Foreigners who have been vaccinated still need to quarantine

[snoop1130]

Foreigners who have been vaccinated still need to quarantine

By The Nation

 

Dr Opas Karnkawinpong, director-general of the Disease Control Department

 

The Public Health Ministry issued a statement on Tuesday saying all arrivals to Thailand will have to undergo the mandatory 14-day quarantine even if they have been vaccinated.

 

Dr Opas Karnkawinpong, director-general of the Disease Control Department, said the Covid-19 vaccines are still new and their effectiveness have still not been determined. He added that it still too early to say whether an inoculated person can be considered safe enough to travel.

 

Hence, he said, before there are clear answers on the vaccine, it will still be necessary for people arriving from overseas to observe quarantine measures.

 

Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30400433

 

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[ukrules]

They're idiots, vaccination is the only way out of this mess and as such it's their ultimate goal yet it's obviously not good enough for them.

 

I suspect they will also be quarantining recovered patients as well, those who are immune to it?

Edited December 29, 2020 by ukrules

[djayz]

Well obviously! Who else is going to pay for all these empty hotel rooms? 

[Natai Beach]

15 minutes ago, ukrules said:

They're idiots, vaccination is the only way out of this mess and as such it's their ultimate goal yet it's obviously not good enough for them.

 

I suspect they will also be quarantining recovered patients as well, those who are immune to it?

 

When it is proven I am sure they will reverse this decision. Pretty sure they are not idiots. 
 

The UK has started vaccinations, but also just had their worst week for infections which will probably lead to the worst month for deaths in January and February and have a new mutant highly infectious strain that is now making itself around the world because of people traveling. 

The only countries who are vaccinating currently rushed into it out of need. So we don’t really want them here do we. 
 

If they don’t want to abide by Thailand’s rules, then bad luck, stay home. Look what happened at the Swiss ski resort.
 

I applaud this sensible decision. 
 

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/uk-covid-case-update-looming-disaster-as-hospitals-overflow/news-story/f37b646c4878a687d8114af513a7cb3c

 

Edited December 29, 2020 by Natai Beach

[Oldie]

14 minutes ago, ukrules said:

They're idiots, vaccination is the only way out of this mess and as such it's their ultimate goal yet it's obviously not good enough for them.

 

I suspect they will also be quarantining recovered patients as well, those who are immune to it?

There were enough cases already where recovered people got sick again. Also up to now it is not clear for how long the vaccination will help. Some say up to 9 months. But this is only guesswork. 

[asiasurfer]

As long as Thailand has ASQ, very few foreigners will come. By the way, what about Thais traveling to Russia or Europe to get their vaccine jab?? Do they need to quarantine upon return as well? 

 

I'm waiting for this trend to happen anyway: Wealthy Thais traveling abroad to get their Covid vaccine at their own cost. Because this government is not capable of getting the vaccinations going in Thailand, for a variety of reasons.

 

Also, wouldn't it be sad if travellers couldn't be ripped off any more in one of those overpriced, low quality ASQ's?? 

 

Good riddance TAT! 

[cyril sneer]

 

9 minutes ago, asiasurfer said:

By the way, what about Thais traveling to Russia or Europe to get their vaccine jab?? Do they need to quarantine upon return as well? 

I would say almost certainly not, or they'll be offered some free 3-day quarantine etc.

[ezflip]

On the bright side; if you are vaccinated and are forced to quarantine in their so-called "safe" ASQ, you won't be infected by the virus. Only your wallet and your dignity will be infected.

[Shuya]

They wont open the border before every person in Thailand got the shot. Twice. As they didn't order it on time, that might be between mid 2022 or never. 

[ftpjtm]

27 minutes ago, ezflip said:

On the bright side; if you are vaccinated and are forced to quarantine in their so-called "safe" ASQ, you won't be infected by the virus. Only your wallet and your dignity will be infected.

True, no chance of you getting infected by the Thais working at ASQ without the benefit of a vaccine. 

[2 is 1]

55 minutes ago, asiasurfer said:

As long as Thailand has ASQ, very few foreigners will come. By the way, what about Thais traveling to Russia or Europe to get their vaccine jab?? Do they need to quarantine upon return as well? 

 

I'm waiting for this trend to happen anyway: Wealthy Thais traveling abroad to get their Covid vaccine at their own cost. Because this government is not capable of getting the vaccinations going in Thailand, for a variety of reasons.

 

Also, wouldn't it be sad if travellers couldn't be ripped off any more in one of those overpriced, low quality ASQ's?? 

 

Good riddance TAT! 

Thailand wait AstraZeneca vaccine get approval, coz Thailand can make that them self and it is cheap!

Yes that is fact that no tourist come there if need to go ASQ. Even im not coming back if have that sht! And i have 1 house and 1 apartment there + wife lol.

