Trump keeps up false claims of widespread fraud at Georgia rally for U.S. senators

[heybruce]

7 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Comparing that awful unjust slaughter to Covid or anything Trump has done is a total joke. I really can't believe how some say he is the worst president ever when Bush was not very long ago and Obama even less. I hope the people going after Trump haven't forgotten the previous ones. 

Bush Jr was an idiot who got the US into an unnecessary war in Iraq before finishing the justified war in Afghanistan.  In both cases he had no plan for ending the wars when things went bad.  He also wrecked the US economy by following Republican orthodoxy which believes tax cuts are always good and deficits only matter when there is a Democrat in the White House.

 

Obama took over with two unfinished wars, the economy in free fall and a trillion dollar plus deficit.  He couldn't fix all that was wrong, but he left the country, and especially the economy and the country's international alliances, in far better shape than they were when he took office.

 

Trump has done possibly irreparable damage to international alliances, for him "America First" means America alone.  This has greatly advantaged China, Russia, and despots everywhere.  He also took a strong economy with a falling deficit, gave it a brief sugar high with massive deficit spending, and then crippled it with his incompetent handling of the pandemic.  He hasn't started any new wars overtly, but greatly ramped up drone strikes and increased civilian casualties.  He also hasn't finished any of the existing wars that he inherited.

 

Your hope has been full-filled; the people going after Trump have not forgotten the previous Presidents.

[bendejo]

2 hours ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

Just imagine how great he is going to be at keeping national secrets when he is out of office and craving attention.

 

I suspect this is being considered at some level, and the concept has been in play since the secret Kisliak-Lavrov meeting at the start of the term.  I would suspect that there is already some sort of unspoken protocol for dealing with his sycophants, such as the morons he's been packing into the Pentagon since he lost the election.  A question that will come up in the near future is "is treason pardonable?"

 

 

[Tippaporn]

8 minutes ago, bendejo said:

 

I suspect this is being considered at some level, and the concept has been in play since the secret Kisliak-Lavrov meeting at the start of the term.  I would suspect that there is already some sort of unspoken protocol for dealing with his sycophants, such as the morons he's been packing into the Pentagon since he lost the election.  A question that will come up in the near future is "is treason pardonable?"

I thought this topic was about "Trump keeps up false claims of widespread fraud at Georgia rally for U.S. senators?"  Can we talk about anything here?

[bendejo]

7 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

we have hypersonic and hydrosonic

 

Hydrosonic missiles propelled by Niagara Falls to attack Canada, who has the threatened to flood the US with poutine and back bacon.

Putin did a similar announcement not long ago

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43239331

 

 

[joecoolfrog]

17 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   Just completely bored of reading the same thing every day and having the same discussion everyday , a discussion which will get deleted for going off topic

Ok so you participate in a thread centred on Trump's falsehoods , and complain about discussions on err Trump's falsehoods.

Now if this was a discussion about the best method of producing custard , you would have a fair point , but its not so you dont !

[joecoolfrog]

17 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I thought this topic was about "Trump keeps up false claims of widespread fraud at Georgia rally for U.S. senators?"  Can we talk about anything here?

I think sedition is in play so why would that not be relevant to this thread.

You may argue that the sedition is moot because Trump will hide behind the shaky boundaries of ' free speach ' , you cannot though in truth pretend it is in the interests of the USA.

[pomchop]

Coming soon.  Trump and his brain dead cult will attack the Supreme court for being part of the massive democrat conspiracy that involved 10 or more states, ,many run by republicans who have done everything possible to gerrymander and suppress miniority votes for decades.

 

Isn't it truly amazing that Trump and his cult who constantly talk about how incompetent democrats are now want to claim that these very democrats somehow miraculously rigged the election in several states without leaving behind a scrap of evidence and got the republican legislators and election officials to participate?  Wow surely the dems must be beyond genius to pull off this tin hat conspiracy.  And now they have even managed to infiltrate the supreme court, 3 of which were appointed by Trump himself.  GROW A BRAIN.  Biden won, Trump lost.  Put down the kool aid cups, man up and don't be a sore loser much less an idiot.  
Everybody makes mistakes.  It's ok that you got conned but now that you know it was all a con move on and don't continue to wallow in delusions.

