1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

...not only the cluelessness ...but the 'we'......I don't think he is referring to anyone we might ever talk to.

Oh you must talk to people like that all the time living in the Darkside. ????????????

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I understand the demographics. But what is your point?

 

Do you think old people shouldn't be allowed to vote because they'll be dead soon?

 

If not, what is your point?

Ok you’ve worn me down, I know when I’m beaten. 
 

I didn’t say you shouldn’t be allowed to vote, and I’ve told you the point again and again, what I said was (about 8 times now for the hard of thinking) that you shafted the young by voting leave! ie it was a vote with no regard whatsoever for the prosperity of future generations or the U.K. It was a spiteful, selfish, xenophobic vote agitated by publications such as The Sun to appeal to let’s say not too savvy elderly folks. (No offence like) 
 

The graphs would merely have helped that sink in.

20 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I understand the demographics. But what is your point?

 

Do you think old people shouldn't be allowed to vote because they'll be dead soon?

 

If not, what is your point?

I think the point is, they will be dead soon.

 

And leave a mess for younger generations to deal with.

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I think the point is, they will be dead soon.

 

 

 

   Youve been saying this for years now .

In which year will it be that Brexiteers all die out and Remianers will be in the majority ?

That was the prediction before the last General election and a regular suggestion since 2016

In which year will it become apparent ?

19 hours ago, bannork said:

I see Brexit as a disaster but that doesn't mean I'm a pessimist. My life in Thailand is full of cheer and love, it's just sad to see the UK committing financial suicide.

In what way is it committing financial suicide?

 

Another Armageddon soothsayer ....

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   Youve been saying this for years now .

In which year will it be that Brexiteers all die out and Remianers will be in the majority ?

That was the prediction before the last General election and a regular suggestion since 2016

In which year will it become apparent ?

I don’t ever recall saying this before.

 

You’ll get your answer the next time UK membership of the EU comes up as a vote.

 

Brexit is hitting the already stumbling economy, the promised Brexit bonus is nowhere in sight and the Brexit backers are moving their businesses to Europe.

 

There is nothing more politically dangerous than the failure to deliver on promises of improvement.

 

Enjoy the show.

 

 

 

19 hours ago, Bruntoid said:

so give us some post brexit financial projections to lift the gloom ..

 

This should be good ....

 

The financial experts are out there in the financial world not just on here, and out there you are friendless! You may have noticed. 

You were the one that sighted financial Armageddon, so let's hear your version since you brought it up?

29 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

Ok you’ve worn me down, I know when I’m beaten. 
 

I didn’t say you shouldn’t be allowed to vote, and I’ve told you the point again and again, what I said was (about 8 times now for the hard of thinking) that you shafted the young by voting leave! ie it was a vote with no regard whatsoever for the prosperity of future generations or the U.K. It was a spiteful, selfish, xenophobic vote agitated by publications such as The Sun to appeal to let’s say not too savvy elderly folks. (No offence like) 
 

The graphs would merely have helped that sink in.

 

  IYO Brexit will be disaster for the UK and Brexiteers deliberately voted for that disaster .

Brexit voters think Brexit will be beneficial to the UK in the  future and the Country and its future generations will benefit .

  Not suggesting you, but some peoples only concern is the Pound/Baht exchange rate 

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I don’t ever recall saying this before.

 

You’ll get your answer the next time UK membership of the EU comes up as a vote.

 

 

 

  Was you ever in agreement with the people who were saying it ?

The next General election in four years time ?

In 2024 , Labour will sweep to victory on the promise of rejoining the E.U ?

Will 2024 be long enough for all the old Brexiteers to die off ?

3 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  IYO Brexit will be disaster for the UK and Brexiteers deliberately voted for that disaster .

Brexit voters think Brexit will be beneficial to the UK in the  future and the Country and its future generations will benefit .

  Not suggesting you, but some peoples only concern is the Pound/Baht exchange rate 

IMV many Brexit voters did so without fully thinking through the potantialconsequences.  They did so for a variety of reasons, none of which considered the economic consequences. 

 

Would Sunderland have voted Leave if the people there thought that removal of frictionless trade would likely mean Nissan would cease to invest, or even stop production, there?  I think not.  But it was a great failing of the Remain campaign that they were unable to counter the one-line soundbites with resonaed argument that would hold the attention of many for loing enoug for the message to penetrate.

