6 hours ago, Surelynot said:

and then waits around for a few decades in the hope another golden goose comes along......pure genius

 

We're not waiting around for vaccinations, unlike the EU...

 

Oh, sorry, the French didn't manage to produce one yet....

21 hours ago, Hi from France said:

demanding specific attention, special rules and exemptions: more red tape more special committees and evaluation committees. 

 

How's your vaccination programme coming along, or are you still waiting for the EU bureaucrats, and the Pasteur Institute to pull their finger out....

5 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

I think you'll find the majority of the terms are free trade agreements, unlike those of the EU.

 

What was it - 87% tariff on NZ beef?

Oh...! you understood apparently my answer wrong .... i really think the E.U. is proud U.K. still to follow..., / use..., / rubberstamp..., / those E.U. rules as "U.K. certified ones " ????

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7 hours ago, Tofer said:

Sorry, we don't do horse meat in the UK...

just look it up this is beef, of course

Tofer so happy he's got vaccinations to crow about, at last! one over the EU! Apart from that it's all bad news for the UK regarding Brexit and it will continue to be. Even the Nissan / Sunderland story wasn't a 'win' , just a 'Well, thank god they're not leaving.'

Reminds me of supporting Hull City football club when they were in the Premier League. A draw was a relief!

 

 

My hovercraft is full of eels, and it's heading to the EU.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-55818519

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNP7uQQT-oo

7 hours ago, Tofer said:

Covid vaccination roll out in UK is far more successful and better manged than in Europe.

we have talked over and over and over about that

 

how is this related to being in the EU or not? The UK started approving vaccine before the EMA, but any country could do that.

 

and by the way, the EMA didn't approve the Pfizer because the industrial process did not comply with the testing (the % ARN was incorrect). So the UK and Israel started vaccination with the first batch of vaccine that should not have been approved for jabs...

 

 

 

7 hours ago, Tofer said:

Improved immigration controls, due to the termination of the EU open boarders / free movement policy.

made a post about that up above, look it up

• EU citizen are leaving England (-200.000 last year) but there is a slow growth in Wales and Scotland

Now the question: who are the 200.000 Europeans who left England last year? From what I read, they are nurses, doctors, business owners, and skilled people, not open boarders ... do you have data? I believe my articles gave more info

 

 

7 hours ago, Tofer said:

Freedom to trade world wide, without the restrictions imposed by the EU - 63 new trade deals to date and increasing.....

This is ideology, give us data please

 

our sources on this thread show british exports collapsing

 

 

7 hours ago, Tofer said:

Brexit was never intended to be an instantaneous golden egg

sure, but I still do not see exactly what are the new data on your promises for the future

 

as we say in France "promises only bind those who believe in them",

 

 

 

Brexiteers keep on making promises about prosperity, international trade, attracting talent in the UK, and until now what did you deliver exactly ?

 

 

 

Instead of feelings and promises, if you have actual verifiable data please share it with us, but the data I get tells me Brexiteers politicians do no deliver :

• covid death count is the highest in the world (or second-highest),
• jobs are fleeing the UK,
• investments are made elsewhere,
• financial markets are re-localizing in the EU 
• trade is jammed et dwindling

 

 

 

and the only thing you actually have are ...more promises

 

 

Also in the UK it's becoming clear that any online orders of goods from EU countries now come with hidden taxes, fees and customs duties that are not mentioned on the websites, but must be handed to the couriers before they will release the package, just like buying from the US.

 

You simply don't know how much anything will cost from abroad anymore, because different tariffs apply to different kinds of goods.  Additionally as the UK is no longer in the  EU, EU law  does not apply in sales to Britain, so statutory agreements about right to return within certain time limits can't be enforced.

 

Though there will be a chorus of "buy British", since the destruction of manufacturing in Britain by the same party that gave us Brexit, there is not much that Britain makes any more, and the effect is to massively limit consumer choice.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2021/jan/27/anna-customs-duty

My 'Brexit bonus' proved to be a customs duty bill from DHL

My daughter purchased some prints and frames online from Sweden on 30 December. The cost (including VAT) was £71.74 with “free delivery”, which she paid. She has now been told by DHL there is an “import duty” due of £25.34 – more than a third of the original price. Is this what the government means by a “Brexit bonus”?

GW, Edinburgh

I bought some trainers from a company in Italy which cost in total €490. I ordered two pairs of different sizes and styles, intending sending one back.

The shoes arrived today by DHL followed by a text saying I owe £131 in import duty. Why was there no indication of this when I ordered them? Also, what should I be entitled to if I send one pair back?

RG, London

8 hours ago, bannork said:

60 of those 61 trade deals are simply rollover deals from EU days.

 

I doubt very much they are identical, or do you have the details to prove it?

 

8 hours ago, bannork said:

Vaccination better but 100,000 dead from Covid. Bad, bad, governance.

