9 hours ago, rak sa_ngop said:

So where have you read that vaccinations are 100 % effective?

 

Enlighten us please.

But vaccinations cost money and that's a commodity the Government don't want to let go .

1 minute ago, Percy P said:

But vaccinations cost money and that's a commodity the Government don't want to let go of.

 

10 hours ago, ukrules said:

They're idiots, vaccination is the only way out of this mess and as such it's their ultimate goal yet it's obviously not good enough for them.

 

I suspect they will also be quarantining recovered patients as well, those who are immune to it?

1. Vaccine is not 100%

2. Just coz you've had it does not make you immune.

 

Your first 2 words i agree with.

10 hours ago, Natai Beach said:

When it is proven I am sure they will reverse this decision. Pretty sure they are not idiots. 

I’m pretty sure they are! But since you are here please explain with current vaccines tracking anywhere from 60% to 95% efficacy how do you prove it works with all individuals. You can’t, therefore getting a vaccine to come into Thailand becomes pointless and just another reason not to get vaccinated For those who are sceptical. Its completely typical of Thailand to simply keep raising the bar to see what they can get away with. When the rest of the world opens up around them and those economies begin to flourish again that will be the incentive to get with the real world. If not...we’ll it will more than likely implode from within from civil discontent.

Are you doing that for sure TYLER and will get back to normal till probably 2023TIT

Well , not unlogical at this point yet . Once more people are vaccinated and the numbers start progressing in a good way for the vaccinated people , then we could/will see a change in policy. Right now , all that data isn't out yet , and not enough people have been vaccinated yet , and plenty of countries are struggling to keep it all under control . Give it 2-3 months and we should start to see big improvements , and if that is the case ( let's all hope ) then the rules can be adjusted .

9 hours ago, RR2020 said:

The vaccinations are not 100%

 

If they are 90% or 95%......that means potentially 10 people in 100 or 5 people in 100 are coming in with Covid.

 

And that will spread to all Thais as Thailand has no herd immunity and is very susceptible.

 

So of course 14 days quarantine must remain.

 

 

Until Thai's are vaccinated (due to commence May or June 2021) and all the at risk are done (by say October 2021) then ASQ and quarantine must remain for all people entering Thailand.

I've seen some ridiculous maths but this has to be the worst. 

Why would foreigners want to come to Thailand vaccinated or not. Tourism will not begin to restart until 2022 earliest meanwhile Thailand should concentrate on vaccinating its own people urgently 

9 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

Meanwhile, six acquaintances with homes and a life here, who were either outside the country when the lock down started or had to leave for personal reasons during the summer,  have recently re-entered Thailand, done their ASQ andare now enjoying the peace and quiet.

 

Two more will be here before the end of February.

 

Yup, we're "putting the band back together" but, like Motel 6, we'll keep a light on for you.

They,ll be copping plenty of "peace anf quite"when thsiland locks down.

As always there are two sides to the equation.

The country you live in and the receiving country.

If both countries have 60% plus of their population vaccinated the community risks while not non existent are low.

Those countries currently with high infection rates such as UK, Europe and USA will be content with a higher risk threshold than those with zero or near zero(Australia and NZ).

I'm seeing the second half of 2021 as lots of bubbles with 2022 being more a declining list of no go countries.. Libya, Syria etc

From Thailand's perspective the sooner they start vaccinations the better.In reality however reasonable availability of vaccines is at least 2-3 months away. How they roll it out is a local decision but perhaps pick a medium province and do a trial.

What would stuff the world is if the vaccine only gave 4-6 months of immunity as you would be continually chasing your tail.

Quarantine of some nature will be with us until September at the very least. Malaysia has reduced the quarantine period to ten days and perhaps countries may be more willing to accept home isolation with some form of monitoring.

The March to June period of 2021 will provide many answers.

