Americans get stern holiday warning: 'No Christmas parties' due to COVID

[ukrules]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

I have never once heard Biden talking about locking the country down. Only lying Republicans are uttering that drivel. 

I'm not surprised, neither have I. His team on the other hand have plenty to say on the subject.

 

Here's a link https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/11/biden-covid-advisor-says-us-lockdown-of-4-to-6-weeks-could-control-pandemic-and-revive-economy.html

 

 

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I have never once heard Biden talking about locking the country down. Only lying Republicans are uttering that drivel. 

 

And they are usually the same people who refer to all democrats as socialists, or communists. Not only is this nasty and divisive, it is extremely uncreative and unoriginal, and demonstrative of a lockstep mentality, and sheer obedience to their political leader. 

Edited December 11, 2020 by spidermike007

[teacherclaire]

1 hour ago, honu said:

 

It's not fair to put that on all Americans.  If one fourth of all Americans really didn't care if there was a pandemic going on, and the real number may be one third, that would probably still be enough to cause continued exponential growth.  Far too many people made an exception to observe Thanksgiving by gathering, for sure.

 

If you multiply out Germany's case and mortality rates to match the population difference (80 million versus 330, so times 4) the stats are about the same.  Do Germans also not care about their elderly, or foolishly reject to take any precautions?  A close friend is German but he doesn't tend to break down his description of practices there as I would in the US, openly addressing perspective problems.  He was just in the process of booking a vacation trip when this spike occurred not so long ago, citing mental health as also of importance, needing to get out.

 

England isn't far off, or lots of other places, it's partly the population difference making the numbers stand out.  Not that I'm rejecting that many Americans are idiots; that's also a main cause.

 

 A great post, indeed. There's no reason to reject what's so obvious. I've worked for the Armed Forces Europe and remember when guys had to "join the Army."

 

 Unfortunately, I did not meet too many educated people, and there seems to be a substantial educational problem.

 

How can each State have a different educational system? 

Gun controls at schools are something I wouldn't want for my kids.

 

The Cowboy times are long gone, but many people still have the mentality that they own the world.

 

Not too many people traveled, and these are the people who seem to understand more about the world and other countries.

 

IMO, the last good President was Kennedy, and all after him were better jokes.

 From a Movistar to an oil magnate, then his son? Terrible. 

 

Billy, who had to tell us that he's smoking a joint, but he wasn't inhaling it, to Obama, who did some coke when he could afford it.

 

The most crack addicts in the capital Washington DC? 

 

 The last, Mr. Trump, was the biggest mistake where many people still have to suffer.

He never cared about anybody else than himself. 

 

How people pay money to hear him at a rally is something I will never understand. 

 

And a 78-year-old president can only be the better way than having the selfish monster again. 

 

After all, it's the CIA and FBI that does somehow rule the country. 

 

Not too many Americans have an idea that most of their medicine is usually from China. 

 

Why would a president say yes to let China produce steel for some bridges in the US?

Do they not understand that they are dependent on China? 

 

Why does the US not have high-speed trains? 

 

They pollute our world in a way that I'm speechless. Pollution doesn't stop at borders. 

 The obesity rate is insane, all is supersized, and that's what many people look like. 

 

Why don't they have a functioning social system where all Americans can go to a hospital or a doctor they want?

 

No, you can die in front of a hospital if you don't have the right insurance. 

 

Having such incredible weapons in times where the cold war became past ,doesn't make much sense to me. 

 

Did America send all the poor guys to war to have cheap petrol?

 

 How's the CIA involved in drug smuggling/trafficking? And that goes on and on. 

 

 Are there not enough jobless people and those who work two jobs to keep their loved ones alive?

 

Why do young adults receive credit cards, and most take all the money they can get without thinking about paying them back. 

 

Americans' average credit card debt was $5,736 at the end of 2018.

 

Some "Third World Countries" seem to be more developed than the US. 

 

Is it only a big country with little education? 

 

Not the virus, Trump seems to be the hoax. 

    

 

 

Edited December 11, 2020 by teacherclaire

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1 minute ago, ukrules said:

I'm not surprised, neither have I. His team on the other hand have plenty to say on the subject.

 

Here's a link https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/11/biden-covid-advisor-says-us-lockdown-of-4-to-6-weeks-could-control-pandemic-and-revive-economy.html

 

 

But nothing about it being made mandatory. And considering that it's pretty much the universal opinion that the President  doesn't have the authority to do it. Americans will have to suffer the consequences of Trump's denigration of the practice. 10's of thousands dead because of his opposition.

[spidermike007]

3 minutes ago, ukrules said:

I'm not surprised, neither have I. His team on the other hand have plenty to say on the subject.

 

Here's a link https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/11/biden-covid-advisor-says-us-lockdown-of-4-to-6-weeks-could-control-pandemic-and-revive-economy.html

 

 

Advisors are like lawyers. You hire them for advice and suggestions. And bad advice needs to be consistently ignored. Only the wealthy would dream up such a scheme. 

