Britain in 'final throw of the dice' as EU trade talks set to restart

[luckyluke]

7 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

That is exactly who will be impacted......JR-M and his ilk will, in all likelihood, benefit.

Well a pity of course, but nothing new here, politicians all over the world, from whatever orientation, are first and all thinking and acting for themselves. 

 

[david555]

2 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   It wasnt a Conservative idea

It aint yet 1 Januari 2021 and already looking to excusing it was not a conservatives brexiteers doing ....it start's already ....

realizing the catastrophy created by brexit .....that's quick ????

 

I guess it must be the E.U. who push you out ....of course... ????

[transam]

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

It aint yet 1 Januari 2021 and already looking to excusing it was not a conservatives brexiteers doing ....it start's already ....

realizing the catastrophy created by brexit .....that's quick ????

 

I guess it must be the E.U. who push you out ....of course... ????

Yes, it was the EU that pushed us out, why can't you realise that is why Brexit happened. The British do not want to be involved your obvious future U.S.of G. club.....You can keep it...... 

[david555]

9 minutes ago, transam said:

Yes, it was the EU that pushed us out, why can't you realise that is why Brexit happened. The British do not want to be involved your obvious future U.S.of G. club.....You can keep it...... 

Hilarious .....you become more ignorant by the clock ticking final brexit  day's...

Denying your own brexiteers creation ....????

Settle that withe the 48% next decade ...aint easy i guess ....after what you have done to them ....????

 

 

 

Edited December 7, 2020 by david555

[transam]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

Hilarious .....you become more ignorant by the clock ticking final brexit  day's...

Denying your own brexit creation ....????

 

 

 

Yet another slur from an unhappy remain supporter, surely you can do better than that. ????

 

Brexit was not my creation, the UK populace voted for it, do you not understand that..? 

 

Now I know you are from across the channel, a foreigner, and are worried about coughing up more cash to support your club members, but please respect the UK democratic vote, even if upsets you, there's a good chap...... 

[david555]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Yet another slur from an unhappy remain supporter, surely you can do better than that. ????

 

Brexit was not my creation, the UK populace voted for it, do you not understand that..? 

 

Now I know you are from across the channel, a foreigner, and are worried about coughing up more cash to support your club members, but please respect the UK democratic vote, even if upsets you, there's a good chap...... 

Old age start really giving you problems now ...take care for it ...so sour while you are winning independance ...????

 

Really if Englanders get not their wish ..all others are at fault ....new mantra ????

[luckyluke]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

Yes, it was the EU that pushed us out, why can't you realise that is why Brexit happened. 

Of course it was the E.U., it took you however 45 years before you get it. 

Also it was the E.U. which push you to knock at the door, for negotiations, the day after the referendum. 

 

 Now, seriously,

I am aware that my post is ridiculous. 

Just a silly wind-up. 

 

Are you aware that yours is ridiculous as well?

[transam]

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

Old age start really giving you problems now ...take care for it ...so sour while you are winning independance ...????

 

Really if Englanders get not their wish ..all others are at fault ....new mantra ????

Yet another slur, it really makes you look stupid, plus you are mistaken again, it was a UK vote, not your Englanders....Now please use your loaf (head) a bit more before you call folk on here ignorant.....

[transam]

6 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Of course it was the E.U., it took you however 45 years before you get it. 

Also it was the E.U. which push you to knock at the door, for negotiations, the day after the referendum. 

 

 Now, seriously,

I am aware that my post is ridiculous. 

Just a silly wind-up. 

 

Are you aware that yours is ridiculous as well?

You forget, I actually lived in the UK for a very long time, you haven't, in my business I watched the change on the streets of London, you haven't. I know sod all about your Belgian streets, so I will not comment on it, it would be ridiculous..????

[david555]

22 minutes ago, transam said:

You forget, I actually lived in the UK for a very long time, you haven't, in my business I watched the change on the streets of London, you haven't. I know sod all about your Belgian streets, so I will not comment on it, it would be ridiculous..????

really so sour ...and so close to full independance ....???? strange....

[luckyluke]

1 minute ago, transam said:

You forget, I actually lived in the UK for a very long time, you haven't, in my business I watched the change on the streets of London, you haven't. I know sod all about your Belgian streets, so I will not comment on it, it would be ridiculous..????

