transam Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 15 hours ago, Histavia said: Not exactly strange - the topic is the Brexit UK/EU deal and it seems that most leavers know nothing about it.....and display a huge ignorance about such things as history etc to boot - where's the flaw in that? "Ignorance", isn't it strange that your click keep using that word, I never use that word because I deem it derogatory, but, you talk about ignorance of our history, your click is telling me I should not post about history, now come on, make up your minds, chap(s).....???? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post transam Posted January 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2021 10 hours ago, Histavia said: So at least you're not arguing with my premise.. It has bee shown that the bulk of Brexiteers are less educated than leavers and undoubtedly their critical thinking abilities are less developed. In fact most Brexiteers probably don't actually realise Tha critical thinking is a thing. That is a completely condescending remark regarding the populace that voted to leave the EU. Now YOU show us a link/proof regarding your quoted... " It has been shown that the bulk of Brexiteers are less educated than leavers"....Go for it, I am waiting....???? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opl Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, tebee said: Brexit does seem characterised by incompetence doesn't it? This, from a leading Brexiters of all people. https://www.turbulenttimes.co.uk/news/brexit/brexit-incompetence-all-round/ thank you for sharing this absolute must read article, ... " But, given the almost complete inability of the British media to report the issues in any depth, one wonders whether more intense coverage would make any difference, other than spread the veneer of ignorance somewhat thinner" Edited January 20, 2021 by Opl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Reported posts removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 8 hours ago, kingdong said: If the scots want independence let them have a referendum,and if our northern neighbours want to side with the germans laughing at us,fine,but to coin a phase he who laughs last laughs the longest. "If the scots want independence let them have a referendum" Glad to see opinions are evolving. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tofer Posted January 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2021 14 hours ago, Histavia said: So at least you're not arguing with my premise.. It has bee shown that the bulk of Brexiteers are less educated than leavers and undoubtedly their critical thinking abilities are less developed. In fact most Brexiteers probably don't actually realise Tha critical thinking is a thing. I would suggest it is you who are lacking in the intelligence rankings, since you failed miserably to interpret the meaning of my slight on your earlier comment. Or, perhaps you simply do not understand the meaning of the word arrogant. Where exactly has it been (with an N) "shown..... blah blah.... less developed"? I would also suggest you work on your inability to spell, incorrect use of upper case and absence of punctuation in a sentence, before criticising others educational standing. Your hot air, insults and inconsequential opinion are baseless and of no significance, other than to express the frustrations of another thwarted and sulking remainer. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 10 hours ago, stevenl said: Would depend on your settings. I know, that’s how I set them, to block notification from baiters. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 12 hours ago, tebee said: You don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone. Why EU membership an the single market was important. A Brexit lesson: EU’s benefits, largely invisible, hurt to lose https://www.politico.eu/article/a-brexit-lesson-eus-benefits-largely-invisible-hurt-to-lose-single-market-boris-johnson/ Britons have finally understood (five years too late) why the European Union’s single market and customs union are important: They make EU internal borders invisible. Invisible benefits are easy to forget and hard to sell politically, they are also easy to dismiss and easy to lie about, but the cost of abandoning them can be steep Exactly. Bureaucracy was a barrier to trade before the single market, I fail to understand why would anyone think it was going to be any different outside the single market. Self delusion? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tofer Posted January 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, sandyf said: Exactly. Bureaucracy was a barrier to trade before the single market, I fail to understand why would anyone think it was going to be any different outside the single market. Self delusion? Exactly, you fail to understand! The protectionist EU bureaucracy was a barrier to the UK's ability to trade competitively on the wider global stage. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/20/furious-kent-residents-step-up-fight-over-brexit-lorry-park?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Tofer said: Exactly, you fail to understand! The protectionist EU bureaucracy was a barrier to the UK's ability to trade competitively on the wider global stage. The wider stage is the EU, over 40% of our exports. Now it's the last of the summer wine. