'On a knife edge': Britain and EU in last-ditch trade talks

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1 hour ago, sawadee1947 said:

UK will never ever be independent but has to follow all the big economic blocs world wide as a little country tossed between powerful blocs if they want to trade with. 

And as EU is the most important trade partner UK have to respect EU laws. 

Even the most ignorant Brexiteers like you will feel the pain follow an idiotic PM. 

 

Says an Irish bloke.....

[Hi from France]

https://bit.ly/2VITCAF 

 

 

 

 

[Laughing Gravy]

5 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

No surprise there the Guardian lying but it will still remain the bastion newspaper of the deluded, lefty remainers.

 

Boris should walk away and I have been saying that for a long time as the EU dos not want a deal with an independent UK.

 

One great thing for me regarding the whole referendum situation from 2015 onwards and the campaign is the awareness it has brought o the people. Those who didn't know what the EU was about or how they operate.

 

Now people are aware and those that i know are not impressed. the EU did a pretty good job of hiding its operation.

 

I have always said to people just watch yes Minister to get an idea of what British politics is like and the way the EU operate.

 

This classic clips just gives an insight.

Poor khunken is sad. How we will all cope.????

[Laughing Gravy]

2 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

UK will never ever be independent but has to follow all the big economic blocs world wide as a little country tossed between powerful blocs if they want to trade with. 

And as EU is the most important trade partner UK have to respect EU laws. 

Even the most ignorant Brexiteers like you will feel the pain follow an idiotic PM. 

 

Hilarious from the Irishman where the country has been shafted and will be with a no deal, and deservingly so.

 

Remember Siin Fein didn't support the EU and only did for a united Ireland. there are a lot of people who wish they could turn back the clock in Ireland.

 

Keep voting until we get the right result eh!

 

Anyway how about the EU respecting UK laws.

[vogie]

38 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

https://bit.ly/2VITCAF 

 

 

 

 

Looks like that the UK isn't falling for the punishment deal of the EU. 

[Laughing Gravy]

1 hour ago, Hi from France said:

It is a waste of time, all you can do is wait 10-20 years and trust the younger generation will prevail. 

???? Hopefully they will throw those in jail responsible for signing up to treaties that sold the country down the river (Blair/Major) and will put those who are traitors and sold their souls to the EU on trial (Kinnock, Cameron, Mas=y and a whole lot of others).

[3NUMBAS]

mexican cartels dont do deals nor do the brussels cartel ,,same same

[3NUMBAS]

8 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

???? Hopefully they will throw those in jail responsible for signing up to treaties that sold the country down the river (Blair/Major) and will put those who are traitors and sold their souls to the EU on trial (Kinnock, Cameron, Mas=y and a whole lot of others).

ted heath gave away british fish stocks so they want to keep it that way ,kinnock and family became  very wealthy from the EU gravey train by selling out their labour voters in a very cheap way

[NeoDinosaw]

4 hours ago, vinny41 said:

you put property up for sale, someone makes an offer which you accept , transaction appears to progress then a couple of days before exchanging contracts, buyer wants a further 10-20% discount no reason given.

This is what happens in England  (a barsteward tried it on me once). In civilised countries like Scotland (and France, I believe) this kind of thing cannot happen.   We poor English must suffer because our politicians  like to support people who cheat and lie.

[katana]

Nigel Farage: Boris Johnson will 'sell out' the UK in post-Brexit trade deal 07/12/20

 

Edited December 7, 2020 by katana

[Hi from France]

it goes the other way now ????

 

The UK again 'hold all the cards'

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Gove has recently defended his claim, implying he meant not that Britain would hold all the best cards, but just that it would hold its own cards.

 

well done, Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, now your claim as a politician is that you are actually able to hold cards. That's realistic. My recommandation is that you hold your cards close to your chest and do not drop them.

 

 

 

..and "We’re nearly there but we are not quite there yet" https://bit.ly/36OyQ8U

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 7, 2020 by Hi from France

[sawadee1947]

3 hours ago, vogie said:

How you don't get suspended with remarks like that is truly mystifying. 

Specify those "remarks". What is not true? What is offending you? 

[7by7]

5 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Jeez man the whole of the EU is built on a lie and betrayal. Where have you been for the last 50 years.

