Leaders to push Brexit trade talks beyond Sunday deadline

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On 12/13/2020 at 9:56 PM, CorpusChristie said:

 

  We have been having four years  of talks , there needs to come a point where you realise both sides will not come to an agreement , sticking points with no solution .

  Need to just accept that and move on , or will there be endless talks that will go on forever ? 

Tell that to Boris:

Brexit trade deal possible within days after Johnson concession, says EU

 

A post-Brexit trade and security deal could be sealed as early as this week after Boris Johnson made a key concession at the weekend but the pathway to agreement remained “very narrow”, Michel Barnier told ambassadors and MEPs in Brussels.

The EU’s chief negotiator said the prime minister’s acceptance of the need to ensure that there was fair competition for British and European businesses as regulatory standards diverged over time had unlocked the talks despite difficult issues remaining.

“For the first time,” Barnier said, the UK government had “accepted a mechanism of unilateral measures”, such as tariffs, where there were “systemic divergences which distort trade and investment”.

Brexit trade deal possible within days after Johnson concession, says EU | Politics | The Guardian

 

[Loiner]

6 hours ago, dunroaming said:

 

JLR make the Defender.  Attwood owns JLR.  The Defender is being made in Slovakia after he jumped ship from the UK.  As  I said he is a leading Brexiteer as is Dyson who also moved his business to Singapore.

Just another clueless Remainer spouting off about things they have no idea about. This forum is full of them and they all keep regurgitating the same nonsense. 

[Chomper Higgot]

9 hours ago, Loiner said:

How does the EU support massive state aid to a car plant in Slovenia but still wants to prevent the UK from state aid to our industries?

It will probably close soon anyway because nobody is buying the new LR Defender.

I recall similar remarks being made about MG.

[Chomper Higgot]

8 hours ago, Loiner said:

We've always known the EU only likes aid to go to it's own pet projects. It really doesn't like the UK doing it though, right on the EU doorstep.

Look on the bright side, you didn’t like Slovenians coming to the UK to work.

 

The EU is helping you out by moving the jobs to Slovenia.

 

Brexit ‘you’re either with us, or against us’.

[Hi from France]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Tell that to Boris:

Brexit trade deal possible within days after Johnson concession, says EU

A post-Brexit trade and security deal could be sealed as early as this week after Boris Johnson made a key concession at the weekend but the pathway to agreement remained “very narrow”, Michel Barnier told ambassadors and MEPs in Brussels.

The EU’s chief negotiator said the prime minister’s acceptance of the need to ensure that there was fair competition for British and European businesses as regulatory standards diverged over time had unlocked the talks despite difficult issues remaining.

“For the first time,” Barnier said, the UK government had “accepted a mechanism of unilateral measures”, such as tariffs, where there were “systemic divergences which distort trade and investment”.

Brexit trade deal possible within days after Johnson concession, says EU | Politics | The Guardian

 

 

 

Well the outcome was known since Theresa May made the impossible promise of keeping access to the single market without following the rules of the single market;

 

Now, since January British exceptionalism is not in the situation where it can block the EU until it gets what it wants.

 

As a result, the UK will :

• keep access to the single market
• safeguard hundred of thousands of jobs, not loose 4% more GDP
• save on the price of EU membership (not sure about the cost, you'd have to ask BJ)
• control immigration (not that it could not before)
• become a bigger fishing nation (ditto: could just have bought back the fishing quota it should not have sold in the first place)

while loosing 

• at least 4% of its GDP and hundred of thousands of jobs,
• the right to send jerks to the European Parliament
• the ability to put his foot on the brake while complaining the EU is slow
• EU leadership in banking 
• EU leadership in medicine
• his big share of EU research funds, Galileo...

 

but that's the price of freedom guys ????

 

 

The price of freedom to do what ? That will be the question, as the sunlit uplands of global Britain won't be there, cheating on environmental and social regulations won't be possible without swift consequences. The "jewel of the Crown", the services sector, has got nothing...

 

 

Now over the years and governments to come the UK will progressively comme back into most of the forty agencies of the EU, and associate with EU major projects, including defense, because it will not be able to afford those costs alone. Each time they will demand a special deal because of British exceptionalism.

 

 

 

Oh and in the short term Boris Johnson will sing a victory song, over fishing mainly  ????

 

[Chomper Higgot]

52 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Just another clueless Remainer spouting off about things they have no idea about. This forum is full of them and they all keep regurgitating the same nonsense. 

Of course many here on TVF don’t agree but it’s a good thing.

 

TVF’s main constituency is expats in Thailand and or non Thai people with a connection to Thailand, which is s naturally diverse group.

 

If you only want to find views that you agree with you’d have go to a forum that predominantly caters for people holding those views, but it would, by definition, be a bit of an echo chamber.

 

I much prefer the mixed views we find here, discussions are far more colorful, if at times too much so.

