Tofer Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, david555 said: but dont count on what is produced in the E.U....when your U.K. astra zeneca fails to deliver the amounts agreed ... What amounts were agreed. Difficult to say since the EU refuse to make public the contract with OAZ, and I wonder why that is? I would be inclined to believe OAZ's version of the story, that the contract is based on "best endeavours / efforts", of course once the EU approve it's use... You really think USA's Pfizer will renege on their supply contract to the UK.... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post nauseus Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 hours ago, vinny41 said: Desperation from your side again, The EU wants vaccine produced in the UK and Macron would block entry to that vaccine as previously stated both you and the German MEP haven't really thought this one through It might get in if they keep it away from the ham sarnies. 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tofer Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, candide said: "Freedom to trade world wide, without the restrictions imposed by the EU - 63 new trade deals to date and increasing....." Followed by, "I doubt very much they are identical" - which you agreed with in your follow on post confirming they were "broadly equivalent". So where's the contradiction in my stance? And where do I infer - 1 hour ago, candide said: The freedom to get part of the same benefits as before - particular when I already stated "free of EU imposed restrictions"..... I think you gave up digging that hole and resorted to building a very thick brick wall, for me to bang my head on.... Enoughs enough. ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 On 1/26/2021 at 5:12 PM, nauseus said: Maybe now you can see what I meant? No, as, for not the first time, it seems even you don't know what you meant! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nauseus Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, 7by7 said: No, as, for not the first time, it seems even you don't know what you meant! Look up pompous if you're not sure of the meaning of the word. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 7by7 Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2021 On 1/26/2021 at 8:18 PM, Loiner said: EU pettiness and Remainer bitterness. We've left the EU and as a result we can no longer enjoy the benefits of membership. You call this "EU pettiness." Typical whinging Brexiteer. You got what you voted for; live with it. "Remainer bitterness?" You bet; bitterness that the lies of the leave campaigners and the gullibility of so many Brexiteers who fell for those lies has damaged my country for at least a generation. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, nauseus said: Look up pompous if you're not sure of the meaning of the word. 555555 It is you who needs to refer to a dictionary. Look up your old posts, too; that way you wont contradict yourself so often. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi from France Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 hours ago, candide said: A BBC article mentions the EU arguments: - the UK sites were stipulated as primary sites in the contract - the money paid in advance went into UK sites. "In a nutshell, here is why EU officials are furious with AstraZeneca. They say the contract between them and the pharmaceutical giant clearly stipulates that the two main vaccine production factories in the UK are to be classed as primary manufacturing sites, and the production sites in Belgium and the Netherlands are secondary priorities." "In fact, EU officials point out to me that EU money went into upgrading the facilities in the UK and that they fully expected it to be operational for them." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55822602 this topic would deserve to have its own thread, we are moving away from the brexit deal, and I'm afraid all our posts here are going to be wiped out 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Eh up Ethel, this Brexit business ain't jus teething troubles... https://www.reuters.com/article/britain-eu-economy/graphic-first-flashes-of-brexit-trade-trouble-appear-in-uk-data-idUSL8N2K24AL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 41 minutes ago, Tofer said: Followed by, "I doubt very much they are identical" - which you agreed with in your follow on post confirming they were "broadly equivalent". So where's the contradiction in my stance? And where do I infer - - particular when I already stated "free of EU imposed restrictions"..... I think you gave up digging that hole and resorted to building a very thick brick wall, for me to bang my head on.... Enoughs enough. ???? Ok. So we agree that (1) while the rollover or continuity deals are not exactly identical, they are similar or broadly equivalent (2) for the time being, UK did not get any additional benefit from being able to strike its own deals. That's fine for me. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 21 minutes ago, bannork said: Eh up Ethel, this Brexit business ain't jus teething troubles... https://www.reuters.com/article/britain-eu-economy/graphic-first-flashes-of-brexit-trade-trouble-appear-in-uk-data-idUSL8N2K24AL Naah! It's because they are remainer companies! ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 hours ago, vinny41 said: It seems the German MEP Peter Liese has been watching old episodes of Blackadder Frau Merkel 'I have a cunning plan we deny those cursed Brits access to any vaccine produced on European soil and at the same time we will demand they provide us with vaccine produced from their British plants As for taking things out of proportion who was it that posted "on E.U. soil any vaccine can be confiscated / drafted , based on health risk for population " Could happen if it showing something did not go correct in dividing the vaccines in normal agreed way ...call it controling our own soil ...and what is on it ....stored ...produced ... desperate times makes desperate measures ...especially if one side play dirty ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, 7by7 said: 555555 It is you who needs to refer to a dictionary. Look up your old posts, too; that way you wont contradict yourself so often. Find me one example to start