Nearly 80% of Americans say Biden won White House, ignoring Trump's refusal to concede: Reuters/Ipsos poll

[Throatwobbler]

There are a few Trump fans in serious denial on this thread. It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.  Trump lost. You have got to start accepting that. All this what about.... is pathetic.

Some of you are going to have serious issues in January when President Biden is sworn in.

[Throatwobbler]

1 hour ago, Masterton said:

 

Oh right of course.... you mean like in the 2000 US election when Gore litigated and re-litigated for 37 days before finally conceding ?  Got it .

Do you know anything of the history of that. How close the Florida vote was? Just posting that makes you you look ill informed. Hard to take anything else you take seriously.

[Silurian]

A recount in Arizona probably won't happen. Presidential candidates would have to be separated by only 200 votes in order to trigger a recount. With the current trend (if it holds), would put Biden ahead by about 6000 to 7000 votes.

 

The only other recount would be Georgia. Biden currently is ahead by about 14000+ votes (and increasing steadily). It appears that most of the initial ballot counting is done and if the final tally is below the 0.5% threshold then the recount will occur. With over 14,000 votes in Biden's favor it is extremely unlikely a recount would change anything.

[Silurian]

While Biden gets ready to be President, Donald hides away and sulks. It appears that Donald has all but given up on any Presidential duties (although this may be a good thing).

 

Donald Trump refusing to work with Joe Biden’s team

 

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Trump’s public schedule hasn’t included an intelligence briefing since October 1. The White House hasn’t provided a “readout” of any call between the president and a foreign leader in weeks. He has not met with members of the White House coronavirus task force in months.

 

If Donald doesn't want to do any work then he should be grateful that someone else is actually willing do it.

Edited November 11, 2020 by Silurian

[Scott]

Inflammatory post reported and removed.

 

[Pique Dard]

by the way, why would it be socialism if every american citizen is insured and can afford to pay doctors&hospitals bills?

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1 hour ago, Masterton said:

 

No, as I said before I am not debating it with you any further because you just deflect and ignore any points raised that contradict your narrative . The SC issue is a moot point due to the fact the wording of the constitution is clear and unambiguous and therefore should be an open and shut case. It is not "a take on the constitution", it IS the constitution. 

 

I notice you have not provided a response to my previous question though. If you lot are all so sure Biden won fairly and squarely then why are you not welcoming the opportunity to prove it in court and in recounts etc ??  Interesting... 

 

 

Maybe this will help you understand the Supreme Court issue:

Pennsylvania’s top election officer says just 10,000 ballots were received after Nov. 3

The number is far too small to undermine President-elect Joe Biden’s margin of victory in a critical battleground state.

Pennsylvania’s chief election officer announced on Tuesday that around 10,000 ballots were received between the close of polls on Election Day and the evening of Nov. 6 — a number far too small to undermine President-elect Joe Biden’s margin of victory in a critical battleground state.

The approximately 10,000 mail ballots are at the center of a case in front of the Supreme Court that President Donald Trump and his allies have pushed for, as they advance a broader strategy that’s less about actually making a cohesive legal argument than it is about undermining trust in the democratic process.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/10/pennsylvanias-top-election-officer-says-just-10-000-ballots-were-received-after-nov-3-435972

[Tug]

We are all tired of trump trolling us you lost stop sulking in the bunker come out and face the music it’s not going away just like covid dident get it over with resign let pence do the turn over what a sad pathetic man

[Pique Dard]

trump lives in his own world, a parallel world. he doesn't care about the poll

[Masterton]

34 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Maybe this will help you understand the Supreme Court issue:

Pennsylvania’s top election officer says just 10,000 ballots were received after Nov. 3

The number is far too small to undermine President-elect Joe Biden’s margin of victory in a critical battleground state.

Pennsylvania’s chief election officer announced on Tuesday that around 10,000 ballots were received between the close of polls on Election Day and the evening of Nov. 6 — a number far too small to undermine President-elect Joe Biden’s margin of victory in a critical battleground state.

The approximately 10,000 mail ballots are at the center of a case in front of the Supreme Court that President Donald Trump and his allies have pushed for, as they advance a broader strategy that’s less about actually making a cohesive legal argument than it is about undermining trust in the democratic process.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/10/pennsylvanias-top-election-officer-says-just-10-000-ballots-were-received-after-nov-3-435972

 

Continually having to respond to your bias nonsense is becoming tiresome. Pennsylvania has a long history of "voting issues" which goes back decades. The problem there is systemic. The fact that you automatically believe the word of the people who are being accused of fraud/interference/irregularities/illegality without taking into consideration any of the evidence/proof already (allegedly) collected by the Trump lawyers just highlights your confirmation bias. Please don't bother replying to this message because I will be ignoring you from here on.

