UK tells EU: back down by Sunday night or we'll walk

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

Haha a brexiteer giving me lessons on bigotry - did you look up racism, xenophobia and economically illiterate  while you were at it ? 
 

However to continue to depressingly dumb it down yet again it’s not even an assertion. The YOUNG voted overwhelmingly to remain but the OLD outvoted for them. It’s that simple. The old got Brexit over the line and the younger generations were shafted as a result! Cheers Grandad 
 

Now short of putting everything in upper case, let me know if that’s sunk in now. 

Ah the racist card, always a safe bet when you've run out of arguments. Please provide a link to any of my posts that have indicated racism, otherwise kindly stfup ????.

 

Grandad? ???? Not exactly my bigoted friend. Carry on making wildly incorrect assumptions though, nothing says a lack of intellect quite like wildly inaccurate guesses.

 

How exactly are the young getting shafted?  Quite the reverse, they've been freed from a life of their taxes being collected by the EU and handed out to basket case economies like Greece. Still, I doubt benefit dossers like you have paid any tax in their lives.???? 

[Phulublub]

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Quite the reverse, they've been freed from a life of their taxes being collected by the EU and handed out to basket case economies like Greece.

Wrong (again).  The EU doe snot collect any tazes.  At all.

 

The economic cost of Brexit is already more than our net contributions to the budget for many years, a situation that will only get worse.  It may already be approaching the entire UK contributions since we joined.  There is zero rational economic argument for leaving the largest free trade area in the World.  Zero, none, zilch, nada.

 

PH

[Bruntoid]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Ah the racist card, always a safe bet when you've run out of arguments. Please provide a link to any of my posts that have indicated racism, otherwise kindly stfup ????.

 

Grandad? ???? Not exactly my bigoted friend. Carry on making wildly incorrect assumptions though, nothing says a lack of intellect quite like wildly inaccurate guesses.

 

How exactly are the young getting shafted?  Quite the reverse, they've been freed from a life of their taxes being collected by the EU and handed out to basket case economies like Greece. Still, I doubt benefit dossers like you have paid any tax in their lives.???? 

Ouch - getting a little tetchy eh ? Never show the enemy your soft flank. 

 

They got shafted because they didn’t want it, I must have told you that 5 of 6 times now ? Go to the demographic polls and see just how much they didn’t want it. Brexiteers will be dead in the next decade or two and the young will stil be here with a situation they didn’t want. Restricted job opportunities , more complicated travel, and still paying through the nose for your damage. 
 

However to claim racism played no part in brexit just tops the ludicrous claims you’ve made! It was central, only few Brexiteers will admit it, however off camera they will bore the <deleted> out of you confirming it. 
 

I will never have to worry about the next bill in my lifetime again so I guess over the years I must have paid a few quid to HMRC and continue to pay my taxes. My very expensive accountant confirms that so fret not.  
 

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Wrong (again).  The EU doe snot collect any tazes.  At all.

 

The economic cost of Brexit is already more than our net contributions to the budget for many years, a situation that will only get worse.  It may already be approaching the entire UK contributions since we joined.  There is zero rational economic argument for leaving the largest free trade area in the World.  Zero, none, zilch, nada.

 

PH

The EU is partially funded by contributions from member states which includes monies collected via taxation of the citizens of those member states.

 

Putting multiple layers in between doesn't fool anyone. Neither does it fool anyone when they return a percentage of the money collected and claim these are "EU funded projects", putting EU flags everywhere.

 

A joke of an organization. Still, they fool the stupid.

 

 

[Bruntoid]

6 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Wrong (again).  The EU doe snot collect any tazes.  At all.

 

The economic cost of Brexit is already more than our net contributions to the budget for many years, a situation that will only get worse.  It may already be approaching the entire UK contributions since we joined.  There is zero rational economic argument for leaving the largest free trade area in the World.  Zero, none, zilch, nada.

 

PH

 

But don’t forget economics don’t matter to a brexiteer - they’ve said so on here. Jobs ? Pah - who needs em. Taxes yeah yeah not important - as long as we get those pesky foreigners out (they often discuss it in the Indian/Chinese takeaways) ????

 

20,000 EXTRA foreign workers permits next year to pick fruit and veg as the Brits are too bone idle is so so funny! 

[Phulublub]

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

The EU is partially funded by contributions from member states which includes monies collected via taxation of the citizens of those member states.

I agree.  But you sadi the EU collected taxes, which they do not. 