Edited December 29, 2020 by 2 is 1

[dinsdale]

58 minutes ago, Natai Beach said:

 

When it is proven I am sure they will reverse this decision. Pretty sure they are not idiots. 
 

The UK has started vaccinations, but also just had their worst week for infections which will probably lead to the worst month for deaths in January and February and have a new mutant highly infectious strain that is now making itself around the world because of people traveling. 

The only countries who are vaccinating currently rushed into it out of need. So we don’t really want them here do we. 
 

If they don’t want to abide by Thailand’s rules, then bad luck, stay home. Look what happened at the Swiss ski resort.
 

I applaud this sensible decision. 
 

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/uk-covid-case-update-looming-disaster-as-hospitals-overflow/news-story/f37b646c4878a687d8114af513a7cb3c

 

It's money. Borders should be locked tight as they should have been from the beginning. If they were worried about the population there would be mass testing not buying subs and bragging about going to the moon. If they were sensible the borders would have closed when Taiwan closed their borders and not listened to their Chinese mates who started the whole thing. Sensible? Bloke who died in Rayong appears to have been sent home and not isolated. Idiots? Matter of opinion.

Edited December 29, 2020 by dinsdale

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, ukrules said:

They're idiots, vaccination is the only way out of this mess and as such it's their ultimate goal yet it's obviously not good enough for them.

 

I suspect they will also be quarantining recovered patients as well, those who are immune to it?

 

Sorry but the idiots are those who believe this stop-gap immunization also prevents people spreading it. The vaccine is to save lives, not allow people to go straight from Suvarnabhumi to the pub.

 

Also, the jury is still out on post-infection immunity.

Edited December 29, 2020 by NanLaew

[NanLaew]

9 minutes ago, 2 is 1 said:

Thailand wait AstraZeneca vaccine get approval, coz Thailand can make that them self and it is cheap!

Yes that is fact that no tourist come here if need to go ASQ. Even im not coming back if have that sht! And i have 1 house and 1 apartment there + wife lol.

 

Meanwhile, six acquaintances with homes and a life here, who were either outside the country when the lock down started or had to leave for personal reasons during the summer,  have recently re-entered Thailand, done their ASQ andare now enjoying the peace and quiet.

 

Two more will be here before the end of February.

 

Yup, we're "putting the band back together" but, like Motel 6, we'll keep a light on for you.

[rak sa_ngop]

1 hour ago, ukrules said:

They're idiots, vaccination is the only way out of this mess and as such it's their ultimate goal yet it's obviously not good enough for them.

So where have you read that vaccinations are 100 % effective?

 

Enlighten us please.

[ourmanflint]

What a bunch of absolute muppets! I give up trying to understand their nonsense day in day out

[Eibot]

1 hour ago, ukrules said:

They're idiots, vaccination is the only way out of this mess and as such it's their ultimate goal yet it's obviously not good enough for them.

 

I suspect they will also be quarantining recovered patients as well, those who are immune to it?

I find it very reasonable. There is no evidence (as of yet) that vaccinated people cannot spread the virus to other (unvaccinated) people.. Until that proof is shown, it would be wise to keep the quarantine in place. Hence Thailand needs to get moving to get vaccination going here to get some sort of herd immunity. Once this has established (or partly) the quarantine can be lifted. 

[ourmanflint]

1 hour ago, Oldie said:

There were enough cases already where recovered people got sick again. Also up to now it is not clear for how long the vaccination will help. Some say up to 9 months. But this is only guesswork. 

This is really not true, there are a handful of cases where people supposedly got ill twice, it probably meant they did not have enough of an immune response from 1st round, but as I said, exceedingly rare

[ukrules]

5 minutes ago, rak sa_ngop said:

So where have you read that vaccinations are 100 % effective?

 

Enlighten us please.

They don't need to be 100% effective, you're missing a big point here.

 

The vaccine is all there's going to be, it gets no better than that until there's a mutation which makes COVID itself harmless.

 

Nothing's 100% and never will be, that includes the quarantine.

 

If they wait for 100% then this will never end, they're not going to do that.

[Anton9]

1 minute ago, ukrules said:

They don't need to be 100% effective, you're missing a big point here.

 

The vaccine is all there's going to be, it gets no better than that until there's a mutation which makes COVID itself harmless.

 

Nothing's 100% and never will be, that includes the quarantine.

 

If they wait for 100% then this will never end, they're not going to do that.

The problem is nowadays people want someone telling them they are 100% safe and they are immune to death.

[RR2020]

The vaccinations are not 100%

 

If they are 90% or 95%......that means potentially 10 people in 100 or 5 people in 100 are coming in with Covid.

 

And that will spread to all Thais as Thailand has no herd immunity and is very susceptible.

 

So of course 14 days quarantine must remain.

 

 

Until Thai's are vaccinated (due to commence May or June 2021) and all the at risk are done (by say October 2021) then ASQ and quarantine must remain for all people entering Thailand.

