votes that any American in history, and when all is said and done, he will have trounced 45 by between 5 and 7 million votes, a staggering popular vote defeat.

 

if you know something the people on the scene don't, I'm sure they would welcome your facts, if you have any facts.  Since it is doubtful you do, then perhaps you had better get used to calling Biden 'President Biden' (or 46 if you prefer) and Senator Harris, Madame Vice President.

 

   It could quite likely be *President Harris* before the four years is up .

What fun thats going to be 

[placeholder]

What's truly bizarre about these accusations is that they fail to acknowledge this simple fact: states that allowed counting of mail in ballots before election day, showed a red shift. That is the voting looked blue at first and as time went on shifted to red.

States that didn't allow mail in ballots until election day showed a blue shift. The vote tallies began red and gradually shifted to blue.

I don't see Trump supporters identifying the red shift as suspect.

It's also germane to note that it was Republican legislators in Pennsylvania who refused to amend the law to allow the mail in ballots to be counted before election day. This delayed count is entirely the Republicans' fault.

Edited November 6, 2020 by placeholder