 

 

"The Supreme Court on Tuesday denied a request from Pennsylvania Republicans to block certification of the commonwealth's election results, delivering a near fatal blow to the GOP's long-shot bid to invalidate President-elect Joe Biden's victory.

The Supreme Court's action is a crushing loss for Trump, who suggested as late as Tuesday that he thought the justices -- including three of his nominees -- might step in and take his side as he has continually and falsely suggested there was massive voter fraud during the election.

The one-line order was issued with no noted dissents."

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Just to give an idea of how derange this lawsuit is:

"The claims in Texas’ lawsuit “are false and irresponsible,” Georgia’s deputy secretary of state, Jordan Fuchs, said in a fiery statement shortly after Paxton announced the legal action.

“Texas alleges that there are 80,000 forged signatures on absentee ballots in Georgia, but they don’t bring forward a single person who this happened to. That’s because it didn’t happen,” Fuchs’ statement said."

Texas sues four battleground states in Supreme Court over 'unlawful election results' (cnbc.com)

 

And given how insistent conservative justices are on the issue of states' rights under federalism, it's bizarre to believe that it will even grant Texas standing to bring this lawsuit. Paxton claims Texas has standing because the vice-President will be a crucial vote in the Senate since the margins are so close. It's laughable

As I recall, there were thaivisa.com members who claimed that because so many lawsuits were being filed by various Trump supporters, that must mean they had a solid legal grounding. History has shown us otherwise. This is just another junk lawsuit.

Edited December 8, 2020 by Scott

[Scott]

A post violating Fair Use Policy has been removed along with numerous replies.  

 

[Tippaporn]

This suit could be monumental and takes it directly to the Supreme Court.  Texas was able to approach the Supreme Court because Article III grants it status as the 'court of first impression' where it has original jurisdiction, such as when two states are in dispute.

 

What it is claiming, in essence, is that those states who did not legally follow their election laws have a detrimental and nullifying effect on the votes cast by the state of Texas.  This includes GA.  I'd have to double check but I believe the impact of a potential SC ruling requiring the tossing of ballots which the SC deems were affected by these states ignoring their state laws could flip some of these states.

 

STATE OF TEXAS, Plaintiff, v. COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA, STATE OF GEORGIA, STATE OF MICHIGAN, AND STATE OF WISCONSIN, Defendants.

 

From the filing:

 

This case presents a question of law: Did the Defendant States violate the Electors Clause by taking non-legislative actions to change the election rules that would govern the appointment of presidential electors? These non-legislative changes to the Defendant States’ election laws facilitated the casting and counting of ballots in violation of state law, which, in turn, violated the Electors Clause of Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution. By these unlawful acts, the Defendant States have not only tainted the integrity of their own citizens’ vote, but their actions have also debased the votes of citizens in Plaintiff State and other States that remained loyal to the Constitution.

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[bendejo]

2 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

I think sedition is in play so why would that not be relevant to this thread.

You may argue that the sedition is moot because Trump will hide behind the shaky boundaries of ' free speach ' , you cannot though in truth pretend it is in the interests of the USA.

 

And patriotism.  No one is more patriotic than DT, everyone knows that and you know it (as he would put it).  He would never do something to betray his country.  Have you ever seen anyone else actually hug the flag the way he does?  Someone who does such a thing cannot possibly be faking it.

 

 

 

[J Town]

14 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

STATE OF TEXAS, Plaintiff, v. COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA, STATE OF GEORGIA, STATE OF MICHIGAN, AND STATE OF WISCONSIN, Defendants.

This is a Hail Mary pass for people who have been brainwashed into sending money to a self-proclaimed billionaire.

 

This will be quickly thrown out as have the previous lawsuits.

Try this on for size cuz it's the truth:

45 lost.

Say it again, it will eventually sink in.

45 lost.

[placeholder]

17 minutes ago, bendejo said:

 

And patriotism.  No one is more patriotic than DT, everyone knows that and you know it (as he would put it).  He would never do something to betray his country.  Have you ever seen anyone else actually hug the flag the way he does?  Someone who does such a thing cannot possibly be faking it.

 

 

 

As monumental as the Pennsylvania case the Supreme Court just threw out without comment and without even one dissent?