me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Tofer said: What amounts were agreed. Difficult to say since the EU refuse to make public the contract with OAZ, and I wonder why that is? I would be inclined to believe OAZ's version of the story, that the contract is based on "best endeavours / efforts", of course once the EU approve it's use... You really think USA's Pfizer will renege on their supply contract to the UK.... ? "To prove its case, the commission called on AstraZeneca to publish the vaccine contract, which is currently restricted by a confidentiality clause." https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/27/eu-vaccine-bust-up-astrazeneca 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opl Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tofer said: What amounts were agreed. Difficult to say since the EU refuse to make public the contract with OAZ, and I wonder why that is? I would be inclined to believe OAZ's version of the story, that the contract is based on "best endeavours / efforts", of course once the EU approve it's use... You really think USA's Pfizer will renege on their supply contract to the UK.... ? You place orders for doses - not vials - originally 5 doses per vial , and then Pfizer delivers "up to 6 doses" per vial. ..for the same price, .business as usual Edited January 28, 2021 by Opl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, candide said: "To prove its case, the commission called on AstraZeneca to publish the vaccine contract, which is currently restricted by a confidentiality clause." https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/27/eu-vaccine-bust-up-astrazeneca They should know better then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1390237/EU-vaccine-row-UK-latest-Brussels-AstraZeneca-factory-Belgium-Ursula-von-der-Leyen EU vaccine row explodes as Brussels orders 'spot checks' on AstraZeneca factory in Belgium THE EU has ordered a spot check on AstraZeneca's vaccine factory in Belgium in the latest blow from Brussels against the coronavirus jab provider. By Alessandra Scotto di Santolo 12:27, Thu, Jan 28, 2021 | UPDATED: 13:08, Thu, Jan 28, 2021 Belgian medicines agency inspectors were sent to the plant on Tuesday, it has been reported, amid growing tensions between the bloc and AstraZeneca. The Novasep's factory in the town of Seneffe is part of the European production chain for the Oxford University coronavirus vaccine. more... Edited January 28, 2021 by david555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tofer Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 hours ago, 7by7 said: You call this "EU pettiness." What else would you call it; Rejection of shipping documents because of punctuation errors. Confiscation of truckers sandwiches. Threats to disrupt energy supplies, if the EU don't get their way with fishing quotas in 2016. Threats to block vaccines exports, if the EU aren't allowed to queue jump the supply agreements. Etc, etc.... Maybe not petty, just downright vindictive, and fearful of the UK making a success and threatening the future of their precious club. 2 hours ago, 7by7 said: "Remainer bitterness?" You bet; bitterness that the lies of the leave campaigners and the gullibility of so many Brexiteers who fell for those lies has damaged my country for at least a generation. Wow, that's one powerful set of crystal balls you've got there, a whole generation of forecasting.... Who'd believe it... ???? Although, I would buy a set from the UK, they are far less pessimistic and much more realistic than the ones you got from the EU.... 2 hours ago, 7by7 said: We've left the EU and as a result we can no longer enjoy the benefits of membership. We no longer have to suffer their incompetent and bloated bureaucracy either, or being manacled to their protectionist rules, laws and regulations. ???? ???? 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tofer Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, david555 said: especially if one side play dirty ... Oh, so you've seen the contract for the vaccines have you? Kindly enlighten us on how the UK / OAZ are playing dirty.... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tofer Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2021 52 minutes ago, candide said: "To prove its case, the commission called on AstraZeneca to publish the vaccine contract, which is currently restricted by a confidentiality clause." Which the EU refuse to override and release the details - too much potential egg on face I suspect, as it wouldn't bode well for the EU's campaign to jump the queue, and cover up it's own organisational failings. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tofer Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 47 minutes ago, Opl said: You place orders for doses - not vials - originally 5 doses per vial , and then Pfizer delivers "up to 6 doses" per vial. ..for the same price, .business as usual And, your point is?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vinny41 Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, candide said: "To prove its case, the commission called on AstraZeneca to publish the vaccine contract, which is currently restricted by a confidentiality clause." https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/27/eu-vaccine-bust-up-astrazeneca Sounds like the EU wants it cake and eat it It wants AstraZeneca to publish the vaccine contract between AstraZeneca and the UK but doesn't want the contract published between AstraZeneca and the EU Is the EU prepared to published the Contract between AstraZeneca and the EU 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Opl said: You place orders for doses - not vials - originally 5 doses per vial , and then Pfizer delivers "up to 6 doses" per vial. ..for the same price, .business as usual Sweden had a contract to buy the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine at five doses a vial. But Pfizer increased the dose size to six on January 8 and started charging Sweden for six doses per vial. Sweden is pausing payments to Pfizer until it gets clarity on why it's being charged for more than agreed. https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-suspends-pfizer-vaccine-payments-suspects-overcharged-2021-1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandPapillon Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, vinny41 