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/18/a-multiple-pile-up-in-the-fog-wine-agents-fury-at-brexit-red-tape 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi from France Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) Spain says a better control of Gibraltar will stop The Rock from acting in ways that threaten Spain/EU interests, mostly hosting offshore societies cheating taxes and regulations while gaining access to our markets, I guess. Quote “Gibraltar has connections with the Gulf, Russia and Chinese economic players, especially Hong Kong, which could have developed in an uncontrolled manner in detriment of our country’s interests,” she said. https://www.politico.eu/article/gibraltar-deal-increases-spains-influence-in-the-rock-foreign-policy-chief-says/ Edited January 21, 2021 by Hi from France 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 5 hours ago, Hi from France said: Spain says a better control of Gibraltar will stop The Rock from acting in ways that threaten Spain/EU interests, mostly hosting offshore societies cheating taxes and regulations while gaining access to our markets, I guess. https://www.politico.eu/article/gibraltar-deal-increases-spains-influence-in-the-rock-foreign-policy-chief-says/ Gibraltar could yet face no-deal Brexit, chief minister warns Fabian Picardo says treaty allowing Gibraltar to join Schengen ‘should not be given for granted.’ The treaty will “no doubt” have a clause allowing all parties to undo the deal, Picardo added, leaving the door open for the British government to exit the arrangements in the future. https://www.politico.eu/article/gibraltar-no-deal-brexit-risk-border-spain-uk-schengen-fabian-picardo/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Everytime I feel bad, I search for “Brexit” on Google News and feel better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Just now, welovesundaysatspace said: Everytime I feel bad, I search for “Brexit” on Google News and feel better. This is all easily dealt with by the "Raab approach" ....sorry I just don't accept that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said: Everytime I feel bad, I search for “Brexit” on Google News and feel better. Why would you feel better, the first story on your list concerning the lady who was asked to pay an extra £82 for her coat said: "I didn't even know when the parcels would be coming - so I sent both back without paying the extra fees and won't be ordering anything from Europe again any time soon." Seems to me she'll be buying British goods in the future, as we all should.???????? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 On 1/19/2021 at 10:58 PM, tebee said: The Scots, laughing about the Germans laughing at us...... https://www.thenational.scot/news/18974343.der-spiegel-writer-takes-aim-uk-government-clowns-scathing-column/ HERE in the UK, Brexit is far from over. The consequences of Boris Johnson’s disastrous deal will impact generations and spell the end of the Union, according to constitutional experts. calm calm give it some time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 23 hours ago, Tofer said: Exactly, you fail to understand! Wrong. I knew understood perfectly well what documents I had to supply trading with Europe prior to the single market, documents that deterred many of out local business from exporting. I am also fully aware how that barrier to trade was removed with the introduction of the SM. You are obviously blinded by EU paranoia, as a member the UK was able to trade with other countries, the problems arose from many factors, little to do with the EU as the UK is about to find out. Only the delusional would think that leaving the EU will resolve distance and language barriers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, vogie said: Why would you feel better, the first story on your list concerning the lady who was asked to pay an extra £82 for her coat said: "I didn't even know when the parcels would be coming - so I sent both back without paying the extra fees and won't be ordering anything from Europe again any time soon." Seems to me she'll be buying British goods in the future, as we all should.???????? ...and presumably some frau will be experiencing something similar and crossing the UK off her list of shopping options...doh! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 13 minutes ago, vogie said: Why would you feel better, the first story on your list concerning the lady who was asked to pay an extra £82 for her coat said: "I didn't even know when the parcels would be coming - so I sent both back without paying the extra fees and won't be ordering anything from Europe again any time soon." Seems to me she'll be buying British goods in the future, as we all should.???????? Good to know at least one brexiteer here is in the uk and will be only buying british from now on... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vogie Posted January 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Good to know at least one brexiteer here is in the uk and will be only buying british from now on... Personally, I can live without sauerkraut and tete de veau, if you get my drift. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 That should be enough to stop these fisherman from whining on..........they should be able to see it just over the crest of the next wave.