"The U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday rejected a last-ditch Republican request to block President-elect Joe Biden’s victory in Pennsylvania, dealing another blow to supporters of President Trump who have contested the Nov. 3 election across the country.

The court, in a routine one-sentence order, denied a bid by a Pennsylvania congressman and other Republicans who were pressing an emergency challenge to the state’s vote-by-mail system, enacted by its legislature in 2019.

“The application for injunctive relief presented to Justice Alito and by him referred to the Court is denied,” the order said."

Supreme Court Denies Long-Shot Republican Bid to Block Pennsylvania Election Results for Joe Biden - WSJ

 

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[bendejo]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

As monumental as the Pennsylvania case the Supreme Court just threw out without comment and without even one dissent?

"The U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday rejected a last-ditch Republican request to block President-elect Joe Biden’s victory in Pennsylvania, dealing another blow to supporters of President Trump who have contested the Nov. 3 election across the country.

The court, in a routine one-sentence order, denied a bid by a Pennsylvania congressman and other Republicans who were pressing an emergency challenge to the state’s vote-by-mail system, enacted by its legislature in 2019.

“The application for injunctive relief presented to Justice Alito and by him referred to the Court is denied,” the order said."

Supreme Court Denies Long-Shot Republican Bid to Block Pennsylvania Election Results for Joe Biden - WSJ

 

 

So it's true that great minds do think alike!  I just posted that very quote under a different thread here.

 

 

[Sujo]

31 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

This suit could be monumental and takes it directly to the Supreme Court.  Texas was able to approach the Supreme Court because Article III grants it status as the 'court of first impression' where it has original jurisdiction, such as when two states are in dispute.

 

What it is claiming, in essence, is that those states who did not legally follow their election laws have a detrimental and nullifying effect on the votes cast by the state of Texas.  This includes GA.  I'd have to double check but I believe the impact of a potential SC ruling requiring the tossing of ballots which the SC deems were affected by these states ignoring their state laws could flip some of these states.

 

STATE OF TEXAS, Plaintiff, v. COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA, STATE OF GEORGIA, STATE OF MICHIGAN, AND STATE OF WISCONSIN, Defendants.

 

From the filing:

 

This case presents a question of law: Did the Defendant States violate the Electors Clause by taking non-legislative actions to change the election rules that would govern the appointment of presidential electors? These non-legislative changes to the Defendant States’ election laws facilitated the casting and counting of ballots in violation of state law, which, in turn, violated the Electors Clause of Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution. By these unlawful acts, the Defendant States have not only tainted the integrity of their own citizens’ vote, but their actions have also debased the votes of citizens in Plaintiff State and other States that remained loyal to the Constitution.

They wont hear it. Even by some miracle they accept it the decision will take over a year to be handed down, making any decision moot.

 

you excitement of the Pa lawsuit in the supreme court was unfounded, as is this.

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

I am talking about USA deaths as your great hero says he only cares about America (more likely only him self)

Incredible, but I never expected you to admit you were wrong.

 

 

FritsSikkink

Posted 19 hours ago

On 12/8/2020 at 9:32 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

A lot of lives were lost because of it.

While Trump may lie ( as most politicians do IMO ) the death toll because of them is somewhat less than in Iraq.

Not true at all, way more people died in the USA because of his Covid lies.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, pomchop said:

Coming soon.  Trump and his brain dead cult will attack the Supreme court for being part of the massive democrat conspiracy that involved 10 or more states, ,

and his brain dead cult will attack the Supreme court

 

I don't think the laugh icon on the post box is sufficient, so

 

Edited December 9, 2020 by thaibeachlovers

[henry2109]

45 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

This suit could be monumental and takes it directly to the Supreme Court.  Texas was able to approach the Supreme Court because Article III grants it status as the 'court of first impression' where it has original jurisdiction, such as when two states are in dispute.

 

 

You identify yourself as a real trumpster in the first sentence. Brainwashed all the way down. Over 40 cases with "great evidence" have been thrown out of the courts, and then there comes another case. And this case must be "momumental" or "biblical". And only one or two days later, also this case has gone down the drain. But there is .... the next one, which must be ...

[Scott]

Off-topic post reported and removed.