said: Sweden had a contract to buy the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine at five doses a vial. But Pfizer increased the dose size to six on January 8 and started charging Sweden for six doses per vial. Sweden is pausing payments to Pfizer until it gets clarity on why it's being charged for more than agreed. https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-suspends-pfizer-vaccine-payments-suspects-overcharged-2021-1 that company is really greedy and playing a dangerous game, the last dose, the 6th, is the "failover" dose, because manipulating the container is tricky, and you lose a bit of it when using a syringe now they want to charge for it, they are playing a dangerous game, could be banned eventually from doing business with the EU 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Tofer said: Oh, so you've seen the contract for the vaccines have you? Kindly enlighten us on how the UK / OAZ are playing dirty.... Dont reply so stupid ... as i said IF... besides another poster already mentioned that E.U. ask Astra Z. to make the contract publi as it under confidensiality clause ...all depends the running investigation now... BTW strange on Express a article that U.K. just got another 60 million doses received https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1390149/uk-vaccines-coronavirus-covid19-vaccines-eu-Valneva-astrazeneca And a sudden ....somebody started sweating maybe...? https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1390254/Boris-Johnson-news-cave-eu-covid-vaccine-latest-AstraZeneca-oxford-uk-Pfizer-jab-row Boris to cave to EU: No10 hints Britain could ship Covid jabs to Brussels bloc next month BRITAIN could start shipping Covid jabs to the EU as early next month, the Prime minister's official spokesman has hinted. By Dan Falvey, Political Correspondent 13:01, Thu, Jan 28, 2021 | UPDATED: 14:06, Thu, Jan 28, 2021 Edited January 28, 2021 by david555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said: that company is really greedy and playing a dangerous game, the last dose, the 6th, is the "failover" dose, because manipulating the container is tricky, and you lose a bit of it when using a syringe now they want to charge for it, they are playing a dangerous game, could be banned eventually from doing business with the EU The Trump administration had no problem acquiescing to the 6 dose claim by Pfizer. But the Biden administration got tough. It will only count individual vials as 6 doses if Pfizer ships them with special low dead space syringes. With that type of syringe it's no problem to get 6 doses out of a vial. Sweden should follow the Biden administration's lead. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, david555 said: https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1390237/EU-vaccine-row-UK-latest-Brussels-AstraZeneca-factory-Belgium-Ursula-von-der-Leyen EU vaccine row explodes as Brussels orders 'spot checks' on AstraZeneca factory in Belgium THE EU has ordered a spot check on AstraZeneca's vaccine factory in Belgium in the latest blow from Brussels against the coronavirus jab provider. By Alessandra Scotto di Santolo 12:27, Thu, Jan 28, 2021 | UPDATED: 13:08, Thu, Jan 28, 2021 Belgian medicines agency inspectors were sent to the plant on Tuesday, it has been reported, amid growing tensions between the bloc and AstraZeneca. The Novasep's factory in the town of Seneffe is part of the European production chain for the Oxford University coronavirus vaccine. more... But Ms Kyriakides said: "We reject the logic of first come first served. I think Ms Kyriakides needs to get out more in the real world of business as business does operate on the basis of first come first served Most automotive manfactures if producing a specialized car such as lamborghini, Ferrari or Aston Martin often its the case that demand exceeds supply. In some cases they have lists available of people that have placed orders with deposits and the the queue number and expected date of delivery.Now some people have been known to contact a person that is near the top of the queue and ask them if they are willing to sell their queue position for a price Link is same link as above https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1390237/EU-vaccine-row-UK-latest-Brussels-AstraZeneca-factory-Belgium-Ursula-von-der-Leyen Edited January 28, 2021 by vinny41 forgot url 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, vinny41 said: But Ms Kyriakides said: "We reject the logic of first come first served. I think Ms Kyriakides needs to get out more in the real world of business as business does operate on the basis of first come first served Most automotive manfactures if producing a specialized car such as lamborghini, Ferrari or Aston Martin often its the case that demand exceeds supply. In some cases they have lists available of people that have placed orders with deposits and the the queue number and expected date of delivery.Now some people have been known to contact a person that is near the top of the queue and ask them if they are willing to sell their queue position for a price So vaccinating a population properly belongs in the realm of business and not public health? The guiding principle should be first come first served and not the best way to save the most lives? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, vinny41 said: But Ms Kyriakides said: "We reject the logic of first come first served. I think Ms Kyriakides needs to get out more in the real world of business as business does operate on the basis of first come first served Most automotive manfactures if producing a specialized car such as lamborghini, Ferrari or Aston Martin often its the case that demand exceeds supply. In some cases they have lists available of people that have placed orders with deposits and the the queue number and expected date of delivery.Now some people have been known to contact a person that is near the top of the queue and ask them if they are willing to sell their queue position for a price I updated my original post now ...the best news is in the updated ....links included as i know you like that .???? Edited January 28, 2021 by david555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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