Do you mean the ethnicity changed.

 

In Belgium we have the same problem.

 

All kind of "Refugees" are now what you mainly see.

 

We, in Belgium, only blame our different governments for this, they had/have the tools to make their stay less easy, never any legislation has been created.

 

And this is the case for any country.

 

Of course for a government it is more easy to do nothing, and blame a third party, 

there are even some/a lot who believe it.

 

I am really curious what will happen in the U.K. next year in that matter,

 

being out of the E.U., no way they can blame it anymore,

 

and if the U.K. could, falsely, pretend it could not create laws, due to being a member of the E.U., it wont be able to use that lame excuse anymore.

 

[transam]

7 minutes ago, david555 said:

really so sour ...and so close to full independance ....???? strange....

Strange, for you it would be, because you are lumbered with your club and its obvious future.......????

[transam]

5 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Do you mean the ethnicity changed.

 

In Belgium we have the same problem.

 

All kind of "Refugees" are now what you mainly see.

 

We, in Belgium, only blame our different governments for this, they had/have the tools to make their stay less easy, never any legislation has been created.

 

And this is the case for any country.

 

Of course for a government it is more easy to do nothing, and blame a third party, 

there are even some/a lot who believe it.

 

I am really curious what will happen in the U.K. next year in that matter,

 

being out of the E.U., no way they can blame it anymore,

 

and if the U.K. could, falsely, pretend it could not create laws, due to being a member of the E.U., it wont be able to use that lame excuse anymore.

 

You haven't got a moat, we have....Fresh air is not far off....????

[luckyluke]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Fresh air is not far off

 

Maybe,  no any announcement from your government in that matter since 4 years.

They may of course keep it as a surprise.

Will see.

For me, until proven, I consider it as speculation.

[transam]

4 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

 

Maybe,  no any announcement from your government in that matter since 4 years.

They may of course keep it as a surprise.

Will see.

For me, until proven, I consider it as speculation.

Yep, like the remain supporters here, from the UK and the EU, spouting daily doom and gloom stuff.....????

[vogie]

1 hour ago, Proboscis said:

Don't get me wrong - the French may not be able to get their seafood so easily and the Germans will lose market for their cars after Brexit kicks in January 1st. But this has not bred incredible bitterness. If you read the newspapers in these countries, you will not see the German car industry beating the Government or the EU for losing this market for cars. Nor will you see the French consumers marching in the streets for loss of their seafood. The fact is that there will be other sources for seafood and other markets for cars. And while the EU citizens and their businesses will be sad to to see the Brits go on this new strange and inexplicable venture, there is no bitterness.

 

In fact, Brexit has much less coverage in European newspapers than in the UK. They are much more concerned with Covid.

 

You see, the bitterness is all a fantasy of the extreme Brexiteers in the UK. They interpret the EU and all its members as always having been against the UK. And I suppose if anyone only ever read the Murdoch press, they would think that too. In the midst of all the hatred that has been fanned up by the Murdoch media, you fail to see the French people who are fans of Marks and Spenser, the Germans who love old British cars, the Belgians who like their fish done the English style - not to mention the number of people who were able to quote Shakespeare to me in the various countries in Europe whereas that hardly happens in the UK unless you happen to be in Oxford or some place like that.

 

I can tell you that there are some people who are very bitter about what has happened, about the whole Brexit thing who live in Europe. They are the Brits who live very happily in Spain and whose lives will change rather drastically with Brexit, even if there is a deal, even if there is the most perfect deal possible. Now they will be considered a "third country" and will have to face all sorts of bureaucracy with respect to permission to say, work and travel with their pets than before. You should talk to those retirees, some of whom were in favor of the Brexit as it was sold to them at the time but are hopping mad now!

A very well written piece Proboscis unfortunately I think you have missed the point the poster you are replying to was making and indeed have missed out the most salient point you could have mentioned. I believe when the poster said "bitterness" he was not referring to the people of Paris or the citizens of Colongne, he probably was referring to the constant snide remarks from the Euro posters on this very site, the majority, but not all cannot go a post without a put down to the UK, especially England and there is no real need for it, it is not meant in fun, it is simply being damn right rude.

