Pro-Trump protests decry president's election loss, opposing groups clash in Washington

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49 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. Under proportional voting many governments won by a minority.

I think it was a mistake for NZ to change to proportional voting and I'm not alone by far.

No, they didn't win by a minority. The party that was a minority in the first round eventually became the majority. And we can say that because they were chosen by the electorate.

[Rimmer]

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[spidermike007]

Trump is not man enough to accept the loss, and neither are these protestors, over a hundred congress members who joined that ridiculous lawsuit, and many millions of his supporters who are continuing to drink the Kool aid, insisting that Trump won, and that the election was rigged. 

 

Man up. Grow up. Deal with it. Trump lost again. Plain and simple. He lost 17 businesses. He lost 19 merchandising deals while in office. He lost all his clout, when it comes to management deals with his name on them. He lost the trade war with China, and the negotiations with Kim. Now, he lost the election. What part of him being a loser do these people not understand? 

[AlexRich]

The Proud Boys sound like a Gay boy band. Trump knows he’s lying, and his team know he’s lying. But it’s unbelievable that there are US citizens, of supposedly sound mind, who don’t appear to realise that? 
 

In the history class at school I often wondered how someone like Hitler and his team could have secured so much support in Germany. I used to think it was something unique to Germans, but now realise it can happen anywhere. People will believe anything.

[spidermike007]

41 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

The Proud Boys sound like a Gay boy band. Trump knows he’s lying, and his team know he’s lying. But it’s unbelievable that there are US citizens, of supposedly sound mind, who don’t appear to realise that? 
 

In the history class at school I often wondered how someone like Hitler and his team could have secured so much support in Germany. I used to think it was something unique to Germans, but now realise it can happen anywhere. People will believe anything.

Trump has the PR skill of Joseph Goebbels. He is not a particularly intelligent man, but when it when it comes to manipulation and selling people on wacky ideas, and portraying a divisive and hateful movement as something otherwise, he is brilliant. 

[billd766]

5 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

 

He's missed Space aliens , Sitting Bull and Joe Stalin off his list ..

Don't forget Hugo Chavez.

[billd766]

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

No, they didn't win by a minority. The party that was a minority in the first round eventually became the majority. And we can say that because they were chosen by the electorate.

It could also be called Democracy. The thing that Trump and his "supporters" are trying to trample to death, and hopefully failing.

[Dumbastheycome]

It just occurred to me that it would be interesting to know  what the  UK Bookies odds are on the chance  Trump will ever ever  appear on an US   banknote ?

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3 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

It just occurred to me that it would be interesting to know  what the  UK Bookies odds are on the chance  Trump will ever ever  appear on an US   banknote ?

Actually there's a portion of the cliff face of Mt. Rushmore that would be particularly suitable for President Trump. According to geologists, it's quite unstable.

[watthong]

7 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

Sad to see how the divide is being fueled and widened by extremists on both sides.

 

If the Republicans retain the Senate and were to take control of Congress, then Biden-Harris Administration is in for a rough time. Which won't help the American people one way or another.

 

Ironic though that the Democrats now call for unity and acceptance when they never would. 

 

Politicians in the West used to govern on behalf of the people and for the benefit of the people. That era has long gone.

 

 

Another "on both sides" rhetoric, plus a good dose of "pot calling the kettle black" straight out of Trumpism 101 thrown in for good measure.

 

Thanks for the gloom and doom anyway. To parrot "My Fair Lady," we'll muddle through somehow, the sun will still rise without Trump for the 80+ millions of us. Now let me switch to "Hair", let the sun shine in, yeehaw!

[Jillie Norman]

1 hour ago, Dumbastheycome said:

Delusion and especially self  delusion  does present as a  common feature in Trump devotees !

 

They are held by their delusional belief, thinking they are above everyone else. 

[Dumbastheycome]

12 minutes ago, Jillie Norman said:

 

They are held by their delusional belief, thinking they are above everyone else. 

Delusion ,adopted  or induced , may not  be entirely based on superior thinking. It  can be  simply denial of reality to satisfy personal desire. Sociopaths.

