Biden camp considers legal action over agency's delay in recognizing transition

[Sujo]

8 minutes ago, pixelaoffy said:

Lost Georgia to Democratic party and Trump pimps can't stomach it ! Hundreds of thousands of black voters turned out to vote for Biden !  Sticks in your gut doesn't it 

And some where even black women, oh the horror.

[Sujo]

For anyone interested youtube has a great vid compilation from trevor noah showing the repubs complaining the dems were trying to use the courts at the last election.

 

What hypocrits.

 

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9 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Not at all, there are about 70 million voters in America who have been gulled by flim-flam.

The thing is, over and over again I've debunked these reports. They just don't look credible. And thanks to the internet, it's really easy to debunk them. I just wonder why it is that so many Trump supporters can't be bothered to do the same.

[ThailandRyan]

8 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Not at all, there are about 70 million voters in America who have been gulled by flim-flam.

So he is not just the current sitting President, but because 70 million voters, as you so put it have been gulled by flim flam, what your really saying is that he is a snake oil salesman.  Wow, that is so fascinating.  Can you tell me more.  Does he have a hot air balloon, is he from Oz....

 

No one was sold a bill of goods in this election, they were sold an idea by both sides, and it is abhorrent at the way politics is played and handled.  It is why I hate politicians, and I voted for neither.  I voted the same way I did when Ross Perot ran, I voted libertarian. Government and politics is like those big companies that have a monopoly on everything, Government needs to be downsized.  To many people in everyone's business.

[Lacessit]

23 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

So he is not just the current sitting President, but because 70 million voters, as you so put it have been gulled by flim flam, what your really saying is that he is a snake oil salesman.  Wow, that is so fascinating.  Can you tell me more.  Does he have a hot air balloon, is he from Oz....

 

No one was sold a bill of goods in this election, they were sold an idea by both sides, and it is abhorrent at the way politics is played and handled.  It is why I hate politicians, and I voted for neither.  I voted the same way I did when Ross Perot ran, I voted libertarian. Government and politics is like those big companies that have a monopoly on everything, Government needs to be downsized.  To many people in everyone's business.

Of course Trump is a snake oil salesman, that's the way he has operated his whole life. Just look at the number of bankruptcies he has racked up, and how many contractors he has dudded..

Trump's idea was to tap into the resentment of Americans who saw their jobs go overseas, and he was very successful in that. However, if anyone thinks Trump was in politics for anyone but himself, they are delusional.

Just take what Trump has said and done in the past, and his known behaviors. Then google the attributes of a high-functioning sociopath. It's quite astounding how many boxes he manages to tick when one matches it up.

Most con men are sociopaths, they would not be able to succeed as con men if they were not.

[Tippaporn]

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

5 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

False.

 

EXPLAINER: for Election Winner, Much Transition Work Ahead

 

That period is known as the “transition," and this year's window is 78 days, or a little over 11 weeks, assuming a winner is known Tuesday. It will be shorter if the outcome remains unsettled for days or weeks after the election, partly due to the large volume of mail-in ballots.

In 2000, five weeks elapsed before the Supreme Court settled the contested election between Republican George W. Bush and Democrat Al Gore, leaving Bush about half the amount of time to manage transitioning the government from the outgoing Clinton administration.

My mistake. Thanks for the correction However there is one huge difference between the current situation and that one. In that one 2 non-incumbents were in a dispute. So in either case it would be a new administration taking over. In this case the Trump administration is the incumbent. The worst that could happen is that 9 million dollars got wasted if the Trump side prevails. Weigh that against the potential disruption and it's insurance money well spent.

There is no "however" that would apply.  If the GSA recognizes Biden as the winner and the transition is allowed to begin the Biden transition team would be able to start dialoguing with foreign leaders, for instance.  You can see how this would get a little messy if it turns out that Trump prevails.

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11 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

There is no "however" that would apply.  If the GSA recognizes Biden as the winner and the transition is allowed to begin the Biden transition team would be able to start dialoguing with foreign leaders, for instance.  You can see how this would get a little messy if it turns out that Trump prevails.

Dialoging is not a problem. Negotiating is. 

[Tippaporn]

3 hours ago, tilaceer said:

Again, as per a previous post, look at 2016.

The Obama team started the transition process on the 9th November. The day after the election, before any official certification. 

Trumps team are in denial and refuse to participate in any function that might indicate acceptance of the results.

What a difference in the way the two administrations have acted.

Hillary conceded to Trump in a 2:30 AM phone call to Trump on election night.  The election results weren't being contested in 2016.  2020 is not 2016 in any way, shape or form.

[Thingamabob]

5 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

NY Times has Biden at 279.  Which includes PA, but not GA nor AZ.  GA's a lock.  PA's a lock.  But AZ is getting tighter.  Not many votes left there.

 

So, the fat lady has sung.  Trump lost.  No way to win at this point.  Even via these BS legal challenges.  Man up, accept the loss and move on.