 

Enjoy the difference and test the veracity of your views agains others willing to argue with you.

 

 

[soalbundy]

11 hours ago, Hi from France said:

against Germany the UK cannot, but these last decades it did better than France, as a manufacturing/industrial nation

 

Until Brexit, of course. Honda confirmed that manufacturing at its Swindon will close down, Jaguar Land Rover is in shutdown now (but has ambitious development plans see below)

 

 

if you like newspapers with CAPITALS for a niche clientele

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.. and this comes from a specialized UK Brexit tabloid: today you can also read

The Express is a comic not a newspaper

[Kwasaki]

23 hours ago, soalbundy said:

'Creative' means 'inspirational texts have yet to be found to disguise the coming fudge'

The news sources here on TV are just speculative fudge, I still say there will be no deal and the EU doesn't want one because if UK is given what they want others will want to leave.

 

Macron will not give in over fishing so the UK Navy is getting ready already.

 

Belgium demands are too controlling over businesses employment. 

 

The UK businesses in UK are in a state of Brexit-haustion and just want to get on with the future and adjust to come what may.

 

All the garbage talking of terrible times to come is exaggerated, deals have already been put in place by UK small businesses outside EU in case of a no deal.

 

The Politics behind all of it and the Large Corporations well that's another book.

[CorpusChristie]

10 hours ago, NeoDinosaw said:

Please stop banging on about the 14 million voters.  They are only 37.44 of the electorate.  Their majority was less than 4% of those who voted.

In any normal organisation, to change the rules and regulation so drastically would demand a majority of over 66 %

The UK sticks to the slavishly first-past-the-post  system which is why it is always in a mess.  PR is desperately needed.

 

  Reasonable idea , and I agree .

If theres any other referendum in the future about the UK re joining the E.U . For rejoin/Remain to win, they would have to get 66 % of the vote to rejoin the E.U . 

   Yes, that sounds fair enough 

[soalbundy]

Just now, Kwasaki said:

The news sources here on TV are just speculative fudge, I still say there will be no deal and the EU doesn't want one because if UK is given what they want others will want to leave.

 

Macron will not give in over fishing so the UK Navy is getting ready already.

 

Belgium demands are too controlling over businesses employment. 

 

The UK businesses in UK are in a state of Brexit-haustion and just want to get on with the future and adjust to come what may.

 

All the garbage talking of terrible times to come is exaggerated, deals have already been put in place by UK small businesses outside EU in case of a no deal.

 

The Politics behind all of it and the Large Corporations well that's another book.

There will be a fudge deal, it has probably been long sorted but the face saving theatrics have to be played out for the fickle voter. It's all about money, a lot of money, if there was to be a no deal Bojo would have walked Monday, he's lost and he knows it, now it's all about making it look like a draw, it won't work because Farage and his ilk will dissect it sentence for sentence, the only way to satisfy the baying mob is to throw them Bojo's carcass, he is political dead meat come January.

[luckyluke]

8 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Belgium demands

I am really astonished, my country dare to issue demands!

 

Googled, but didn't find anything.

 

 

Please a link.

 

[soalbundy]

4 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Reasonable idea , and I agree .

If theres any other referendum in the future about the UK re joining the E.U . For rejoin/Remain to win, they would have to get 66 % of the vote to rejoin the E.U . 

   Yes, that sounds fair enough 

That could happen once the demographics changes, the young and the bright have a right to a better future.

[Kwasaki]

1 minute ago, soalbundy said:

There will be a fudge deal, it has probably been long sorted but the face saving theatrics have to be played out for the fickle voter. It's all about money, a lot of money, if there was to be a no deal Bojo would have walked Monday, he's lost and he knows it, now it's all about making it look like a draw, it won't work because Farage and his ilk will dissect it sentence for sentence, the only way to satisfy the baying mob is to throw them Bojo's carcass, he is political dead meat come January.

If that's what you believe, fair call.

I'll stick my belief and as I've said before it will be interesting to see the outcome.

[steve187]

On 12/14/2020 at 9:50 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Everyone has there’s wishes, not everyone humiliates themselves and their country by very publicly making threats then very publicly backing down.

 

What an utter embarrassment Johnson is?!

 

What an utter shambles Brexit has become?!

 

Both very predictable.

 

 

Boris is the man to respect the countries wishes, no prime minister has had to face the problems he has in many years, maybe since WW2

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, steve187 said:

Boris is the man to respect the countries wishes, no prime minister has had to face the problems he has in many years, maybe since WW2

Almost all self inflicted or made many times worse by his own inabilities.

[Kwasaki]

3 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

I am really astonished, my country dare to issue demands!

 

Googled, but didn't find anything.

Detect sarcasm but there's no link as such only reports on news channels by financial people looking at the negotiations so far.

Belgium wants UK employees still to keep minimum workers hours and terms of what EU members agree to.