 

Easy target the government, aren't they.... Of course it's got nothing to do with the stupid, selfish and inconsiderate people who ignore the lockdown rules and protection advice. A friend in UK tells me a group of 400 people were caught holding a rave recently - did the government organise that as well?

 

 

2 hours ago, bannork said:

Tofer so happy he's got vaccinations to crow about, at last! one over the EU!

 

Got nothing to do with crowing, just pointing out that we are better off outside the inefficient EU bureaucracy.

 

2 hours ago, bannork said:

Apart from that it's all bad news for the UK regarding Brexit and it will continue to be.

 

A somewhat exaggerated statement, and are we relying on crystal balls again?

16 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

I doubt very much they are identical, or do you have the details to prove it?

 

 

Easy target the government, aren't they.... Of course it's got nothing to do with the stupid, selfish and inconsiderate people who ignore the lockdown rules and protection advice. A friend in UK tells me a group of 400 people were caught holding a rave recently - did the government organise that as well?

 

 

And what about all the coppers at bethnal green who got fined for organising a mass haircut in the nick?

4 hours ago, Tofer said:

 

We're not waiting around for vaccinations, unlike the EU...

 

Oh, sorry, the French didn't manage to produce one yet....

Say the man who complain about  the E.U. is ....gloating   ????

5 hours ago, Tofer said:

 

We're not waiting around for vaccinations, unlike the EU...

 

Oh, sorry, the French didn't manage to produce one yet....

Your vaccins are imported from Belgium.

3 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

Your vaccins are imported from Belgium.

And the U.K....lives on an Island.....????

4 hours ago, Tofer said:

 

We're not waiting around for vaccinations, unlike the EU...

 

Oh, sorry, the French didn't manage to produce one yet....

What planet do you live on ? The Uk started with the a vaccine created by a German startup (BioNTech) and produced in Belgium (in Puurs) and that the Brexit deal we are talking about here caused huge logistical problems to get to the UK.

 

.... You also know that, as of yesterday, there are considerable doubts on the efficiency of Oxford-AstraZaneca, who could be as low as 8% on the elderly.

 

Quote

An article in German business daily Handelsblatt had reported that the German government was expecting the European Medicines Agency’s (EMA) assessment to show the AstraZeneca vaccine to be only 8% effective among the over-65s, describing it a “setback for Berlin’s vaccination strategy”.

Germany challenges AstraZeneca Covid vaccine efficacy reports

 

 

What planet do you live on ? a petty nationalist one ? ????

Edited January 27, 20215 yr by Hi from France

2 hours ago, partington said:

Also in the UK it's becoming clear that any online orders of goods from EU countries now come with hidden taxes, fees and customs duties that are not mentioned on the websites, but must be handed to the couriers before they will release the package, just like buying from the US.

 

You simply don't know how much anything will cost from abroad anymore, because different tariffs apply to different kinds of goods.  Additionally as the UK is no longer in the  EU, EU law  does not apply in sales to Britain, so statutory agreements about right to return within certain time limits can't be enforced.

 

Though there will be a chorus of "buy British", since the destruction of manufacturing in Britain by the same party that gave us Brexit, there is not much that Britain makes any more, and the effect is to massively limit consumer choice.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2021/jan/27/anna-customs-duty

My 'Brexit bonus' proved to be a customs duty bill from DHL

My daughter purchased some prints and frames online from Sweden on 30 December. The cost (including VAT) was £71.74 with “free delivery”, which she paid. She has now been told by DHL there is an “import duty” due of £25.34 – more than a third of the original price. Is this what the government means by a “Brexit bonus”?

GW, Edinburgh

I bought some trainers from a company in Italy which cost in total €490. I ordered two pairs of different sizes and styles, intending sending one back.

The shoes arrived today by DHL followed by a text saying I owe £131 in import duty. Why was there no indication of this when I ordered them? Also, what should I be entitled to if I send one pair back?

RG, London

and i ordered some parts from poland while we were in the eu,turned out they were gash and not as described,could have got a far superior product from the state s .

2 hours ago, partington said:

 

My 'Brexit bonus' proved to be a customs duty bill from DHL

My daughter purchased some prints and frames online from Sweden on 30 December. The cost (including VAT) was £71.74 with “free delivery”, which she paid. She has now been told by DHL there is an “import duty” due of £25.34 – more than a third of the original price. Is this what the government means by a “Brexit bonus”?

GW, Edinburgh

I bought some trainers from a company in Italy which cost in total €490. I ordered two pairs of different sizes and styles, intending sending one back.

The shoes arrived today by DHL followed by a text saying I owe £131 in import duty. Why was there no indication of this when I ordered them? Also, what should I be entitled to if I send one pair back?

RG, London

Shoukd have bought british would have saved all that carry on.

1 hour ago, Tofer said:

I doubt very much they are identical, or do you have the details to prove it?

Sources gave been provided many times on this forum.