What has the NY Times got to do with any of this ?

[Throatwobbler]

20 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

There is no "however" that would apply.  If the GSA recognizes Biden as the winner and the transition is allowed to begin the Biden transition team would be able to start dialoguing with foreign leaders, for instance.  You can see how this would get a little messy if it turns out that Trump prevails.

But Trump isn’t going to prevail. He lost. It is that simple. The Trump fans just can’t stomach the truth.

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5 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Hillary conceded to Trump in a 2:30 AM phone call to Trump on election night.  The election results weren't being contested in 2016.  2020 is not 2016 in any way, shape or form.

Because the results weren't really close in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan? If 2020 isn't 2016 in any way, shape, or form, it's not because of the vote totals, it's because who is the President. Remember that in 2016 Trump said that if he lost it would be due to fraud. In fact he alleged it even after he won.

[Tippaporn]

2 minutes ago, Throatwobbler said:

23 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

There is no "however" that would apply.  If the GSA recognizes Biden as the winner and the transition is allowed to begin the Biden transition team would be able to start dialoguing with foreign leaders, for instance.  You can see how this would get a little messy if it turns out that Trump prevails.

But Trump isn’t going to prevail. He lost. It is that simple. The Trump fans just can’t stomach the truth.

That's a false and misleading statement.  The election has not been certified.  No one is the winner or loser as of this moment.

[herfiehandbag]

5 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

What has the NY Times got to do with any of this ?

It is one of the major newspapers in the USA.

 

That is why it is reporting the news. The election results are quite high up on the news agenda at the moment.

[Sujo]

23 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

There is no "however" that would apply.  If the GSA recognizes Biden as the winner and the transition is allowed to begin the Biden transition team would be able to start dialoguing with foreign leaders, for instance.  You can see how this would get a little messy if it turns out that Trump prevails.

Because normal people acknowledge defeat and graciously move on and give a smooth transition for the good of the country, america first and all that jazz.

 

There is no comeback for trump to win. Get over it, be an adult. All he has done us whine and complain but offered no substance to it. 

 

How is that putting america first.

[TKDfella]

What are the Democrats afraid of? As I understand it, first there has to be certification of ascertainment by the states, then Electoral College meetings (of which H. Clinton is now a member) then Congress has to certify. Why should J. Biden be treated any different...oh yes, according to the NYT on the 7th, J. Biden claimed the presidency (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/07/us/politics/biden-election.html). At present J. Biden is the Presumptive President Elect and it should remain that way until procedure says otherwise. Why all the hurry?

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1 minute ago, TKDfella said:

What are the Democrats afraid of? As I understand it, first there has to be certification of ascertainment by the states, then Electoral College meetings (of which H. Clinton is now a member) then Congress has to certify. Why should J. Biden be treated any different...oh yes, according to the NYT on the 7th, J. Biden claimed the presidency (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/07/us/politics/biden-election.html). At present J. Biden is the Presumptive President Elect and it should remain that way until procedure says otherwise. Why all the hurry?

I can still remember the stirring and impartial way after the Nov 2016 election nibht that Republicans refused to celebrate the electoral victory of Donald Trump until after the states had certified his electoral votes. 

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9 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

That's a false and misleading statement.  The election has not been certified.  No one is the winner or loser as of this moment.

Nor was it when Donald Trump made his post election day victory tour in 2016.

[stevenl]

6 minutes ago, TKDfella said:

What are the Democrats afraid of? As I understand it, first there has to be certification of ascertainment by the states, then Electoral College meetings (of which H. Clinton is now a member) then Congress has to certify. Why should J. Biden be treated any different...oh yes, according to the NYT on the 7th, J. Biden claimed the presidency (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/07/us/politics/biden-election.html). At present J. Biden is the Presumptive President Elect and it should remain that way until procedure says otherwise. Why all the hurry?

The earlier the preparations start, the easier the transition will be.

 

But you say 'treated different', which is not the case. When results are known transition can start. Results are known, transition should start except for the partisan head of a bipartisan agency.

[Tippaporn]

  

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

  

12 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

That's a false and misleading statement.  The election has not been certified.  No one is the winner or loser as of this moment.

 

Nor was it when Donald Trump made his post election day victory tour in 2016.

Hillary conceded at 2:30 AM on election night.  The election was officially over.  The 2020 election has only the networks projecting a winner.  The election result has not been certified.  Certification dates for states vary, starting on Nov. 10 and into Dec. for some states.  And we have no idea of the impact from the multiple lawsuits being filed.  A lot is still up in the air.  To claim there is a winner would be false and misleading.  That should make the difference clear for you.

[Tippaporn]

15 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Because normal people acknowledge defeat and graciously move on and give a smooth transition for the good of the country, america first and all that jazz.

 

There is no comeback for trump to win. Get over it, be an adult. All he has done us whine and complain but offered no substance to it. 

 

How is that putting america first.