 

How so?

 

Some examples of these lies and betrayals, please.

[7by7]

4 hours ago, vogie said:

How you don't get suspended with remarks like that is truly mystifying. 

 

I am ignorant of the reason why those who often criticise the English of non native born speakers still fail to understand the meaning of  the words ignorant and ignorance.

 

You say you were suspended for using the word; but I suspect there was more to it than just that.

 

Certainly would have been in my days as a Mod.

Edited December 7, 2020 by 7by7
Addendum

[2530Ubon]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

might be nice to get a level playing field eh?

HAHA, that's exactly what the EU want - a level playing field (competition rules)! You just made the EU's point!

[7by7]

The level playing field works both ways; that is why all FTAs have one.

 

I have asked variations of the following question several times before. No Brexiteer who objects to the level playing field has yet attempted an answer.

 

Without the level playing field, EU governments could heavily subsidise exports to the UK in order to undercut UK suppliers; would you be happy with that scenario?

 

Anyone going to answer this time?

[7by7]

[Baerboxer]

10 hours ago, Hi from France said:

So the Brexiteers government chooses access to the European energy market over some fish quota, not a big surprise considering the attractiveness of the offer made.. 

 

 

But "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed" 

 

 

And even if there's a deal, the British government doesn't trust it can speedily import Covid-19 vaccine from Belgium just across the channel 

 

 

 

Now, there are two much bigger hurdles, the first being the UK access to the European market while undermining European standards with low pay or pollution 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/06/major-breakthrough-on-fishing-rights-brings-brexit-deal-closer

 

 

 

The second is the newly-acquired reputation of the Brits as liars, signing a treaty and then reneging 

 

Check which current members of the EU pay low wages and check who the biggest polluters are. 

 

But it's do as we say, not as we do, of course.

[Baerboxer]

2 hours ago, 2530Ubon said:

HAHA, that's exactly what the EU want - a level playing field (competition rules)! You just made the EU's point!

 

Only it's not level. Not all member states interpret the rules the same. Some are rather creative when it suits.

 

Start with France and work you way around. 

[Baerboxer]

3 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

Don't worry the reunification is just around the corner. 

You will lose NI as well as Scotland. ????

 

Absolute nonsense based on no credible fact. 

[CG1 Blue]

9 hours ago, Hi from France said:

I have no doubts that the brits are by tradition honorable and true to their word, with the big exception of some Brexiteers. Some of them are active on this forum ????

This is coming from a man (?) who entered these Brexit threads a couple of months ago claiming to be an innocent and impartial onlooker just seeking opinions from Brits, and then turned out to be a Brit bashing rabid anti-Brexiter. 

I don't think you're in a position to lecture us on honesty or honour monsieur. 

[Baerboxer]

5 hours ago, Hi from France said:

 

now try to explain that to brexiteers, who are persuaded they have been "slaves" for 45 years, payed outrageous sums for EU membership, not to mention the see the EU is a resuscitation of the third Reich... 

 

 

It is a waste of time, all you can do is wait 10-20 years and trust the younger generation will prevail. 

 

...and if the UK is allowed to join again by then, the expectations on benefits and constraints will be clear from the start so that there is no misunderstanding ''You can't have your cake and eat it too''

 

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That's not the point. At no time have the citizens of Britain, or any EU member state been asked if they want "ever further unification, centralization and eventual federalization. An EU army, central budget, central courts etc etc.

 

Interestingly, at some point Ireland will have to change it's common law system to the codified system favored by the EU and France. Interesting to see how the Irish react to that.

 

Germany, on the other hand, has already rules that it's courts and constitutional law trump EU law and courts. 

 

Poland and Hungary are being threatened with severe financial punishments for daring to want their laws to trump EU ones.

 

Hmmm. One big happy Union in which all member states are equal, apart from those that are more equal! 

[Scott]

7 hours ago, vogie said:

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How you don't get suspended with remarks like that is truly mystifying. 

Oh, he has.  He most certainly has.

 

[7by7]

22 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

That's not the point. At no time have the citizens of Britain, or any EU member state been asked if they want "ever further unification, centralization and eventual federalization. An EU army, central budget, central courts etc etc.