[Scott]

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A number of posters have started to stray from the topic.  I strongly suggest you stick to the topic.  If need be, re-read the OP.

 

 

[Tie Dye Samurai]

13 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

"He lost the election, and he was put into office because the Russians interfered on his behalf," Carter said. 

Moderator and historian Jon Meacham then asked the former president if he thinks that Mr. Trump is an "illegitimate president." 

"Based on what I just said, which I can't retract," Mr. Carter responded to laughs from the audience. "I would say yes." 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jimmy-carter-says-president-trump-illegitimate-president-russian-interference-2019-06-28/

 

Hillary Clinton dismissed President Trump as an “illegitimate president” and suggested that “he knows” that he stole the 2016 presidential election in a CBS News interview to be aired Sunday.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/2019/09/26/29195d5a-e099-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html

 

Recent comments from 2 icons of the democrat party. There was no pushback against either, for obvious reasons(it was and is a widespread belief in that party and their followers that Trump is illegitimate thanks to being falsely accused of having colluded with Russia to win the election. A quick reminder to everyone that it was a hoax and Trump did not collude with Russia before the cycle starts again.

 

  "Special counsel Robert Mueller's report found that Russia waged a "sweeping and systematic" influence campaign during the 2016 election with the goal of electing Trump, but did not establish a conspiracy between Trump's campaign and Moscow."

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/28/politics/jimmy-carter-trump-russia-interference/index.html

 

Yeah and still....Hillary conceded the day after the election....Obama started the transition a week later and the left has about 60 less cases brought trying to overturn the election (in other words zero) than the republicans in 2020. There is absolutely no CREDITABLE comparison to be made on how the left conducted themselves in 2016 and how the republicans have acted in 2020. The democrats disagreed and complained but never obstructed or slowed the transition of power down....the republicans have openly tried to overturn and obstruct the peaceful transition of power with zero CREDITABLE evidence to back up their claims...and the transition is still being slowed down and impeded because of POTUS refusing to accept the results of the election. 

 

Trump is not even going to have the class, style and dignity to show up at the inauguration...to the very end he is proving time and time again he is the very worst kind of leader that puts his own needs and wants ahead of the national interest.  Hillary, Obama and Biden were 10 feet away from Trump when he took the oath of office because it was what was best for the country.

[bendejo]

21 hours ago, webfact said:

Eddy Miller of Philadelphia, who was selling Trump campaign T-shirts, said he was sure "there was fraud despite what I see on the news" about court rulings striking down fraud allegations.

 

Sounds like my sister-in-law.

Ask her "What proof do you have?"

She'll reply "I just know."

Can't argue with that.

 

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Trump gave fuel to the Proud Boys movement by telling the group to "stand back and stand by." He later said he condemned the group and "all white supremacists."

Yes, he says that and all channels play it, the "he later condemned" part is probably not played on Fox and the other nutter outlets. 

 

Maybe when the armed nutters make their stand Federal LE will settle this problem good and proper.

 

 

Edited December 14, 2020 by bendejo

[bendejo]

15 hours ago, Jonnapat said:

Surely a country that has lost control of itself by rules that allow a defeated President a further 10 weeks in office to wreak havoc, which he is only too happy to be a big part of. Possibilities of big trouble in the next few weeks. 

One has to feel for Biden and the new administration which will have an enormous problem to govern with any authority, all things considered. A really strong AG is essential. 

 

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"A government upheld upon the honor system only works if everyone involved has honor. This seems something that legislators should reexamine,"

https://www.newsweek.com/cnn-host-jake-tapper-praises-trumps-legitimate-achievements-his-inadvertent-ones-1554420

 

 

[bendejo]

13 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

The US is the only major democratic nation that has a system like the Electoral College.  It's why Trump won, and why the GOP doesn't want to get rid of it.  Without the EC, they wouldn't have had a president for a very long time.

In the past 20 years there were 5 presidential elections (excluding this one, which the incumbent still says is in the "we'll see" stage).  Two of them were won by people who lost the popular vote but were put in place by the Electoral College (one with the help of the Supreme Court).  Both those electoral victories were for the GOP.  Think about that...