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 If you keep bickering on a personal level jibe the entire exchange and ALL your posts will be removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 3 hours ago, vogie said: Why would you feel better, the first story on your list concerning the lady who was asked to pay an extra £82 for her coat said: "I didn't even know when the parcels would be coming - so I sent both back without paying the extra fees and won't be ordering anything from Europe again any time soon." Seems to me she'll be buying British goods in the future, as we all should.???????? My question is ... why she not bought before from her own country shops ....? not nice enough or to pricey ..? So.... now she becomes a patriot ....???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vogie Posted January 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2021 Just now, david555 said: My question is ... why she not bought before from her own country shops ....? not nice enough or to pricey ..? So.... now she becomes a patriot ....???? I'm afraid I cannot help you there David as I'm not privy to all newspaper reports, most of the media now don't report facts, they just give you their opinion. Maybe she was a europhile and if so, I guess she won't be much longer. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Histavia Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Most gods bought in Uk are made abroad - for reasons of cost. The logistics set up over the last 3 decades involve free movement of all goods within EU. so distribution centres can be set up anywhere in the EU and then transported to destinations around the EU. UK is now outside that market so goods are subject to certain taxes, dories and fees when then go outside the EU. I paid VAT on goods coming from Thailand recently and it is now the same for any goods coming in from the EU regardless of source as the UK I no longer part of the EU-wide VAT system. This applies to goods made both inside and outside the EU. People wanting to sell direct to the UK will need to set up a separate import system directly into the UK and pay VAT or any other duties on arrival. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 minute ago, vogie said: I'm afraid I cannot help you there David as I'm not privy to all newspaper reports, most of the media now don't report facts, they just give you their opinion. Maybe she was a europhile and if so, I guess she won't be much longer. It was as just a general "mind question" of me.... , as i know already the answer ....".she liked more the clothes style from Paris , but can now not afford it any more " ..... she has my sympathy .....???? and Vogie .... don't look further ,don't let your sleep for it .... thanks anyway..... it was not a real question as you know before even starting to twist the phrase .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, david555 said: It was as just a general "mind question" of me.... , as i know already the answer ....".she liked more the clothes style from Paris , but can now not afford it any more " ..... she has my sympathy .....???? and Vogie .... don't look further ,don't let your sleep for it .... thanks anyway..... it was not a real question as you know before even starting to twist the phrase .... I would like to look into this story a little more and the reason that she is interested in Parisienne haute couture, and how you know she cannot afford these fine clothes from Paris, any link to what you said, or maybe she was just making a statement and has had enough of the EU like most of us has. Edited January 21, 2021 by vogie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Surelynot Posted January 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2021 Boris Johnson’s fairy tales....and yet it all seemed to be going so well......(a sample from today's news) Stormont’s agriculture minister Edwin Poots described Lewis as “the emperor with no clothes" Sir Elton John, Sting and more than 100 others have written to the government demanding action, arguing they have been shamefully failed over travel rules. The number of first doses dispensed on Monday fell for the third consecutive day Theresa May has a pop at Boris Johnson for abandoning the UK’s moral leadership around the world After fish, the meat industry is going to feel biggest pinch from Brexit. Lots of jobs and money shifting to Paris, thanks to Brexit. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post david555 Posted January 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1387068/michel-barnier-news-brexit-uk-EU-trade-deal-european-union-warning-latest-vn Gloating Michel Barnier mocks Brexit Britain as he issues warning not to quit EU bloc MICHEL BARNIER mocked Britain and issued a warning to the remaining European Union states that Brexit has demonstrated the danger of quitting the trading bloc. By SVAR NANAN-SEN PUBLISHED: 11:17, Thu, Jan 21, 2021 | UPDATED: 12:14, Thu, Jan 21, 2021 The European Union's Chief Brexit Negotiator was speaking at European Movement Ireland's European of the Year Award ceremony. Michel Barnier stated that Brexit did not trigger the end of the European Union as some people predicted but instead strengthen the unity within the trading bloc. more... Edited January 21, 2021 by david555 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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