 

[Phoenix Rising]

12 hours ago, placeholder said:

Why the gratuitous insults at Trump supporters? Yes, they're mostly very ignorant of public policy and government affairs in general. As is Trump. But ignorance is not the same thing as intelligence.

Gratuitous?? Completely justifiable IMO. When you attend a rally where people are packed together like sardines and no one's wearing masks, listening to a moron spewing lies while chanting "USA, USA, USA!" you should expect and accept some a lot of criticism.

[placeholder]

4 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Gratuitous?? Completely justifiable IMO. When you attend a rally where people are packed together like sardines and no one's wearing masks, listening to a moron spewing lies while chanting "USA, USA, USA!" you should expect and accept some a lot of criticism.

For willful igorance, selfishness, gullibility, hero-worship and irresponsibility yes. For statements like your repugnant characterization of their IQs, not so much.

[Phoenix Rising]

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

This suit could be monumental.....

Sorry, couldn't get past the opening 5 words since you die-hards have been writing the exact same thing pretty much every day since the election loser (by a record breaking 7 mil. votes!) started terrorizing the courts with these inane lawsuits.

[FritsSikkink]

Even the Supreme Court doesn't want to do anything with Trump's BS:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/supreme-court-shuts-down-trump-campaigns-last-ditch-pa-appeal/vi-BB1bKIUG?ocid=spartandhp

 

[Tippaporn]

On 12/7/2020 at 11:01 AM, Tippaporn said:

The required signatures is 29 for the Senate and 91 for the House before 9 AM, Tuesday, December 8, 2020.  While I haven't been able to verify Kemp's ability to prevent this special session my feeling is that I doubt he could.  Article II of the Constitution grants authority to the state legislature to choose electors and that is why I doubt Kemp could prevent them from convening as it would prevent them fulfilling their chosen Constitutional obligations.

And here's my update on this point.

 

This is a statement by Governor Kemp which cites state law.  State law cannot override the Constitution.  Therefore his statement is at best misleading.

 

Gov. Kemp, Lt. Gov. Duncan Issue Statement on Request for Special Session of General Assembly

 

"State law is clear: the legislature could only direct an alternative method for choosing presidential electors if the election was not able to be held on the date set by federal law. In the 1960s, the General Assembly decided that Georgia’s presidential electors will be determined by the winner of the state’s popular vote. Any attempt by the legislature to retroactively change that process for the November 3rd election would be unconstitutional and immediately enjoined by the courts, resulting in a long legal dispute and no short-term resolution."

 

Kemp has no authority under Article II and cannot prevent the state legislature from exercising their constitutional power.  That's what I had initially thought based purely on common sense.  If the legislature is granted the power to choose electors by the Constitution then the Governor cannot prevent them from exercising their Constitutional power.  Only state legislatures have that Constitutional authority.

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

And here's my update on this point.

 

This is a statement by Governor Kemp which cites state law.  State law cannot override the Constitution.  Therefore his statement is at best misleading.

 

Gov. Kemp, Lt. Gov. Duncan Issue Statement on Request for Special Session of General Assembly

 

"State law is clear: the legislature could only direct an alternative method for choosing presidential electors if the election was not able to be held on the date set by federal law. In the 1960s, the General Assembly decided that Georgia’s presidential electors will be determined by the winner of the state’s popular vote. Any attempt by the legislature to retroactively change that process for the November 3rd election would be unconstitutional and immediately enjoined by the courts, resulting in a long legal dispute and no short-term resolution.

 

Kemp has no authority under Article II and cannot prevent the state legislature from exercising their constitutional power.  That's what I had initially thought based purely on common sense.  If the legislature is granted the power to choose electors by the Constitution then the Governor cannot prevent them from exercising their Constitutional power.  Only state legislatures have that Constitutional authority.

You're still not providing any proof of fraud.  If you don't, then please stop trolling with this stuff.  It's all BS.  Stunning you can't accept what's transpired.  Stunning.

[Jeffr2]

3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

And here's my update on this point.

 

This is a statement by Governor Kemp which cites state law.  State law cannot override the Constitution.  Therefore his statement is at best misleading.