15 minutes ago, sezze said:

Well , not unlogical at this point yet . Once more people are vaccinated and the numbers start progressing in a good way for the vaccinated people , then we could/will see a change in policy. Right now , all that data isn't out yet , and not enough people have been vaccinated yet , and plenty of countries are struggling to keep it all under control . Give it 2-3 months and we should start to see big improvements , and if that is the case ( let's all hope ) then the rules can be adjusted .

Exactly this.  Once infection rates start dropping most countries will make incremental decreases in travel restrictions.  

A few politicians, elderly people in care facilities, essential workers, honestly, how many of them are planning a Thai holiday, after their booster?

 

Once vaccines have a track record, and a lot of Thais have been vaccinated, then quarantine might be relaxed with proof of a vaccine.

 

So 2022-ish.

3 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

A few politicians, elderly people in care facilities, essential workers, honestly, how many of them are planning a Thai holiday, after their booster?

 

Once vaccines have a track record, and a lot of Thais have been vaccinated, then quarantine might be relaxed with proof of a vaccine.

 

So 2022-ish.

Can the thai economy last that long?

Edited December 30, 20205 yr by kingdong

It's like what comes first the chicken or the egg? Maybe the next thing they should do is have a points system. If your vaccine comes from Russia 30 points from China 20 points from Eu 90 points and the US 90 points. Passing would be 60 points than no quarantine is necessary.

Meanwhile, the most dangerous foreigners who have not been tested or vaccinated are just wondering in and out of Thailand without Quarantine. Guarding the gate on a fenceless property comes to mind.....

 

Don't stop there.

Those who have been vaccinated outside of Thailand will have to pay to be vaccinated again in Thailand. 

 

Makes sense.  Some of these jabs don't mean you won't get the virus.  Just won't get as sick.  You can still be shedding the virus and feel ok.  Just like 20-40% today who are asymptomatic.

 

A quarantine sense.  Sadly!!!!!!!!!!!!

3 hours ago, Virt said:

 

Yet WHO fears it will become an endemic, which means we will have to get used to vaccines jabs once in a while.

 

If so, i wonder how Thailand will react to that.

They can't put people in quarantine forever.

Of course it will be endemic. Spanish flu is still here why would anyone think this virus will? I agree though locking people up forever is not and has not worked.

  We crawled out of the swamp through survival of the fittest. That is how we can and should move forward.  Sad but true. Its not coincidental that the young are seemingly so unaffected by it.

11 hours ago, Natai Beach said:

 

When it is proven I am sure they will reverse this decision. Pretty sure they are not idiots. 
 

The UK has started vaccinations, but also just had their worst week for infections which will probably lead to the worst month for deaths in January and February and have a new mutant highly infectious strain that is now making itself around the world because of people traveling. 

The only countries who are vaccinating currently rushed into it out of need. So we don’t really want them here do we. 
 

If they don’t want to abide by Thailand’s rules, then bad luck, stay home. Look what happened at the Swiss ski resort.
 

I applaud this sensible decision. 
 

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/uk-covid-case-update-looming-disaster-as-hospitals-overflow/news-story/f37b646c4878a687d8114af513a7cb3c

 

Well said !

14 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Makes sense.  Some of these jabs don't mean you won't get the virus.  Just won't get as sick.  You can still be shedding the virus and feel ok.  Just like 20-40% today who are asymptomatic.

 

A quarantine sense.  Sadly!!!!!!!!!!!!

Does it make sense? Are you even reading what you wrote here? Quarantine, vaccine, shutdown the entire <deleted> planet! Most people get sick and then get over it, some dont even show symptomes. Those that have died would have probably died from the flu or some other sickness, because they had poor health or weakend immune systems. The world has gone mad, and you are saying it makes sense?

A very sensible decision until vaccines have been fully proven. 

4 minutes ago, jossthaifarang said:

Does it make sense? Are you even reading what you wrote here? Quarantine, vaccine, shutdown the entire <deleted> planet! Most people get sick and then get over it, some dont even show symptomes. Those that have died would have probably died from the flu or some other sickness, because they had poor health or weakend immune systems. The world has gone mad, and you are saying it makes sense?