 

Like many (most? ) Brexit statements and claims, it is incorrect but, as usual, Brexiteers once caught try and move the goalposts..

 

PH

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

Ouch - getting a little tetchy eh ? Never show the enemy your soft flank. 

 

They got shafted because they didn’t want it, I must have told you that 5 of 6 times now ? Go to the demographic polls and see just how much they didn’t want it. Brexiteers will be dead in the next decade or two and the young will stil be here with a situation they didn’t want. Restricted job opportunities , more complicated travel, and still paying through the nose for your damage. 
 

However to claim racism played no part in brexit just tops the ludicrous claims you’ve made! It was central, only few Brexiteers will admit it, however off camera they will bore the <deleted> out of you confirming it. 
 

I will never have to worry about the next bill in my lifetime again so I guess over the years I must have paid a few quid to HMRC and continue to pay my taxes. My very expensive accountant confirms that so fret not.  
 

Tetchy? ???? Not at all Grouse, I tell ignoramuses like you to stfup all the time ????.

 

Losing a democratic vote doesn't equate to getting shafted. You win some you lose some. It's just that your leftie woke brigade have lost more than their fair share lately so now they're whining like babies. Sulking like teenage girls and lashing out with childish insults like "wacist" and "stupid". ???? 

 

They lost the argument. Out maneuvered and out campaigned by the likes of Tim Martin and Nigel Farage, how embarrassing. 

[Bruntoid]

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

The EU is partially funded by contributions from member states which includes monies collected via taxation of the citizens of those member states.

 

Putting multiple layers in between doesn't fool anyone. Neither does it fool anyone when they return a percentage of the money collected and claim these are "EU funded projects", putting EU flags everywhere.

 

A joke of an organization. Still, they fool the stupid.

 

 

Where else would the money come from ? It is each governments decision how they spend that taxation and the electorate give them a mandate to do so, but the EU doesn’t tax anyone confirming, again, you’re wrong. 

[Surelynot]

28 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

???? - keep quiet ? 

Ha.....I do vaguely remember us all driving through the town centre.....hanging out the windows singing 'we won the cup'...but at 10 years old you can get away with that (my dad was driving, not me). 

[Phulublub]

8 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

Go to the demographic polls and see just how much they didn’t want it. Brexiteers will be dead in the next decade or two and the young will stil be here with a situation they didn’t want.

Four years after the vote and it is already very likely that the replaceent of the rolls of some of the elderly (who were much more likely to have voted Leave) by those who were aged 14-17 in 1916 and a re-run would have a compeltely different outcome.  Even without those who mistakenly voted Leave but who now recognise what a mistake that has been.

 

PH

[Surelynot]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Out maneuvered and out campaigned by the likes of Tim Martin and Nigel Farage, how embarrassing. 

Now that I can agree with.

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

I agree.  But you sadi the EU collected taxes, which they do not. 

 

Like many (most? ) Brexit statements and claims, it is incorrect but, as usual, Brexiteers once caught try and move the goalposts..

 

PH

Pedantry, to avoid the real point.

 

Of course tax ends up in EU pockets, they just use the member states to collect it. The fact remains that tax paid by UK citizens will no longer be used to fund the EU. 

 

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Now that I can agree with.

Well that's what happens when your main campaign strategy is to call the other side stupid ????.

[Phulublub]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Pedantry, to avoid the real point.

 

Of course tax ends up in EU pockets, they just use the member states to collect it. The fact remains that tax paid by UK citizens will no longer be used to fund the EU. 

Accuracy, not pedantry.

 

PH

[vogie]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You can make any guess you like why they sold their rights, the salient fact is they sold them.

 

 

It wasn't a guess!

[Bruntoid]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Tetchy? ???? Not at all Grouse, I tell ignoramuses like you to stfup all the time ????.

 

Losing a democratic vote doesn't equate to getting shafted. You win some you lose some. It's just that your leftie woke brigade have lost more than their fair share lately so now they're whining like babies. Sulking like teenage girls and lashing out with childish insults like "wacist" and "stupid". ???? 

 

They lost the argument. Out maneuvered and out campaigned by the likes of Tim Martin and Nigel Farage, how embarrassing. 

Yep nothing childish in there at all ????
 

However they weren’t meant as insults - purely facts. 
 