[mrfill]

2 hours ago, honu said:

 

It's not fair to put that on all Americans.  If one fourth of all Americans really didn't care if there was a pandemic going on, and the real number may be one third, that would probably still be enough to cause continued exponential growth.  Far too many people made an exception to observe Thanksgiving by gathering, for sure.

 

If you multiply out Germany's case and mortality rates to match the population difference (80 million versus 330, so times 4) the stats are about the same.  Do Germans also not care about their elderly, or foolishly reject to take any precautions?  A close friend is German but he doesn't tend to break down his description of practices there as I would in the US, openly addressing perspective problems.  He was just in the process of booking a vacation trip when this spike occurred not so long ago, citing mental health as also of importance, needing to get out.

 

England isn't far off, or lots of other places, it's partly the population difference making the numbers stand out.  Not that I'm rejecting that many Americans are idiots; that's also a main cause.

So Germany - current number of deaths = 21233, USA = 299692 - You need to multiply by 14, not 4.

Mortality rate (per 100,000) - Germany = 253, USA = 903 - not quite "about the same"

Figures from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

Please don't post such misleading information, it really doesn't help.

[Traubert]

Americans do tend to hide behind this 'per thousand' thing but when you have it laid in front of you it is scary.

 

Heaven only knows what it will look like in four weeks.

 

Harpy hallidays.

[Natai Beach]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Nearly everyone I know wears a mask in the US. It appears the ones who do not wear a mask are nearly all Republicans. It is a demonstration of loyalty to the orange guy. So, in a sense the Covid acceleration and scourge, is a GOP sponsored virus. Trump is largely to blame for this. His rhetoric is hugely dangerous. 

 

The Thais effectively cancelled their most important celebration of the year, similar to xmas as regards to traveling and visiting family. To reduce the spread. Covid effectively all but fizzled out in Thailand two weeks later. 
 

Do you think, considering the huge numbers in the USA, 1 in 22 people having tested positive, that the USA should cancel the celebration of Santa Claus and the Jewish fella from 2020 years ago that may or maybe not be a real person. 
Or would that be infringing on your rights too much. 

[Natai Beach]

1 minute ago, Traubert said:

Americans do tend to hide behind this 'per thousand' thing but when you have it laid in front of you it is scary.

 

Heaven only knows what it will look like in four weeks.

 

Harpy hallidays.

That figure can only go one way, and that is up.

 

Thailand's death rate is less than one in a MILLION 

[Natai Beach]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

 

And they are usually the same people who refer to all democrats as socialists, or communists. Not only is this nasty and divisive, it is extremely uncreative and unoriginal, and demonstrative of a lockstep mentality, and sheer obedience to their political leader. 

 

I think the thing that is lost on Americans is that the covid virus doesn’t care about politics. Don’t you think making it political and arguing over politics is pointless In regards to covid 19? It won’t help one bit.

[Nout]

3 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

He is at least attending meetings about, informing himself from a scientific point of view, using his abilty to understand and learn. Listening.

Possibly even engaging with sociologists for plans to assit the general population

 

sociologists?

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, Natai Beach said:

 

The Thais effectively cancelled their most important celebration of the year, similar to xmas as regards to traveling and visiting family. To reduce the spread. Covid effectively all but fizzled out in Thailand two weeks later. 
 

Do you think, considering the huge numbers in the USA, 1 in 22 people having tested positive, that the USA should cancel the celebration of Santa Claus and the Jewish fella from 2020 years ago that may or maybe not be a real person. 
Or would that be infringing on your rights too much. 

Absolutely. I am all for doing whatever is takes to eradicate this plague, short of shutting down the economy again. A bit of personal discipline, self sacrifice, and common sense. That is what adults do. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

From late November:

 

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/as-many-as-130000-lives-could-be-saved-the-next-3-months-if-everyone-wore-a-mask#More-reasons-to-wear-a-mask

As Many as 130,000 Lives Could Be Saved the Next 3 Months If Everyone Wore a Mask

 

“We are truly at war with this virus… But we have a secret weapon – the American spirit in each and every one of you. So please – be a Patriot. Limit interactions outside your household and wear a mask.”

 

That plea via Twitter was made by U.S. Surgeon General Jerome M. Adams, MD, MPH, as the COVID-19 pandemic surges at unprecedented numbers.

...

The CDC says a data analysis shows that just a 15 percent increase in mask wearing could prevent the need for lockdowns and help reduce economic losses up to $1 trillion."

 

We're getting reinstituted localized lockdowns now in various areas around the U.S. BECAUSE not enough Americans are consistently wearing face masks and practicing social distancing.

 

Mask wearing and social distancing are the antidote to lockdowns, and the escalating spread of the virus and the illness and deaths it causes.

 

 

Edited December 11, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Tug]

Rember that trump enuendo back in 16 when he said now we are allowed to celebrate Christmas?talk about something coming back to bite you in the rear lol but hey if you are dumb enough to gather during the holidays oh well.......sucks though stay safe all!

