U.S. COVID-19 immunization rollout expands as officials avow vaccine's safety

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Just now, mommysboy said:

 

You really need to wind your neck in.  It was just an obvious paper napkin/back of the cigarette pack calculation which stands good. And I'm not making any claim whatsoever.  Stop making a spectacle of yourself.

And yet you won't even share that "obvious paper napkin/back of the cigarette pack calculation" with others. Ya certainly haven't shared it with any public health authorities.  Are their cigarette packs smaller than yours? Stop making things up.

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20 hours ago, meechai said:

 

Yes it is a big number almost half of the 2017 average number for daily deaths listed by CDC

 

 

Don't get me wrong yes it is a serious illness....but really the way the MSM (& others) sensationalizes it for political reason is pretty bad.

It will be interesting from a statistical point of view to see the numbers next year

 

Because as the attributed to C19 tally went up the tally for the usual respiratory related deaths will be way down & it will be interesting to see the final "overall" tally

Look up excess mortality. And while you're at it, explain to us why ICU's are currently under unprecedented stress.

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[Credo]

1 hour ago, mommysboy said:

 

Of course not- stop being so pedantic,

 

Common sense- obvious math.  As I said before, it's just an observation, but with 240,000 cases daily (and presumably a good deal more undetected) surely anyone can see my point.  

You are being a little disingenuous.  You are stating your observation as a fact.  It's not.   There are no diseases that ever been eliminated with herd immunity that did not include a vaccine.   Diseases are not static.   As long as it circulates there will be people who are healthy now who will develop diseases that make them susceptible to Covid, such as heart disease, kidney problems and diabetes.  As we speak, there are babies being born who will have no immunity.   

Herd immunity hasn't worked in Sweden and it certainly hasn't worked in the US.   It doesn't work with influenza, Ebola or rabies and it won't work with Covid.   We don't even have any idea how long immunity lasts.  What research we have shows it may only last a matter of months and then re-infection can occur.   

So, do a little research and please stop posting your false information as an 'observation'.   

[mommysboy]

53 minutes ago, Credo said:

You are being a little disingenuous.  You are stating your observation as a fact.  It's not.   There are no diseases that ever been eliminated with herd immunity that did not include a vaccine.   Diseases are not static.   As long as it circulates there will be people who are healthy now who will develop diseases that make them susceptible to Covid, such as heart disease, kidney problems and diabetes.  As we speak, there are babies being born who will have no immunity.   

Herd immunity hasn't worked in Sweden and it certainly hasn't worked in the US.   It doesn't work with influenza, Ebola or rabies and it won't work with Covid.   We don't even have any idea how long immunity lasts.  What research we have shows it may only last a matter of months and then re-infection can occur.   

So, do a little research and please stop posting your false information as an 'observation'.   

 

It was a sadly, ironic 'observation' and nothing else.  It is a fact that 240,000 daily cases are now being reported, and we know that does not include all those that are undetected, whereas vaccinations are unlikely to match this even in full swing which is some months off.  240k is utter negligence in my view in a population of 330 million and I believe the general public is mad.  The science behind herd immunity however is clear.  Note, I am certainly not advocating any approach which does not protect the elderly, and sick. As to the numbers, well just do some simple math.

 

It was an observation, nothing more nothing less, to which you and others have added their own opinions- namely that I support the blithe approach of some countries, which I do not.  Actually, you could have asked.  You didn't- you blindly reacted.  

 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

 

It was a sadly, ironic 'observation' and nothing else.  It is a fact that 240,000 daily cases are now being reported, and we know that does not include all those that are undetected, whereas vaccinations are unlikely to match this even in full swing which is some months off.  240k is utter negligence in my view in a population of 330 million and I believe the general public is mad.  The science behind herd immunity however is clear.  Note, I am certainly not advocating any approach which does not protect the elderly, and sick. As to the numbers, well just do some simple math.

 

It was an observation, nothing more nothing less, to which you and others have added their own opinions- namely that I support the blithe approach of some countries, which I do not.  Actually, you could have asked.  You didn't- you blindly reacted.  

 

 

 

 

As this news article from Nature points out, reaching herd immunity depends on, among other things, how long immunity from natural infection lasts.

The false promise of herd immunity for COVID-19

The concept of achieving herd immunity through community spread of a pathogen rests on the unproven assumption that people who survive an infection will become immune...

Seasonal coronaviruses that cause common colds provoke a waning immunity that seems to last approximately a year, Buckee says. “It seems reasonable as a hypothesis to assume this one will be similar.”

The false promise of herd immunity for COVID-19 (nature.com)

 

Looks like you smoke a different brand of cigarettes from epidemiologists.

 

 

Why 'herd immunity' can't save us from COVID-19 - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

[meechai]

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

Look up excess mortality. And while you're at it, explain to us why ICU's are currently under unprecedented stress.

 

Are they? Where do you live? In our State we have 0 in ICU

 

BTW: Wow  2334 posts & you just joined in October? You have probably set unprecedented posts record ☺️

[meechai]

12 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

how 'bout you google it, post some charts and graphs, provide some links. 

 

Sorry not here for your education...as I said for the 3rd time now...will be interesting to see full picture in relation to previous years available soon (for myself thanks)

Edited December 19, 2020 by meechai

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, meechai said:

 

Are they? Where do you live? In our State we have 0 in ICU

 

BTW: Wow  2334 posts & you just joined in October? You have probably set unprecedented posts record ☺️

Which state would that be please?

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2 hours ago, meechai said:

 

Are they? Where do you live? In our State we have 0 in ICU

 

 

Currently Hospitalized by State | The COVID Tracking Project

 

 

Alaska | The COVID Tracking Project

 

 

Hawaii | The COVID Tracking Project

 

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[Credo]

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

Which state would that be please?

That would be the state of denial.   There are no states with zero patients in ICU.   

 

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3 hours ago, Credo said:

That would be the state of denial.   There are no states with zero patients in ICU.   

 

Given that he meechai refused to divulge which state he allegedly lived in, it's dead certain that the state he lives in is not denial but dishonesty.

[ChouDoufu]

12 hours ago, meechai said:

 

Sorry not here for your education...as I said for the 3rd time now...will be interesting to see full picture in relation to previous years available soon (for myself thanks)

 

more fuller educational info here: 

 

Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

you can download some data and make your own pictures.

 

okay, here's a picture.  not a "full" picture, only showing the first wave.

 

 

Weekly number of actual deaths in the United States from all causes compared to the maximum expected number from January 14, 2017 to August 1, 2020

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1168522/us-weekly-number-deaths-all-causes-acual-vs-maximum-estimate/

 

 

and a little more info:

 

VERIFY: Comparing total deaths in U.S. in 2018 vs. 2020 to determine impact of COVID-19

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/verify-comparing-total-deaths-in-us-in-2018-vs-2020-to-determine-impact-of-covid-19/ar-BB177nl9

 

 

 

Edited December 20, 2020 by ChouDoufu

[stevenl]

12 hours ago, meechai said:

 

Sorry not here for your education...as I said for the 3rd time now...will be interesting to see full picture in relation to previous years available soon (for myself thanks)

Over 300k excess deaths already. What more 'full picture' would you need?