So the economic argument for brexit ? .....been waiting 4 years now. Without one by default you’ve not done future generations any favours (7th explanation to date) but why are we arguing about it go ask them - the demographics are very self evident however much you choose to dismiss their futures as irrelevant. 
 

 

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Four years after the vote and it is already very likely that the replaceent of the rolls of some of the elderly (who were much more likely to have voted Leave) by those who were aged 14-17 in 1916 and a re-run would have a compeltely different outcome.  Even without those who mistakenly voted Leave but who now recognise what a mistake that has been.

 

PH

Ah, the old "Brexit voters have died" argument.

 

Remainers keepin' it classy ????.

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

Yep nothing childish in there at all ????
 

However they weren’t meant as insults - purely facts. 
 

So the economic argument for brexit ? .....been waiting 4 years now. Without one by default you’ve not done future generations any favours (7th explanation to date) but why are we arguing about it go ask them - the demographics are very self evident however much you choose to dismiss their futures as irrelevant. 
 

 

You've been told many times Grouse.

 

Your dementia is not my concern, Grandad ????.

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

How typical of Guy Verhofstadt to gloat at the misfortune of the lorry drivers stuck at Dover at Christmas time.

 

What a mean spirited, spiteful, bitter old man he is ????. I wonder if he's any of the Remain posters on TVF? ????

 

Laurence Fox was right on the money again.

 

Ironically Zeebrugge is one of the ports from which German potatoes etc are seamlessly entering UK via multiple UK ports to stock Lidl's etc around the country so I can't see what he's gloating about. 

[Bruntoid]

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Pedantry, to avoid the real point.

 

Of course tax ends up in EU pockets, they just use the member states to collect it. The fact remains that tax paid by UK citizens will no longer be used to fund the EU. 

 

 Correct - it will be paid in tariffs 

[Phulublub]

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Ah, the old "Brexit voters have died" argument.

 

Remainers keepin' it classy ????.

What was incorrect about my statement?

 

PH

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, Bruntoid said:

So the economic argument for brexit ?

It is called the Brexit Bonus.......No one knows what it is, where it is coming from, how big (or small) it will be or how long it will last.....but I am, for one, really excited and looking forward to receiving my fair share.....555

[Bruntoid]

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Ah, the old "Brexit voters have died" argument.

 

Remainers keepin' it classy ????.

If you can’t understand simple demographic graphs then there’s not really any easier way. 

[vinny41]

8 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Four years after the vote and it is already very likely that the replaceent of the rolls of some of the elderly (who were much more likely to have voted Leave) by those who were aged 14-17 in 1916 and a re-run would have a compeltely different outcome.  Even without those who mistakenly voted Leave but who now recognise what a mistake that has been.

 

PH

as you get older your more likely to vote conservative ( it must be correct its The Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/03/do-we-become-more-conservative-with-age-young-old-politics

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

 Correct - it will be paid in tariffs 

 

Not when UK citizens start buying cheaper alternatives from countries that were smart enough to sign a trade deal with us.

[Bruntoid]

Just now, Surelynot said:

It is called the Brexit Bonus.......No one knows what it is, where it is coming from, how big (or small) it will be or how long it will last.....but I am, for one, really excited and looking forward to receiving my fair share.....555

Haha and Boris did say we will ‘prosper mightily’ - I mean when did you last hear someone talking like that ? - so removed from reality it’s nearly funny, until you realise his cluelessness is taking the U.K. downwards. 

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

If you can’t understand simple demographic graphs then there’s not really any easier way. 

I understand the demographics. But what is your point?

 

Do you think old people shouldn't be allowed to vote because they'll be dead soon?

 

If not, what is your point?

[Bruntoid]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

Not when UK citizens start buying cheaper alternatives from countries that were smart enough to sign a trade deal with us.

Ah yes the trade deals with the veritable superpowers signed up to date (snigger)

 

Reel them off again - if you’ve got time away from putting together the post brexit economic projections .... come on you must have something ? 

[Phulublub]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Not when UK citizens start buying cheaper alternatives from countries that were smart enough to sign a trade deal with us.

And just look at that impressive list:

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-trade-agreements-with-non-eu-countries

 

PH

[Surelynot]

Just now, Bruntoid said:

Haha and Boris did say we will ‘prosper mightily’ - I mean when did you last hear someone talking like that ? - so removed from reality it’s nearly funny, until you realise his cluelessness is taking the U.K. downwards. 

...not only the cluelessness ...but the 'we'......I don't think he is referring to anyone we might ever talk to.