We have no idea of how Trump's lawsuits will affect the currently projected claimed states.  We shall have to wait and see if there is substance.  No one can say with certainty whether there is or not at this time.  Folks can speculate as much as they like but it doesn't alter current reality.

[Lacessit]

28 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Hillary conceded to Trump in a 2:30 AM phone call to Trump on election night.  The election results weren't being contested in 2016.  2020 is not 2016 in any way, shape or form.

Indeed it is not, Hilary Clinton conceded gracefully and with dignity, Trump has never had those attributes.

Trump is contesting because it's the last shot in his locker. Despite what Trump had his support chanting, Clinton was never in danger of being locked up. Trump is.

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8 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

  

Hillary conceded at 2:30 AM on election night.  The election was officially over.  The 2020 election has only the networks projecting a winner.  The election result has not been certified.  Certification dates for states vary, starting on Nov. 10 and into Dec. for some states.  And we have no idea of the impact from the multiple lawsuits being filed.  A lot is still up in the air.  To claim there is a winner would be false and misleading.  That should make the difference clear for you.

Nonsense. Concession has no bearing at all on the official results, as you pointed out. It ain't official until it's certified. Doublethink much?

[Sujo]

25 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Nor was it when Donald Trump made his post election day victory tour in 2016.

and his declaration of victory in 2020,which asusual for him was wrong.

[Sujo]

17 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

We have no idea of how Trump's lawsuits will affect the currently projected claimed states.  We shall have to wait and see if there is substance.  No one can say with certainty whether there is or not at this time.  Folks can speculate as much as they like but it doesn't alter current reality.

Please link to any president has waited until official results to claim or concede.

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21 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

We have no idea of how Trump's lawsuits will affect the currently projected claimed states.  We shall have to wait and see if there is substance.  No one can say with certainty whether there is or not at this time.  Folks can speculate as much as they like but it doesn't alter current reality.

Quite a few have already been summarily  dismissed. Does that tell you anything?

[Tippaporn]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Indeed it is not, Hilary Clinton conceded gracefully and with dignity, Trump has never had those attributes.

Trump is contesting because it's the last shot in his locker. Despite what Trump had his support chanting, Clinton was never in danger of being locked up. Trump is.

We have no way of knowing the veracity of Trump's legal challenges.

 

The man gave 4 years of his life to turn the U.S. around while enduring literal hell from those who hate him when he could have easily lived his life out enjoying the fruits of his labour.  If he feels he has merit to his claims then we could be gracious and extend our respect to him to pursue what he is rightfully entitled to by law.  Just as any American has that right.  Or do you not respect the rights of your fellow Americans only because you hate them?  Okay for some but not others?  Equal justice under the law?

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8 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

We have no way of knowing the veracity of Trump's legal challenges.

 

The man gave 4 years of his life to turn the U.S. around while enduring literal hell from those who hate him when he could have easily lived his life out enjoying the fruits of his labour.  If he feels he has merit to his claims then we could be gracious and extend our respect to him to pursue what he is rightfully entitled to by law.  Just as any American has that right.  Or do you not respect the rights of your fellow Americans only because you hate them?  Okay for some but not others?  Equal justice under the law?

Because there's no such thing as abuse of legal process? Tell that to the hundreds of people Trump baselessly sued for slander and libel. The only case he ever prevailed in was when the defendant didn't show up in court. Please. Such nonsense you spout.

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[Tippaporn]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

  

30 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

We have no idea of how Trump's lawsuits will affect the currently projected claimed states.  We shall have to wait and see if there is substance.  No one can say with certainty whether there is or not at this time.  Folks can speculate as much as they like but it doesn't alter current reality.

 

Quite a few have already been summarily  dismissed. Does that tell you anything?

Politics.  Please don't try and convince me that justice is always served in the U.S.

[Tippaporn]

Just now, placeholder said:

Because there's no such thing as abuse of legal process? Tell that to the hundred of people Trump baselessly sued for slander and label. The only case he ever prevailed in was when the defendant didn't show up in court. Please. Such nonsense you spout.

I think this discussion is starting to wander off topic.

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

We have no way of knowing the veracity of Trump's legal challenges.

 

The man gave 4 years of his life to turn the U.S. around while enduring literal hell from those who hate him when he could have easily lived his life out enjoying the fruits of his labour.  If he feels he has merit to his claims then we could be gracious and extend our respect to him to pursue what he is rightfully entitled to by law.  Just as any American has that right.  Or do you not respect the rights of your fellow Americans only because you hate them?  Okay for some but not others?  Equal justice under the law?

The man gave 4 years of his life servicing the debt he has with taxpayer funds, by renting out his properties for government functions. He's not enjoying the fruits of his labour, he has $420 million in debt coming due.

Your post goes beyond ludicrous, please tell me when Trump has been gracious and respectful to anyone who did not scrape and bow? If you want to talk about equal justice, please tell me how America has one of the highest incarceration rates in the world, way over-represented by black Americans?