Here's a few from a few seconds long search on Google:

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7792/CBP-7792.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwir3_GCtLzuAhUvxoUKHZy-BCMQFjALegQIKBAB&usg=AOvVaw15aYipu0cDDkli28nkNNkB

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47213842

https://www.ey.com/en_uk/ey-brexit/status-of-uk-trade-agreements-with-non-eu-countries

https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=331bd06e-b7ee-49c9-8fd2-12998a24122d

 

30 minutes ago, kingdong said:

and i ordered some parts from poland while we were in the eu,turned out they were gash and not as described,could have got a far superior product from the state s .

A one-off bad product against what is now standard practice. 

 

Yeah, that makes your argument.

 

PH

1 hour ago, Hi from France said:

What planet do you live on ? The Uk started with the a vaccine created by a German startup (BioNTech) and produced in Belgium (in Puurs) and that the Brexit deal we are talking about here caused huge logistical problems to get to the UK.

 

.... You also know that, as of yesterday, there are considerable doubts on the efficiency of Oxford-AstraZaneca, who could be as low as 8% on the elderly.

 

Germany challenges AstraZeneca Covid vaccine efficacy reports

 

 

What planet do you live on ? a petty nationalist one ? ????

From your own link

A later statement by the German health ministry suggested the report had mixed up the efficacy rate for over-65s with the number of seniors involved in AstraZeneca’s trials.

“At first sight it appears that two things have been muddled in the reports,” said the statement. “Around 8% of participants in the AstraZeneca efficacy trials were aged between 56 and 69 years old, only 3 to 4% were over 70. This does not result in an efficacy of only 8% among seniors.”

42 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

A one-off bad product against what is now standard practice. 

 

Yeah, that makes your argument.

 

PH

My point raised was that theres a whole world out there not just the eu.

9 hours ago, Opl said:

"The 2021 Henley Passport Index, which conducts a survey every year to analyze which countries’ passports offer the most visa-free travels, has placed the UK in seventh position in the world, meaning that despite all the pre-Brexit worries about the freedom to travel being more limited, the new blue passport is one place up from its eighth position last year, although only 7 years ago, in 2014, the UK passport was the strongest in the world."

 

The UK Passport Is MORE Powerful After Brexit a survey revealed (euroweeklynews.com)

How Powerful Is Your Passport? These Are The Best, Post-Pandemic, In 2021 (forbes.com)

 

See how the final years of EU membership damaged us?

3 hours ago, Hi from France said:

What planet do you live on ? The Uk started with the a vaccine created by a German startup (BioNTech) and produced in Belgium (in Puurs) and that the Brexit deal we are talking about here caused huge logistical problems to get to the UK.

 

.... You also know that, as of yesterday, there are considerable doubts on the efficiency of Oxford-AstraZaneca, who could be as low as 8% on the elderly.

 

Germany challenges AstraZeneca Covid vaccine efficacy reports

 

 

What planet do you live on ? a petty nationalist one ? ????

 

A sovereign planet - it rocks and we have our own moon!  ????

So the US and EU agree banking equivalence, allowing US banks to serve  EU customers.

 

Just a shame we couldn't do this because of "Sovereignty"

 

Bye-bye city of London .....

 

 https://www.reuters.com/article/eu-usa-clearing-idUSL1N2K20RU

 

Clearing houses ensure the completion of a stock trade even if one side of the deal goes bust, and the EU had already granted market access for U.S. clearing houses for derivatives.

 

 

But Wednesday’s open-ended “equivalence” decision by Brussels contrasts with the time-limited access the EU has given clearers in Britain since it fully left the bloc on Dec. 31.

 

UK clearers, including the London arm of LCH, only have access for 18 months until June 2022, time the EU said this week that banks in the bloc should use to shift chunks of their euro derivatives positions to the euro zone.

7 hours ago, kingdong said:

My point raised was that theres a whole world out there not just the eu.

An entire world that is just falling over itself to trade with UK.  Meanwhile countless businesses are having huge difficulty in continuing to trade with our nearest and biggest market; some are shutting up shop, others opening branches abroad so they can continue. 

 

But you knew what you were voting for.

 

PH

1 hour ago, Phulublub said:

But you knew what you were voting for.

Nothing, as yet, has happened that wasn't expected. One month is too early to say 'I told you so'. 

1 hour ago, Phulublub said:

An entire world that is just falling over itself to trade with UK.  Meanwhile countless businesses are having huge difficulty in continuing to trade with our nearest and biggest market; some are shutting up shop, others opening branches abroad so they can continue. 

 

But you knew what you were voting for.

 

PH

Shutting up shop?you ain,t seen nothing yet,haven,t you heard about the corona pandemic?

14 hours ago, david555 said:

Say the man who complain about  the E.U. is ....gloating 

 

You reap what you sow, and people in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones....

14 hours ago, oldhippy said:

Your vaccins are imported from Belgium.

 

Then why does the EU want the ones from the UK, and propose controlling any exports from the EU?