 

There will undoubtedly be some Brexiters who think leaving will be economically beneficial. But many more who don't like the French, or the Germans, or Muslims, or gays, or Martians...or who think Brussles is a Communist (or fascist) unelected overlord...and yet others who are anarchists who just want world order to implode.

 

And let's not forget possible misiniformation from foreign entities for whom the break up of the EU would be advantageous.

 

As I have said before, I had great regard for Jim Sillars and Margo McDonald who, unlike the rest of their SNP clan, consistently said that Scottish Independence would have an economic cost, but they were willing to pay that price.  I have not seen or heard any Brexit leader be as honest.

 

PH

44 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

Ok you’ve worn me down, I know when I’m beaten. 
 

I didn’t say you shouldn’t be allowed to vote, and I’ve told you the point again and again, what I said was (about 8 times now for the hard of thinking) that you shafted the young by voting leave! ie it was a vote with no regard whatsoever for the prosperity of future generations or the U.K. It was a spiteful, selfish, xenophobic vote agitated by publications such as The Sun to appeal to let’s say not too savvy elderly folks. (No offence like) 
 

The graphs would merely have helped that sink in.

Well I'm not elderly (decades away from pension age) so no offence taken Grouse.

 

As for future prosperity, that's your opinion and nothing else, therefore nobody got shafted it's just your incorrect assumptions based on your conviction that you are right about everything. OAP's like yourself might never see the real benefits of Brexit, just the short term disruption. So we should thank you golden oldies for selflessly voting Brexit as we younger ones will be around to see the longer term benefits.

 

Many thanks to your generation, they say with age comes wisdom although you are living proof that's not always the case.

 

 

19 hours ago, Hi from France said:

https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-ursula-von-der-leyen-secret-phone-call/

 

 

 

There won't be a deal in the time remaining. 

 

This fellow is running away with himself - there'll be no quotas and no punishment tariffs, unless UK agree to some access, which will be our decision on an annual review basis.

5 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

IMV many Brexit voters did so without fully thinking through the potantialconsequences.  They did so for a variety of reasons, none of which considered the economic consequences. 

And you know that for definite?  I post again a link that predicts how things will turn out. 

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Why Britain, like Iceland, will thrive outside the EU

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-britain-like-iceland-will-thrive-outside-the-eu

44 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I think the point is, they will be dead soon.

 

And leave a mess for younger generations to deal with.

Pure conjecture.

 

More likely the oldies like yourself will see the short term disruption and the younger amongst us will see the full benefits.

6 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

IMV many Brexit voters did so without fully thinking through the potantialconsequences.  They did so for a variety of reasons, none of which considered the economic consequences. 

 

Would Sunderland have voted Leave if the people there thought that removal of frictionless trade would likely mean Nissan would cease to invest, or even stop production, there? 

 

7 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

  I have not seen or heard any Brexit leader be as honest.

 

PH

 

  Nissan has stated they have no intention of closing their Sunderland factory , that was just a rumour from a German magazine .

  Those dishonest Brexiters, Eh ?

 

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/business/nissan-dismisses-reports-it-set-close-its-sunderland-plant-3045230

 

 

18 hours ago, bannork said:

 

One of the Brexiteers here mentioned 57 trade deals had been signed since February.  Most are roll- overs from EU contracts, but what he didn't mention was over 450 haven't been rolled over and will cease to be valid on January 1st. 

 

You appear to imply that these 450 will cease trading with us. Quite the contrary, they will be delighted to be able trade outside the EU protectionist tariffs, as has been demonstrated with the 60 deals already signed on a, predominantly free trade arrangement as I understand from the reports.

6 hours ago, luckyluke said:

The sad fact is that for the bigots(left & right) the truth is only their own belief/view of a situation. 

That's stating the obvious! You yourself have said on numerous occasions that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs / views / feelings / opinions, but now we are all bigots.....

I think Boris is at bottom, like the pound can't tank anymore, I guess it's a good negotiating position. The EU has a lot to lose, we're at bottom.