[Thailand Forever]

8 hours ago, DavisH said:

And the flow-on effect of overloaded hospitals casing collateral deaths. Once all ventilators are in use, and all ICU beds are taken, that's it. Imagine turning up at hospital and needing an ICU after an accident? This is going to get very bad in the next few months in the US. 

I'm no Trump supporter, and his handling of the pandemic response is deplorable, but people really had all this information about this virus all over the internet. Many people really jut have themselves to blame if they get infected (the elderly,excepted). 

Who is asking all these people to go to the hospital?  If you think you have Covid, stay home!

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25 minutes ago, Thailand Forever said:

Who is asking all these people to go to the hospital?  If you think you have Covid, stay home!

Leave the hospitals to those who are well!

[RJRS1301]

10 hours ago, Nout said:

sociologists?

What Sociologists Do.  Planning for the future, post pandemic, it is what some people do

Some sociologists conduct interviews for their research. Sociologists study society and social behavior by examining the groups, cultures, organizations, social institutions, and processes that develop when people interact and work together.

[RJRS1301]

5 hours ago, Thailand Forever said:

Who is asking all these people to go to the hospital?  If you think you have Covid, stay home!

Needing assistance to breathe and treatment perhaps?

[RJRS1301]

5 hours ago, placeholder said:

Leave the hospitals to those who are well!

How very"Yes Minister", they cost less money to run without patients, and equipment does not need replacing 

[Scott]

Troll post with false information has been removed. 

 

[Natai Beach]

18 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I have never once heard Biden talking about locking the country down. Only lying Republicans are uttering that drivel. 

why are you talking politics? 
Covit is a highly contagious virus nothing to do with politics. 
Strange people that turn a virus political.

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, Natai Beach said:

why are you talking politics? 
Covit is a highly contagious virus nothing to do with politics. 
Strange people that turn a virus political.

I would argue the opposite. Strange people who argue that the virus was NOT politicized in the US. And even at 3,000 deaths a day, it appears that Trump could barely be bothered by it all. He is demonstrating the same reckless, callous, cold hearted indifference to the suffering of the American people now, as he did right after the devastation of Hurricane Maria. We would not want something as inconvenient as this virus, to get in the way of our agenda, would we?

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7 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

How very"Yes Minister", they cost less money to run without patients, and equipment does not need replacing 

Patients just get in the way of doctors' and nurses' real work.

[thaibeachlovers]

23 hours ago, Thailand Forever said:

While I do not feel the number of deaths from Covid warrant the level of alarm that exists world wide, I do feel that the only responsible thing to do is to follow the public health directives and be a good little sheep.  In the name of love of neighbor it seems the only logical thing to do no?

As for all these people who rebel against the health orders, as much as it pains me to see them suffer, many of them small business people who will most assuredly go under for loss of business, they must realize they are victims of the pandemic and look at it philosophically.

Hard to be philosophical when one sees the business they built up closed permanently, lose their home and become bankrupt. Meanwhile the politicians argue over semantics. They are all right Jack. They'll still have a house and money.

[johnmell]

Could it be this horrendous death toll in the US is due to the fact so many Americans are obese?

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16 minutes ago, johnmell said:

Could it be this horrendous death toll in the US is due to the fact so many Americans are obese?

That's a fair point. It certainly contributes to it.

[Tug]

On 12/11/2020 at 12:09 AM, Thailand Forever said:

While I do not feel the number of deaths from Covid warrant the level of alarm that exists world wide, I do feel that the only responsible thing to do is to follow the public health directives and be a good little sheep.  In the name of love of neighbor it seems the only logical thing to do no?

As for all these people who rebel against the health orders, as much as it pains me to see them suffer, many of them small business people who will most assuredly go under for loss of business, they must realize they are victims of the pandemic and look at it philosophically.

That’s nice here’s a little tidbit for you the United States has lost more dead to covid in 10 months that we lost to combat in ww2 all theaters all services we are continuing to lose 3,000+ per day many many were preventable with competent leadership many business would still exist if we had competent leadership pull together folks follow protocols show your love and compassion next year will be better unite for the sake of your loved ones your neighbors 

and our country 

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On 12/11/2020 at 6:53 PM, Nout said:

sociologists?

Because health care isn't only about the physical and biological sciences. Ever hear of something called public health. To make healty care delivery  more effective it's best to know about the beliefs and practices of the community you are trying to serve. That's where sociology comes in.

[Scott]

Troll post with unsubstantiated claim has been removed.

 

[Natai Beach]

23 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I would argue the opposite. Strange people who argue that the virus was NOT politicized in the US. And even at 3,000 deaths a day, it appears that Trump could barely be bothered by it all. He is demonstrating the same reckless, callous, cold hearted indifference to the suffering of the American people now, as he did right after the devastation of Hurricane Maria. We would not want something as inconvenient as this virus, to get in the way of our agenda, would we?

Ok then, you simply don’t get it.
 

I can see making it a political issue and not a medical issue is really working out well for you all. 

 

Good luck with that.