UK tells EU: back down by Sunday night or we'll walk

[CorpusChristie]

4 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Why is the UK still negotiating and talking to us four years after they said they wanted to leave?

Just go, it's all we want.

 

  We've gone , left on 20th January 2020 .

The UK is currently in the process of making trade deals with various Countries and trading blocs, which you are one of .

[bannork]

2 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Look, both side want to continue the talks , its rather stupid of one side to suggest they have the upper hand because the other side is still in talks with them .

  Both the UK and the EU both want a deal and the UK has recently signed numerous deals with various other Countries , which shows that the UK is reasonable with their requirements .

   No other Country has played hard ball like the E.U.

The EU is not a country, it's a single FTA market, and that is what it is determined to protect. 

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2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  We've gone , left on 20th January 2020 .

The UK is currently in the process of making trade deals with various Countries and trading blocs, which you are one of .

And the universally observed economic phenomenon that countries trade more with those that are closest won't matter in this case because Brexit is Magic.

[CorpusChristie]

Just now, bannork said:

The EU is not a country, it's a single FTA market, and that is what it is determined to protect. 

 

  Really ?

I was wondering why they don't have a football team 

[robblok]

17 minutes ago, bannork said:

The EU is not a country, it's a single FTA market, and that is what it is determined to protect. 

Its strange that the Brexiteers don't seem to want to compete on fair grounds. I never saw the problem of upholding certain minimum standards for environment and labor and state support.  If the standards are too low they can always have higher standards. 

 

But if the Brits have so much of a problem with it they probably want lower standards.. worse standards for those working and the environment. Bit like a 3rd world country. 

[vogie]

11 minutes ago, robblok said:

Its strange that the Brexiteers don't seem to want to compete on fair grounds. I never saw the problem of upholding certain minimum standards for environment and labor and state support.  If the standards are too low they can always have higher standards. 

 

But if the Brits have so much of a problem with it they probably want lower standards.. worse standards for those working and the environment. Bit like a 3rd world country. 

I know you are just trying to stir the pot Rob but in most cases our standards are much higher than the EUs, why should we have to lower our standards just to suit the EU. 

[JonnyF]

17 minutes ago, robblok said:

Its strange that the Brexiteers don't seem to want to compete on fair grounds. I never saw the problem of upholding certain minimum standards for environment and labor and state support.  If the standards are too low they can always have higher standards. 

 

But if the Brits have so much of a problem with it they probably want lower standards.. worse standards for those working and the environment. Bit like a 3rd world country. 

Fair? What's fair about following the EU's laws?

 

Maybe we should propose they follow all our laws seeing as many of our standards are actually higher than theirs. See what they say. What's the problem Michel? You want to keep lower standards? Tsk tsk.

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

I know you are just trying to stir the pot Rob but in most cases our standards are much higher than the EUs, why should we have to lower our standards just to suit the EU. 

Exactly. It's about control, not standards. 

[GrandPapillon]

10 hours ago, Bruntoid said:

Tee Hee - so another Bojo blustering bravado deadline comes and goes ...another red line turns into a diluted pink 

 

Get Brexit done ????????????

 

Wait, are you saying that Boris is extending the deadline again? how we didn't see that one coming ????

Edited December 14, 2020 by GrandPapillon

[Surelynot]

Just now, GrandPapillon said:

 

Wait, are you saying that Boris is extending the deadline again? ????

It is like someone on death row threatening to kill themselves if you don't hurry up and execute them.

[GrandPapillon]

5 hours ago, petermik said:

 

A kind of Singapore on Thames is exactly what is feared most in Berlin and this is why Germany will do everything it takes to avoid a trade war and to get Monsieur Barnier and France off their high horse.

It seems BJ is holding the far better cards....

pipedream

[Surelynot]

Just now, GrandPapillon said:

pipedream

Boris Island

Boris Bridge

Boris Tunnel

Boris Water cannons

Boris bullßhit

[bannork]

4 hours ago, vogie said:

^You mean he is going to do what the electorate asked him to do, oh how awful. ^

The mere 37 % of the electorate that voted to leave never told The PM how to leave. One reason the referendum was stupid.

[GrandPapillon]

3 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Both sides had an agreement that Sunday would be the last day of talks , both sides were due to "walk away"

The EU side can't say they won't extend the deadline because that would be an exit strategy for Boris to blame the EU

 

so at the end, the extension is on the UK side, and Boris just blinked publicly in broad daylight

 

UK: -1, EU: 2

[GrandPapillon]

11 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Boris Island

Boris Bridge

Boris Tunnel

Boris Water cannons

Boris bullßhit

Boris Oven Ready Deal ????

[Surelynot]

Just now, GrandPapillon said:

Boris Oven Ready Deal ????

Damn

[GrandPapillon]

8 minutes ago, bannork said:

The mere 37 % of the electorate that voted to leave never told The PM how to leave. One reason the referendum was stupid.

there was a need for a 2nd referendum, quite suspicious and stupid of Theresa May of not going for it, maybe it would have saved her job, the silly bint ???? 