 

You see, the bitterness is all a fantasy of the extreme Brexiteers in the UK. They interpret the EU and all its members as always having been against the UK. And I suppose if anyone only ever read the Murdoch press, they would think that too. In the midst of all the hatred that has been fanned up by the Murdoch media, you fail to see the French people who are fans of Marks and Spenser, the Germans who love old British cars, the Belgians who like their fish done the English style - not to mention the number of people who were able to quote Shakespeare to me in the various countries in Europe whereas that hardly happens in the UK unless you happen to be in Oxford or some place like that.

 

The Brexiteers are certainly not bitter, BTW what is an "extreme" Brexiteer, you are either a Brexiteer or not, no such thing as extreme, which brings me to the most salient point in what you failed to mention, slowly and surely the EU is turning into a one nation federal state who gives it's orders to the rest of europe, we want no part of being run by these beaurocrats in Brussels, we want to make our own decisions, does that never come into a Euros mind instead of all this 'the UK wants to leave because we are all racists'. And does it make someone stupid because they don't want to quote Shakespear, personally I have better things to with my life, but if it makes the Euros any happier I wouldn't be surprised if Boris could quote the complete works of Shakespear in English, French and even Latin.

 

 

I can tell you that there are some people who are very bitter about what has happened, about the whole Brexit thing who live in Europe. They are the Brits who live very happily in Spain and whose lives will change rather drastically with Brexit, even if there is a deal, even if there is the most perfect deal possible. Now they will be considered a "third country" and will have to face all sorts of bureaucracy with respect to permission to say, work and travel with their pets than before. You should talk to those retirees, some of whom were in favor of the Brexit as it was sold to them at the time but are hopping mad now! 

 

Brexit has never been about the Brits living in Torremolinos or the Dordogne or even taking our dogs to Dieppe, it is about doing what we think is right for our country and we can get on as friends after our divorce, all the better, if not, c'est la vie.

 

[luckyluke]

Just now, transam said:

Yep, like the remain supporters here, from the UK and the EU, spouting daily doom and gloom stuff.....????

There are even some here who spout daily gloom and doom about the E.U..

This is a forum, one has to accept there are different people with different opinions, and different ways to express themselves.

Moderation is there to judge what can and can't, and act accordingly.

[transam]

1 minute ago, luckyluke said:

There are even some here who spout daily gloom and doom about the E.U..

This is a forum, one has to accept there are different people with different opinions, and different ways to express themselves.

Moderation is there to judge what can and can't, and act accordingly.

Well, that is probably why Brexit happened, just letting you know why....????

Should I then report the slurs I get on a daily basis because remainers don't like my words.....?

[luckyluke]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Well, that is probably why Brexit happened, just letting you know why....????

Should I then report the slurs I get on a daily basis because remainers don't like my words.....?

 

In my personal opinion Brexit happened because the U.K. and the E.U. are totally incapable of coexisting.

 

Britons are proud people, with a great history, despite it isn't an empire anymore, they still are convinced it is up to them to give orders, to tell how things must be, not the other way.

 

Sometimes they are even astonished that others may have a different approach of things as they have.

 

This could have worked if the E.U. was composed of countries like Belgium.

With France & Germany into it, it was a recipe for disaster.

 

What concern the daily "slurs", don't give the Remainers and others,  the opportunity to express them.

 

I can not judge who is right or wrong, but it is a fact that an action cause a reaction.

 

[JonnyF]

2 hours ago, david555 said:

It aint yet 1 Januari 2021 and already looking to excusing it was not a conservatives brexiteers doing ....it start's already ....

realizing the catastrophy created by brexit .....that's quick ????

 

I guess it must be the E.U. who push you out ....of course... ????

The left was massively Euro sceptic, especially Corbyn.

 

Of course that was back in the day when the left was the real party of the working class  instead of the north london champagne socialist hand wringing globalists they have become. 

 

[david555]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

The left was massively Euro sceptic, especially Corbyn.

 

Of course that was back in the day when the left was the real party of the working class  instead of the north london champagne socialist hand wringing globalists they have become. 

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And where can i read that it was Labour and not conservatives they worked out brexit ...?