When UK is out they are worried about the UK becoming unfair competition.

[steve187]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Almost all self inflicted or made many times worse by his own inabilities.

what Brexit and Covid, which was handled better than some other countries, and would have been a lot better if not for the population of the UK ignoring the rules

[transam]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Look on the bright side, you didn’t like Slovenians coming to the UK to work.

 

The EU is helping you out by moving the jobs to Slovenia.

 

Brexit ‘you’re either with us, or against us’.

You missed out..."cash in hand" from the first line....

[luckyluke]

1 minute ago, Kwasaki said:

Belgium wants UK employees still to keep minimum workers hours and terms of what EU members agree to.

Belgium wants...

Fair enough, that's something, I can accept as true.

And no there was no sarcasm, just disbelief, and it seems that the word "demand" was indeed not really the correct one to use.

[Chomper Higgot]

30 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Detect sarcasm but there's no link as such only reports on news channels by financial people looking at the negotiations so far.

Belgium wants UK employees still to keep minimum workers hours and terms of what EU members agree to.

When UK is out they are worried about the UK becoming unfair competition.

The logical conclusion being the UK intends to reduce worker conditions to below those of the EU.

 

And ordinary working people voted for it.

[Chomper Higgot]

31 minutes ago, transam said:

You missed out..."cash in hand" from the first line....

No I didn’t.

[Laughing Gravy]

11 hours ago, NeoDinosaw said:

As a Brit - I hope that the EU sticks to its guns to save our population from the destruction that Boris craves.

As a Brit you should be ashamed of that statement but then again the way people are now with minimal morals, lack of respect for democracy, they are happy to sell the country to the EU.

 

I hope the democratic decision prevails and that the country can get its weaker citizens, to grow a backbone, where working class meant you went to work and not scrounge off the state.

 

When people would buy British and support British interests. Now many are outraged that we are not sending money from foreign aid to China and India.

 

The fact you have a difficult political viewpoint is irrelevant.  I get it. But to want the demise of your country. Unforgivable.

 

I think I know what type of Brit you are.

[Chomper Higgot]

46 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

As a Brit you should be ashamed of that statement but then again the way people are now with minimal morals, lack of respect for democracy, they are happy to sell the country to the EU.

 

I hope the democratic decision prevails and that the country can get its weaker citizens, to grow a backbone, where working class meant you went to work and not scrounge off the state.

 

When people would buy British and support British interests. Now many are outraged that we are not sending money from foreign aid to China and India.

 

The fact you have a difficult political viewpoint is irrelevant.  I get it. But to want this he demise of your country. Unforgivable.

 

I think I know what type of Brit you are.

Ah, the tyranny of the ballot box.

 

In a democracy people are permitted to oppose the government and its policies, there is no requirement to be ‘all on board’ supporting the government.

 

As for buying British, well yes, if it’s available, the right price and the right quality.

 

As for your derogatory remarks on the British working class, are they extended to

Boris’ chums picking up fat government contracts and delivering nothing, or is jus a be a real patriot be denigrating the working class like the right wing press tell you to?!

 

 

 

Edited December 15, 2020 by Chomper Higgot

[Kwasaki]

2 hours ago, luckyluke said:

Belgium wants...

Fair enough, that's something, I can accept as true.

And no there was no sarcasm, just disbelief, and it seems that the word "demand" was indeed not really the correct one to use.

Well it is a demand or whatever you wish to call it that UK will not except. 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Well it is a demand or whatever you wish to call it that UK will not except. 

Or says it won’t.

 

we’ll find out soon enough.

[Kwasaki]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The logical conclusion being the UK intends to reduce worker conditions to below those of the EU.

 

And ordinary working people voted for it.

Twisting again the logic is UK businesses want to cut out the red tape imposed by the EU .

People will still be free to do the job or not. 

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Kwasaki said:

Twisting again the logic is UK businesses want to cut out the red tape imposed by the EU .

People will still be free to do the job or not. 

The dispute is working ‘conditions’ and ‘worker rights’.

 

Not ‘red tape’.

[CorpusChristie]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The dispute is working ‘conditions’ and ‘worker rights’.

 

Not ‘red tape’.

 

  OK, What are the "Conditions" and "worker rights" which you are speaking of ?

Are they just empty terms or are you referring to something specific ?

[Kwasaki]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The dispute is working ‘conditions’ and ‘worker rights’.

 

Not ‘red tape’.

Disagree. 

As said let's see what happens. 

No deal is what I predict.

[luckyluke]

45 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Well it is a demand or whatever you wish to call it that UK will not except. 

 Belgium never demand, we are not in a position to do so. 

We ask, we suggest, we oppose sometimes for a while, but that's it. 

 

The U.K. as the E.U. has of course the right to accept or refuse whatever. 

 

The very proof of that is, that negotiations are still going on after more than  4 years.