Edited December 14, 2020 by GrandPapillon

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, bannork said:

The EU is not a country, it's a single FTA market, and that is what it is determined to protect. 

and if it had stayed a common market instead of trying to be a political union the UK would still be in it.

[vinny41]

2 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

The EU side can't say they won't extend the deadline because that would be an exit strategy for Boris to blame the EU

 

so at the end, the extension is on the UK side, and Boris just blinked publicly in broad daylight

 

UK: -1, EU: 2

The word is the EU have made some concessions hence talks extended

UK 2 EU 0

[Surelynot]

Just now, vinny41 said:

The word is the EU have made some concessions hence talks extended

UK 2 EU 0

Well let's hope so.....????

[robblok]

43 minutes ago, vogie said:

I know you are just trying to stir the pot Rob but in most cases our standards are much higher than the EUs, why should we have to lower our standards just to suit the EU. 

If that is the case then BJ would have agreed already as there would be no problem. There is never a problem having better standards. The only reason not to agree is if your standards are lower.

 

Its all about logic, something missing in your post. 

[GrandPapillon]

7 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

The word is the EU have made some concessions hence talks extended

UK 2 EU 0

naahh, Boris blinked, the EU deal was always the same, they can't change terms without the EU27 approval, and that time has gone already

 

Boris has just showed his hand, the EU knows it, the World knows it, and his fans know it

 

he is not going to be able to do his little dance for another 2 weeks, nobody is looking at it anymore ????

[JonnyF]

8 minutes ago, robblok said:

If that is the case then BJ would have agreed already as there would be no problem. There is never a problem having better standards. The only reason not to agree is if your standards are lower.

 

Its all about logic, something missing in your post. 

But that IS the case. Our standards are higher in many areas so let the EU follow us if alignment is so important to them.

 

However, we already told you the real reason. The EU wants continued control over the UK whereas the UK wants control over it's own laws. That is the crux of the issue. Not who has the highest standards. That's a red herring.

[vinny41]

7 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

naahh, Boris blinked, the EU deal was always the same, they can't change terms without the EU27 approval, and that time has gone already

 

Boris has just showed his hand, the EU knows it, the World knows it, and his fans know it

 

he is not going to be able to do his little dance for another 2 weeks, nobody is looking at it anymore ????

You need to get out more you you search the internet you will see that the EU has made some concessions hence talks extended

[vinny41]

10 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

But that IS the case. Our standards are higher in many areas so let the EU follow us if alignment is so important to them.

 

However, we already told you the real reason. The EU wants continued control over the UK whereas the UK wants control over it's own laws. That is the crux of the issue. Not who has the highest standards. That's a red herring.

Here is a good example which the UK is able to do now its now longer in the EU

England and Wales to ban live animal exports in European first

Previously, EU rules prevented any changes to these journeys, but leaving the EU has enabled the UK government to pursue these plans,” Defra said.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/03/uk-to-become-first-country-in-europe-to-ban-live-animal-exports

 

Will the EU implement similar changes to their rules

[vogie]

54 minutes ago, bannork said:

The mere 37 % of the electorate that voted to leave never told The PM how to leave. One reason the referendum was stupid.

Two choices......... Remain or Leave, 52% of the electorate told the govt to leave, and despite 3 years of the remainers tantrums and trying to overturn a democratic vote, they failed.

[vogie]

47 minutes ago, robblok said:

If that is the case then BJ would have agreed already as there would be no problem. There is never a problem having better standards. The only reason not to agree is if your standards are lower.

 

Its all about logic, something missing in your post. 

The EU still want to control us, the have said that if they change a rule and the UK doesn't comply that they want the power to punish us. Does that sound like regaining our sovereignty?

[sandyf]

4 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Was referring to the current talks , was suggesting the talks should finish and the separation can be finalised 

The separation has been finalised, and written into law. Separation and trade are subject to separate agreements.

Walking away was never an option, you cannot "walk away" from a shared border unless you are looking at "North Korea" terms.

From day one leaving was always a double deal, administration and trade. It is a bit  ironic that had TM got her way and they had addressed trade first who knows where we would be now.

Fortunately the EU saw the danger and have protected the administrative aspects of dealing with the EU under the Withdrawal Agreement. The contingency measures cannot possibly be conditional on something that is already a legal requirement. The administrative level playing field has been legally established since the UK left the EU in January.

The current negotiations are all about how trade will be conducted following the transition period and the WA will still be applicable whether the UK trades under an FTA or the WTO.

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, Surelynot said:

Damn

The oven ready deal referred to the WA, not the FTA.

 

The WA was finalized a year ago.

 

Nice try though.

[sandyf]

11 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I know I voted. It didn't say anything such as with a deal. Leave and remain and those people who voted all knew what it meant. If they didn't then it is their fault and nobody else.

Only a detailed white paper would have told the public what brexit really meant.

The Scottish government published a 650 page white paper, which probably cost them a lot of votes. It is much easier to mislead people verbally than it is in writing, something Bojo has honed to perfection.