1 hour ago, Phulublub said:

And just look at that impressive list:

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-trade-agreements-with-non-eu-countries

 

PH

 

  Canada

Jamaica

Barbados 

 Egypt

Iceland

Norway

Seychelles

Madagascar

Israel

Jordan

Palestinian authority

Mexico

Singapore

South Korea

Switzerland

Tunisia

Ukraine 

South Africa

Mozambique 

Fiji

Macedonia

Lichtenstein 

Kosovo

Columbia

Eqcador

Peru

Panama

Quite a few other as well and Vietnam coming soon 

Currently in talks with the USA and Australia .

 

  Goodbye E.U.

Bye bye Brussels 

Hello World

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If you bought the rights then take what belongs to you.

You didn't buy the rights, you bought the quotas. The rights were imposed by the EU CFP....

 

The rights and the associated quotas will, from here on, be decided by the UK.

16 minutes ago, Tofer said:

That's stating the obvious! You yourself have said on numerous occasions that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs / views / feelings / opinions, but now we are all bigots.....

There is a difference.

One is of course entitled to his own belief... but with respect to someone else belief...

When one is convinced that his own belief, ... is the only right one, 

one is a bigot.

.

2 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

There is a difference.

One is of course entitled to his own belief... but with respect to someone else belief...

When one is convinced that his own belief, ... is the only right one, 

one is a bigot.

.

You just described Grouse perfectly. Sorry, I mean Bruntoid ????.

43 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

 

  Nissan has stated they have no intention of closing their Sunderland factory , that was just a rumour from a German magazine .

  Those dishonest Brexiters, Eh ?

 

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/business/nissan-dismisses-reports-it-set-close-its-sunderland-plant-3045230

 

Maybe..

.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-55272689

 

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/protest-nissan-sunderland-brexit-deal-19405027

 

 

 

21 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Bye bye Brussels

So this Christmas, the last with Brussels Sprouts one!

????

3 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Nissan has stated they have no intention of closing their Sunderland factory , that was just a rumour from a German magazine .

  Those dishonest Brexiters, Eh ?

 

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/business/nissan-dismisses-reports-it-set-close-its-sunderland-plant-3045230

 

They won't suddenly close the factory, they will phase it out, and most importantly they have slowed / stopped investing in the UK.

 

Where do you think the - 2% GDP of these past years even before Brexit came from? 

Quote

Nissan's chief operations officer Ashwani Gupta warned that its UK business "will not be sustainable" in the event of a Brexit that adds major costs to its operations.

2/3 of the cars produced are sold to the EU. 

 

Even with a deal there's a mountain of red tape (rules of origin) to avoid tariffs. 

 

300.000 jobs lost and Boris finds this fun? 

 

Quote

Europe chairman Gianluca de Ficchy told a news conference at the plant in October 2019: "If a no-deal scenario means the sudden application of WTO tariffs, we know in that case our business model won't be sustainable in the future.

 

"Our industry works with lower margins and if we are in a situation in which tomorrow we have to apply 10% export duties to 70% of our production, the entire business model for Nissan Europe will be in jeopardy."

 

Edited December 23, 20205 yr by Hi from France

2 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Currently in talks with the USA and Australia .

Ah this is the real Australia deal ????

2 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Goodbye E.U.

Bye bye Brussels 

Hello World

 

3 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Was you ever in agreement with the people who were saying it ?

The next General election in four years time ?

In 2024 , Labour will sweep to victory on the promise of rejoining the E.U ?

Will 2024 be long enough for all the old Brexiteers to die off ?

A week is a long time in politics, I suggest you go easy on the long term predictions.

2 hours ago, Tofer said:

You didn't buy the rights, you bought the quotas. The rights were imposed by the EU CFP....

 

The rights and the associated quotas will, from here on, be decided by the UK.

You’ve got rights and quotas mixed up.

3 hours ago, nausea said:

I think Boris is at bottom, like the pound can't tank anymore, I guess it's a good negotiating position. The EU has a lot to lose, we're at bottom.

Steady on, things can never get worse, until they do.

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Pure conjecture.

 

More likely the oldies like yourself will see the short term disruption and the younger amongst us will see the full benefits.

Old people dying is not ‘conjecture’.

 

I’m not sure on what basis you determine my age, another one of those ‘Brexiteer guesses’?!