So Cameron was not a conservative ..but a Labour guy ....????

[JonnyF]

25 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

 

In my personal opinion Brexit happened because the U.K. and the E.U. are totally incapable of coexisting.

 

Britons are proud people, with a great history, despite it isn't an empire anymore, they still are convinced it is up to them to give orders, to tell how things must be, not the other way.

 

Sometimes they are even astonished that others may have a different approach of things as they have.

 

This could have worked if the E.U. was composed of countries like Belgium.

With France & Germany into it, it was a recipe for disaster.

 

What concern the daily "slurs", don't give the Remainers and others,  the opportunity to express them.

 

I can not judge who is right or wrong, but it is a fact that an action cause a reaction.

 

You are wrong.

 

We don't want to give orders outside our country. We just dont want to take orders from a corrupt lopsided organization in which the french and the germans have the majority of the power.

 

We want to be sovereign and decide the fate and laws and decisions of our own country. Nothing wrong with that. It's the norm around the world in fact. The EU is the exception not the rule.

[JonnyF]

13 minutes ago, david555 said:

And where can i read that it was Labour and not conservatives they worked out brexit ...?

So Cameron was not a conservative ..but a Labour guy ....????

The seeds of euroscepticism were planted way before Cameron. Don't pretend to be an  expert on UK politics. 

 

The labour trade unionists were deeply Eurosceptic and rightly so, they planted many seeds. Back when Labour was credible. Back when Corbyn had a pair.

[david555]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

The seeds of euroscepticism were planted way before Cameron. Don't pretend to be an  expert on UK politics. 

 

The labour trade unionists were deeply Eurosceptic and rightly so, they planted many seeds. Back when Labour was credible. Back when Corbyn had a pair.

Don't pretend to be an  expert on UK politics. 

 

Never claiming that !...i wouldn't break my head on that ...leave the eternal catfight amoungst each other for all on that  Island ....

 

Only hoping all ends today as it becomes a real comedy ....on both sides ....it has to end one time !

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, david555 said:

Don't pretend to be an  expert on UK politics. 

 

Never claiming that !...i wouldn't break my head on that ...leave the eternal catfight amoungst each other for all on that  Island ....

 

Only hoping all ends today as it becomes a real comedy ....on both sides ....it has to end one time !

 

It's only Sturgeon and her gullible and ignorant followers causing disunity in the UK. Apart from that we are doing pretty well.

 

I agree I hope it ends well. But when one side is looking for a deal that helps both sides but the other side is looking to punish, then it becomes difficult. Let's see if the EU can take a more mature stance. Otherwise we both suffer. 

 

Try to remember, Brexiteers are not anti Europe we are anti EU. Only the Remainers claim otherwise. Don't fall for their rhetoric, its divisive and counter productive. 

[luckyluke]

19 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

You are wrong.

 

We don't want to give orders outside our country. We just dont want to take orders from a corrupt lopsided organization in which the french and the germans have the majority of the power.

 

We want to be sovereign and decide the fate and laws and decisions of our own country. Nothing wrong with that. It's the norm around the world in fact. The EU is the exception not the rule.

 I don't agree with your personal perception, but every approach of a situation is interesting to read.

[candide]

5 hours ago, transam said:

And if things goes right, what will you be saying then, nothing, you will disappear............????

 

What will you do if it goes wrong?

[vogie]

1 minute ago, candide said:

What will you do if it goes wrong?

The country made a democratic decision, we will stick with that decision and remember if it does go wrong for us, it most certainly will go wrong for you too. 

[Kwasaki]

31 minutes ago, david555 said:

Don't pretend to be an  expert on UK politics. 

 

Never claiming that !...i wouldn't break my head on that ...leave the eternal catfight amoungst each other for all on that  Island ....

 

Only hoping all ends today as it becomes a real comedy ....on both sides ....it has to end one time !

News just now 3 sticking point still there might be a final decision tomorrow or Wednesday. 

Looking like a no deal leave which is what I expected. 

[david555]

13 minutes ago, vogie said:

The country made a democratic decision, we will stick with that decision and remember if it does go wrong for us, it most certainly will go wrong for you too. 

We realise that it will be a fraction from  the going wrong from "Great Brexit's "