 

Gov. Kemp, Lt. Gov. Duncan Issue Statement on Request for Special Session of General Assembly

 

"State law is clear: the legislature could only direct an alternative method for choosing presidential electors if the election was not able to be held on the date set by federal law. In the 1960s, the General Assembly decided that Georgia’s presidential electors will be determined by the winner of the state’s popular vote. Any attempt by the legislature to retroactively change that process for the November 3rd election would be unconstitutional and immediately enjoined by the courts, resulting in a long legal dispute and no short-term resolution.

 

Kemp has no authority under Article II and cannot prevent the state legislature from exercising their constitutional power.  That's what I had initially thought based purely on common sense.  If the legislature is granted the power to choose electors by the Constitution then the Governor cannot prevent them from exercising their Constitutional power.  Only state legislatures have that Constitutional authority.

You conveniently left this out.  Figures.  Talk about trying to spin this.  Stop trolling.

 

Quote

 

"While we understand four members of the Georgia Senate are requesting the convening of a special session of the General Assembly, doing this in order to select a separate slate of presidential electors is not an option that is allowed under state or federal law.

 

"State law is clear: the legislature could only direct an alternative method for choosing presidential electors if the election was not able to be held on the date set by federal law. In the 1960s, the General Assembly decided that Georgia’s presidential electors will be determined by the winner of the state’s popular vote. Any attempt by the legislature to retroactively change that process for the November 3rd election would be unconstitutional and immediately enjoined by the courts, resulting in a long legal dispute and no short-term resolution.

 

"The judicial system remains the only viable - and quickest - option in disputing the results of the November 3rd election in Georgia."

 

 

[Sujo]

17 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

And here's my update on this point.

 

This is a statement by Governor Kemp which cites state law.  State law cannot override the Constitution.  Therefore his statement is at best misleading.

 

Gov. Kemp, Lt. Gov. Duncan Issue Statement on Request for Special Session of General Assembly

 

"State law is clear: the legislature could only direct an alternative method for choosing presidential electors if the election was not able to be held on the date set by federal law. In the 1960s, the General Assembly decided that Georgia’s presidential electors will be determined by the winner of the state’s popular vote. Any attempt by the legislature to retroactively change that process for the November 3rd election would be unconstitutional and immediately enjoined by the courts, resulting in a long legal dispute and no short-term resolution.

 

Kemp has no authority under Article II and cannot prevent the state legislature from exercising their constitutional power.  That's what I had initially thought based purely on common sense.  If the legislature is granted the power to choose electors by the Constitution then the Governor cannot prevent them from exercising their Constitutional power.  Only state legislatures have that Constitutional authority.

Hows your law degree going? Better write a brief to the supreme court quick.

[onthedarkside]

A lot of the recent posts in this thread have gone WAY off topic, into legitimate but not pertaining to this thread topics of CV deaths, messiahs, IQ levels, U.S. wars, etc etc... Those off-topic posts have been removed, as will any continuations of those diversions.

 

Also, there are running separate threads on the U.S. Supreme Court ruling on the Pennsylvania election challenge, and the new challenge by the state of Texas. Comments on those respective cases should be directed to the pertinent threads.

 

PENNSYLVANIA:

 

TEXAS:

 

[Tippaporn]

4 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

You're still not providing any proof of fraud.  If you don't, then please stop trolling with this stuff.  It's all BS.  Stunning you can't accept what's transpired.  Stunning.

The proof is all around you.  MSM not reporting it and the sources that do are considered "questionable," LOL.  I'd love to post the evidence.  It would be a full time job.  Here's what you do.  Google election fraud on DuckDuckGo.  Or check out the Twitter feeds of folks like Sidney Powell and Lin Wood.  Those two would take you to numerous other folks on Twitter via replies and retweets.  If you're afraid to find fraud then don't look.  But again, don't ask me.  I'd love to but I can't.  Your system, not mine.

[Tippaporn]

4 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

You conveniently left this out.  Figures.  Talk about trying to spin this.  Stop trolling.

I can only laugh since there's nothing else within Kemp's statement that shows he has any kind of authority to prevent the legislature from calling a special session if they have the votes to do so.  Read Article II of the Constitution.  Check out some legal sites.  Do some real work.

 

So point to what in my post was spun or left out or even erroneous?

 

As to the trolling accusation.  People can falsely accuse all they want.  Doesn't bother me in the least.  It's your life.  If you want to accuse someone of something you just made up and believe it to be true then knock yourself out.