[Ireland32]

20% are Extreme Cultist 

[Ireland32]

11 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Terrible Biden declaring himself president before the count has finished. This is certainly dividing the country and showing his arrogance. 

Trump announced First , Duh

[Eric Loh]

Trump is staying behind closed doors probably on his bunker tweeting and unleashing a purge of those he deemed disloyal. Meanwhile Biden has been highly visible appearing on camera and taking calls with leaders of top allies. What a reversal of roles for basement Trump. 

[Scott]

37 minutes ago, Masterton said:

 

Continually having to respond to your bias nonsense is becoming tiresome. Pennsylvania has a long history of "voting issues" which goes back decades. The problem there is systemic. The fact that you automatically believe the word of the people who are being accused of fraud/interference/irregularities/illegality without taking into consideration any of the evidence/proof already (allegedly) collected by the Trump lawyers just highlights your confirmation bias. Please don't bother replying to this message because I will be ignoring you from here on.

Please provide us with links to the evidence/proof from a credible source.

 

[Silurian]

When you can't win an election fair and square, you toss up enough dirt to delay certification so electors vote in your favor. Donald appears to be on the verge of attempting to steal the election and toss American democracy out the window in the process.

 

Republicans discuss extreme Electoral College play for Trump to cling to power

 

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In this long-shot scenario, Trump and his team could try to block secretaries of state in contested states from certifying results. That could allow legislatures in those states to try to appoint new electors who favor Trump over Biden.

"It's basically hijacking the democracy," one lawyer familiar with the process tells Axios. "They've got nothing else; you'd be trying to deny Joe Biden 270."

 

[DavisH]

10 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

We don't need the polls, we've just had an election where President-Elect Biden crushed trump, an incumbent "president" no less.

I'm still astounded that the cult od personality still managed to garner 70M votes. Dumb****istan is alive and well. it seems. 

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50 minutes ago, Masterton said:

 

Continually having to respond to your bias nonsense is becoming tiresome. Pennsylvania has a long history of "voting issues" which goes back decades. The problem there is systemic. The fact that you automatically believe the word of the people who are being accused of fraud/interference/irregularities/illegality without taking into consideration any of the evidence/proof already (allegedly) collected by the Trump lawyers just highlights your confirmation bias. Please don't bother replying to this message because I will be ignoring you from here on.

I pointed out to you quite clearly how you misunderstood the Supreme Court's ruling in this case. I've noticed that you are no longer asserting your misunderstanding of it but have retreated to blather instead. I'd like to think that this is your tacit way of acknowledging your error.

[Throatwobbler]

1 hour ago, Masterton said:

 

Continually having to respond to your bias nonsense is becoming tiresome. Pennsylvania has a long history of "voting issues" which goes back decades. The problem there is systemic. The fact that you automatically believe the word of the people who are being accused of fraud/interference/irregularities/illegality without taking into consideration any of the evidence/proof already (allegedly) collected by the Trump lawyers just highlights your confirmation bias. Please don't bother replying to this message because I will be ignoring you from here on.

The fact that you constantly believe the word of a man who has cried fraud every time he has lost, stretching back to the primaries over 4 years ago, is getting rather tiresome. Trump lost fair and square. Deal with it.

[jcsmith]

12 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Terrible Biden declaring himself president before the count has finished. This is certainly dividing the country and showing his arrogance. 

There isn't a snowballs chance in hell the remaining count would win the election for Trump. There's no way he's winning Pennsylvania. Even if somehow 50,000 last second ballots got found for Trump in Arizona, Nevada, and Georgia, Trump would still lose the election without Pennsylvania.

In another post you reference Gore vs. Bush... An election that came down to 537 votes... In one state with millions of votes... Where the governor of the state was run by the winning candidate... Surely you can see the difference between 537 votes and tens of thousands, can you not? 

Edited November 11, 2020 by jcsmith

[newatthis]

1 hour ago, Silurian said:

When you can't win an election fair and square, you toss up enough dirt to delay certification so electors vote in your favor. Donald appears to be on the verge of attempting to steal the election and toss American democracy out the window in the process.

 

Republicans discuss extreme Electoral College play for Trump to cling to power

 

 

Do these people want another civil war?

[PattayaJames]

 

British punters are betting millions on Donald Trump overturning the US election result, it emerged last night.

 

Betfair is now pricing his chances of a shock reversal at around 10/1 and are refusing to settle bets on President-elect Joe Biden.