Where did I say shutdown?  That's BS.

 

Sad you throw those with health conditions under the bus just so you can go to a bar.  So yes, the world has gone mad.

10 hours ago, rak sa_ngop said:

So where have you read that vaccinations are 100 % effective?

 

Enlighten us please.

Nobody have claimed that vaccinations are 100 % effective. But vaccinations are at least more effective than ASQ quarantine hotels.

So what is the point of getting vaccinated? If you still need to go into quarantine!

Who wants to get vaccinated with something that is unproven in many ways? The Thai govenment

doesn't believe in it's effectiveness yet.   Eventually the virus will burn itself out, vaccine or no vaccine.

In the meantime, all gov. sing the same song, vaccine is a wonder cure to keep the stock markets going

to the moon and people spending money. 

10 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

Meanwhile, six acquaintances with homes and a life here, who were either outside the country when the lock down started or had to leave for personal reasons during the summer,  have recently re-entered Thailand, done their ASQ andare now enjoying the peace and quiet.

 

Two more will be here before the end of February.

 

Yup, we're "putting the band back together" but, like Motel 6, we'll keep a light on for you.

Many of my GF her friends (Singaporeans) don't seem to be upset about quarantine and come back to Thailand for their jobs and so on. I guess those people have a bit more to spend then the average retiree and are not put off by this.

 

My parents were put off by this but that is for a holiday then it makes no sense.  

Many of the healthcare workers who received the first dose already are now coming down with Covid, because they acted like idiots and ran around for the last week as if they are immune, despite knowing that two doses are required. Ultimately, people are just incredibly ignorant and reckless, and the vaccine will only exacerbate that issue in the short term. In a few months, we will have a better idea of just how effective the vaccine really is, but it is definitely still too early to make any definitive decisions.

The only countries who are vaccinating currently rushed into it out of need. So we don’t really want them here do we. 

 

You maybe the idiot, the countries vaccinating now had a plan way before today's terrible numbers. Try not to be so full of yourself and see the facts. Like we here in Thailand have been covering up the # of deaths and the # of cases by not testing. And what??? Thais who are vaccinated do not need to quarantine? Great idea, just like the ones coning back do not need the 72 hour test to board a flight. Who do you think is spreading the virus on these arriving flights? The covid free foreigners?

11 minutes ago, koolkarl said:

Who wants to get vaccinated with something that is unproven in many ways? The Thai govenment

doesn't believe in it's effectiveness yet.   Eventually the virus will burn itself out, vaccine or no vaccine.

In the meantime, all gov. sing the same song, vaccine is a wonder cure to keep the stock markets going

to the moon and people spending money. 

I do seems they did a lot of tests and your prediction of a virus burning itself out is crazy. Nobody supports that.

 

The only thing to find out is to see if the vaccine prevents infections or not. We know it helps against the effects of the virus. Its a good bet it will help against infections but it has not been tested yet. The current vaccines have only been tested to see if they can prevent the disease or help with its symptoms. The vaccines have not been tested if they curb the spread of the virus or not.

 

So the Thai government is not doing something strange they are just waiting for this to be confirmed. Its prudent.

44 minutes ago, starky said:

Of course it will be endemic. Spanish flu is still here why would anyone think this virus will? I agree though locking people up forever is not and has not worked.

  We crawled out of the swamp through survival of the fittest. That is how we can and should move forward.  Sad but true. Its not coincidental that the young are seemingly so unaffected by it.

Lets close all hospitals , and let doctors do different jobs . Survival of the fittest as you say . Why treat somebody with a broken leg , or a heart condition , or diabetic ? You might find this a joke , but why make a difference between covid and any other illness/condition . This is how stupid it sounds . All is fine , as long as it isnt your family who is sick , your baby , your parents , knowing that they can be saved .