[Anton9]

1 minute ago, RR2020 said:

The vaccinations are not 100%

 

If they are 90% or 95%......that means potentially 10 people in 100 or 5 people in 100 are coming in with Covid.

 

And that will spread to all Thais as Thailand has no herd immunity and is very susceptible.

 

So of course 14 days quarantine must remain.

 

 

Until Thai's are vaccinated (due to commence May or June 2021) and all the at risk are done (by say October 2021) then ASQ and quarantine must remain for all people entering Thailand.

No problem, soon they will realize Covid is already spreading everywhere in Thailand and they will welcome tourist with the risk of someone being infected.

[jackdd]

8 minutes ago, ukrules said:

They don't need to be 100% effective, you're missing a big point here.

 

The vaccine is all there's going to be, it gets no better than that until there's a mutation which makes COVID itself harmless.

 

Nothing's 100% and never will be, that includes the quarantine.

 

If they wait for 100% then this will never end, they're not going to do that.

Afaik Thailand wants to wait until the majority of Thais is vaccinated, because then it's no big deal if somebody carries Covid into Thailand, it can't cause a pandemic.

Nobody knows yet if a vaccinated person can still carry the disease, but there is a chance that they can. So it doesn't matter if you are vaccinated or not, you could carry Covid into Thailand in either case, thus you will have to go into quarantine.

Edited December 29, 2020 by jackdd

[Anton9]

Just now, jackdd said:

Afaik Thailand wants to wait until the majority of Thais is vaccinated, because then it's no big deal if somebody carries Covid into Thailand, it can't cause a pandemic.

Nobody knows yet if a vaccinated person can still carry the disease, but there is a chance that they can. So regarding the chance to bring Covid into Thailand it doesn't matter if you are vaccinated or not, thus you will have to go into quarantine, vaccinated or not.

We will see when soon most of other tourist destination will accept people without quarantine(some already do)

[djayz]

1 hour ago, asiasurfer said:

what about Thais traveling to Russia or Europe to get their vaccine jab?? Do they need to quarantine upon return as well? 

 

I'm waiting for this trend to happen anyway: Wealthy Thais traveling abroad to get their Covid vaccine at their own cost.

You don't honestly believe that those who can afford to fly to Farangistan for a jab would ever be inconvenienced by having to hole up in ASQ upon return, do you? Don't you know who I am?

[NanLaew]

7 minutes ago, Anton9 said:

We will see when soon most of other tourist destination will accept people without quarantine(some already do)

Not in Europe they don't. Even Sweden is passing a law to allow lock downs. This legal oversight was the excuse for their health ministry to go it alone with their dangerous policy of few social restrictions and flawed herd immunity misadventure.

Edited December 29, 2020 by NanLaew

[Anton9]

3 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Not in Europe they don't. Even Sweden is passing a law to allow lock downs. This legal oversight was the excuse for their health ministry to go it alone with their dangerous policy of few social restrictions and flawed herd immunity misadventure.

Wow,a law to allow lockdowns.

Seems like we are going back to stoneage

[ftpjtm]

1 hour ago, snoop1130 said:

Dr Opas Karnkawinpong, director-general of the Disease Control Department, said the Covid-19 vaccines are still new and their effectiveness have still not been determined.

 

Interesting position. Also that the Thai FDA has not yet approved any vaccine for use in Thailand. This could be because;

 

- Thai virologists are working tirelessly to peer review the work of their colleagues in Europe, USA and other western countries, or;

- To save face as Thais watch vaccinations begin elsewhere, while their own government failed to procure any for Thais, or;

- To protect the financial interests of Siam Bioscience who will begin manufacturing the AstraZeneca vaccine in Q3 2021, and happens to have nepotistic connections with certain Thai powerbrokers.

 

Or maybe a combination of several of the above. 

 

But in the meantime, for whatever reason, Thai Healthcare workers and ASQ workers are being subjected to a second wave of COVID infections without the benefit of vaccination. 

[Anton9]

10 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Not in Europe they don't. Even Sweden is passing a law to allow lock downs. This legal oversight was the excuse for their health ministry to go it alone with their dangerous policy of few social restrictions and flawed herd immunity misadventure.

And BTW in Europe I am 100% sure this summer everybody will enjoy holidays and all countries will be open to foreign tourism

[beano2274]

was it not recently stated in America that 1.5 million people had been vaccinated and that 0,00037% had problems after it.

 

Still see no vaccination being allowed by the Thai Government,, and have heard they are asking people to pay for it!!!!

 

And the comment from the person about the UK vaccinating people and still more people being infected, very true but the first phase is those people of a certain age over 75 if memory serves me right and those who work with in hospitals or old peoples homes, same as many European countries. Also this so called English variant, well the UK is an Island, I cannot believe that it started in the UK, it was imported by someone to the UK whilst either travelling to the UK or through the UK.