 

Nearly £600 million has been wagered on the US election results on the London-based online exchange with over £100 million traded since election day.

 

And punters on US-based betting site Predictit are even more confident Trump will mount a successful legal challenge against Biden’s apparently clear triumph. Trump’s odds are priced at around 7/1 on the platform, down from 50/1 on election night.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13163703/us-election-donald-trump-overturn-punters-betting/

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10 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

 

British punters are betting millions on Donald Trump overturning the US election result, it emerged last night.

 

Betfair is now pricing his chances of a shock reversal at around 10/1 and are refusing to settle bets on President-elect Joe Biden.

 

Nearly £600 million has been wagered on the US election results on the London-based online exchange with over £100 million traded since election day.

 

And punters on US-based betting site Predictit are even more confident Trump will mount a successful legal challenge against Biden’s apparently clear triumph. Trump’s odds are priced at around 7/1 on the platform, down from 50/1 on election night.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13163703/us-election-donald-trump-overturn-punters-betting/

Probably means that there are lots of fanatic Trump supporters willing to bet on his chances. Bookies are doing what they always do: protect themselves by lowering the potential payoff. 

[Susco]

24 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

 

British punters are betting millions on Donald Trump overturning the US election result, it emerged last night.

 

Betfair is now pricing his chances of a shock reversal at around 10/1 and are refusing to settle bets on President-elect Joe Biden.

 

Nearly £600 million has been wagered on the US election results on the London-based online exchange with over £100 million traded since election day.

 

And punters on US-based betting site Predictit are even more confident Trump will mount a successful legal challenge against Biden’s apparently clear triumph. Trump’s odds are priced at around 7/1 on the platform, down from 50/1 on election night.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13163703/us-election-donald-trump-overturn-punters-betting/

 

 Don't know anything about betting, but to me this shows a different picture

 

[Scott]

Numerous posts removed.   Continue with the nonsense bickering and you will get a suspension. 

[Purdey]

Under the American system, the final vote for the next president takes place some time in December. That is when the Electoral College votes. Not every elector is legally bound to vote for the person they were chosen to vote for (called faithless electors, only 33 states plus the District of Columbia have laws against faithless electors) and there may be some stumbles between now and then. If Trump can convert some of the electors to himself (no one said they are trustworthy) by using the law and changing the vote count then having a minority of popular votes can sometimes win the election. Americans do not directly elect their president and there is no proportional representation. There have (if memory serves) been five presidents elected without winning the popular vote. 

[whaleboneman]

14 hours ago, tonray said:

In two weeks, most of the states in dispute must certify the results....unless Trump's lawsuits (so far pretty much rejected) can prevent that via  court order...he's done before Thanksgiving. He needs to start focusing his legal team on keeping him out of jail and/or bankruptcy court in 2021. Let him have his fun....2 weeks and he's just another miserable old sod without an umbrella in the rain.

He won't need an umbrella in prison.

[tgw]

I wish that situation to drag on because then we would finally witness which police force has the power to arrest the president.

 

Senate's Sergeant at Arms ?

Secret Service ?

FBI ?

White House Police ?

Capitol Police ?

Supreme Court Police?

or will  it be a citizen's arrest (a bit unspectacular)

Edited November 11, 2020 by tgw

[VocalNeal]

Someone more famous than me said something to the effect of:

 

"Democracy only works when the defeated admit and accept defeat."

[bendejo]

15 hours ago, Barnabe said:

Trump was investigated for 4 years for the supposed Russia collusion, but now we can't spend a couple of months investigating fraud reports?

Expect an investigation of that investigation sometime soon. 

 

 

[Lacessit]

6 hours ago, Masterton said:

 

Continually having to respond to your bias nonsense is becoming tiresome. Pennsylvania has a long history of "voting issues" which goes back decades. The problem there is systemic. The fact that you automatically believe the word of the people who are being accused of fraud/interference/irregularities/illegality without taking into consideration any of the evidence/proof already (allegedly) collected by the Trump lawyers just highlights your confirmation bias. Please don't bother replying to this message because I will be ignoring you from here on.

If there is any voter fraud, it is mostly engineered by Republicans. Purging of voter rolls, setting unconstitutional qualifications for voter registration, gerrymandering districts, and campaigns aimed at discouraging voter turnout. Trump didn't win in spite of all that chicanery.

The legal system is tossing out the challenges as they are generated, because the evidence/proof offered by Trump's lawyers is as solid as cooked wet lettuce.

Speaking of confirmation bias, how's yours going?