 When does your crystal ball tell you all this will happen?

 

23 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

Interestingly, at some point Ireland will have to change it's common law system to the codified system favored by the EU and France. Interesting to see how the Irish react to that.

Why?

 

24 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

Germany, on the other hand, has already rules that it's courts and constitutional law trump EU law and courts. 

You're being rather cavalier with the facts, there. The Germans have challenged a ruling of the ECJ in one particular case, the outcome of which has yet to be determined.

 

30 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

Poland and Hungary are being threatened with severe financial punishments for daring to want their laws to trump EU ones.

Poland and Hungary are rapidly becoming dictatorships whose governments refuse to adhere to the rule of law and are interfering with the independence of the judiciary, abusing human rights, increasing state control of other institutions, including the media etc., etc.!

 

All of which breaks the Copenhagen criteria for EU membership which they agreed to adhere to when they joined.

 

Of course, if the governments of Poland and Hungary want to remain dictatorships without EU sanctions then there is nothing to stop them from triggering Article 50 and leaving the EU.

 

41 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Hmmm. One big happy Union in which all member states are equal, apart from those that are more equal! 

 

Your paraphrasing of Orwell doesn't work. Each member state has an equal vote in the Council; each member state has an equal number of Commissioners; each member state has an equal number of judges sitting in the ECJ. Etc., etc..

[candide]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

That's not the point. At no time have the citizens of Britain, or any EU member state been asked if they want "ever further unification, centralization and eventual federalization. An EU army, central budget, central courts etc etc.

 

Interestingly, at some point Ireland will have to change it's common law system to the codified system favored by the EU and France. Interesting to see how the Irish react to that.

 

Germany, on the other hand, has already rules that it's courts and constitutional law trump EU law and courts. 

 

Poland and Hungary are being threatened with severe financial punishments for daring to want their laws to trump EU ones.

 

Hmmm. One big happy Union in which all member states are equal, apart from those that are more equal! 

Two questions:

Apart from Switzerland, in which country are citizen directly consulted for strategic choices their government makes?

 

Would you accept the undemocratic rules Poland and Hungary apply (or want to) in your country?

[Hi from France]

2 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

This is coming from a man (?) who entered these Brexit threads a couple of months ago claiming to be an innocent and impartial onlooker just seeking opinions from Brits, and then turned out to be a Brit bashing rabid anti-Brexiter. 

I beg to differ

 

If you read my posts, I do appreciate the contributions of different posters, including some brexiteers (especially when they point out some of my mistakes with relevant sources) and disagree some on the opposite side (though clearly less).

 

You also have seen I am quite pro-brexit, as I think the European Union is better off now and has been able to act decisively like never before like with the €1.8 trillion covid recovery plan.

 

 

Yes I do believe that this brexit is a car crash, and I do admit it's not all rosy in the EU, quite the opposite

 

 

 

I am pro-Europe and never claimed to be innocent nor impartial

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I'm an anglophile (did part of my studies in the UK with Erasmus), very interested in Brexit.

and do admit after the initial shock and awe of Brexit  in 2016, I did experience some Schadenfreude seeing how the successive UK governments messed up things and how empty slogans turned into harsh reality.

 

 

 

I am really an anglophile, I read more british press than french press and not only the anti-brexit press, I spend do a bit of time watching inquiries by the british parliament or reading the diversity of opinions here or even https://www.telegraph.co.uk/brexit/ like :

 

 

 

Edited December 7, 2020 by Hi from France

[david555]

 

This should be cancelled unconditionally not any conditions if U.K. would like to give trust and good faith........

on conditions as mentioned it only looks like BLACKMAIL ......eg. give me what i wish and then i dont break international law and signed treaty ....

 

Realy no shame Boris has  ...

 

 

 

 

Edited December 7, 2020 by david555

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The chemical conglomerate, controlled by prominent Brexit supporter Sir Jim Ratcliffe, said it will build the vehicles at the former Mercedes-Benz factory in Hambach, Moselle, following a deal with the German carmaker.

 

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[RayC]

Every Brexit thread I read seems to have an ad entitled 'Fire Deals - ...' at the bottom. Coincidence or prediction?