21 minutes ago, Bender Rodriguez said:

so why even GAMBLE with your health taking something not tested for the long run

 

vaccine that change your dna to make proteins to a virus that does not make you sick right now

 

mhhhhh, I'll pass

 

let's wait for serious side effects when not healthy test persons took it, but people with chronic diseases 

Why gamble with your health and not get the jab?  The jab doesn't change your DNA.  And the virus does make you sick.  Or  dead.  Plus, it helps others as we try to get herd immunity against this virus.

 

People with chronic diseases are getting the jab.  They are some of the first to get it.

 

Where do you get your news from?

13 hours ago, ezflip said:

Only your wallet and your dignity will be infected.

Sounds like my last massage that took a strange turn.... ????

45 minutes ago, sandyf said:

I wasn't aware that people got certificates saying they have had covid and are now immune.

 

The idiots are those that believe you can't get it again or that those that have had the vaccine are incapable of spreading it.

 

Unlikely policy will change much before the majority of the Thai population has been vaccinated.

In Norway for intstance we do not get a certificate, but if you can prove that you have had covid and show a negativ test not older than 6 months when you enter the border (as a Norwegian citizen back from a red zone abroad) you do not need to be quarantined as you are not considered as contagious - so yes, in this matter a kind of a certificate ... 

14 hours ago, ukrules said:

They're idiots, vaccination is the only way out of this mess and as such it's their ultimate goal yet it's obviously not good enough for them.

 

I suspect they will also be quarantining recovered patients as well, those who are immune to it?

So you're a specialist on the subject of vaccines! Especially those that haven't been tried and tested for a long period of time!!!

14 hours ago, ukrules said:

They're idiots, vaccination is the only way out of this mess and as such it's their ultimate goal yet it's obviously not good enough for them.

 

I suspect they will also be quarantining recovered patients as well, those who are immune to it?

Totally agree. What do they actually think prevention is. Certainly not the idiotic ideas that I have seen over the last few months. Everything seems to lead back to quarantine being the answer although there has been a number of cases happened to people that have been in quarantine. Even with Covid spiking seriously in their own country they still think it is not happening its coming from outside. Hello waken up, your country is going down the pan quickly and all you can think about is spending money on railways, submarines etc WHAT ABOUT YOUR OWN PEOPLE !! ????????

Can't see Tourist coming untll the Quarantine measures are lifted

If Tourists are willing to get the vaccine  and spend 15 days in Quarantine 

Plus everything else associated flights ect 

Then some of us us on here must be missing something 

Which is possible ????

 

13 hours ago, Shuya said:

They wont open the border before every person in Thailand got the shot. Twice. As they didn't order it on time, that might be between mid 2022 or never. 

Probably never as they have only ordered enough for the important 20% of the population.

Vaccination needs 2 shots with a period of 3 weeks in between .... , and after the last shot a few weeks to build up immunity {temporary...?) .... so count the complete time frame you could be safe for yourself ( at least 5 weeks + in total ....., and it is not (yet) proven if after  vaccinate you can still pass a contamination to others... yes /no ?.....

the vaccination is not a virus killer in direct contact ...

Edited December 30, 20205 yr by david555

2 hours ago, Catoni said:

Quarantines and lockdowns will never end. We will never return to the way things used to be. Never going back to normal. Not according to Klaus Schwab, the U.N., the International Monetary Fund and others. Pay attention to the upcoming Davos Conference.  Covid-19 and Global Warming/Climate Change.....walking hand in hand for a big agenda. 
    Get used to your face muzzle. 

What a ridiculous statement. Never heard such a thing. We have an extremely suitable vaccination. I will guarantee (so does the financial market and the medical world) that everything will be more or less normal by the end of summer 2021. It's just a matter of having the infrastructure vaccination in place.

 

Don't spread nonsense.

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

the virus is new, the jabs are new.  Science doesn't fully understand either right now.  But doing a great job in helping us get through this pandemic.

 

Here's a great podcast to listen to with Faucci explaining what's going on fairly well.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/audio/podcasts/state-of-the-union-with-jake-tapper?episodeguid=d5908b8f-b8d8-496b-bd5f-ac9e010da462

 

 

I am not from the US but  I incidentally read some news regarding "Faucci" caught redhanded manipulating numbers in order to promote the vaccination campaign. There are so many different opinions (not talking about the conspiracy theory) by our so-called or legitimate experts that it is difficult to make up one's mind ( especially if one has a memory of what happened since this all started)

Some of these ASQs could teach a few Cheap Charlies a thing or two from a couple of reports I have had.

Although i certainly respect those here who defend the government's decisions for their own sovereign right on who can and cannot enter LOS. But.....for those here who are defending the LOGIC of not trusting the efficiacy of the vaccines i must disagree strongly ! Some of these commenters are saying that it has not been proven yet blah blah blah are just flat out wrong ! The most credible of the vaccines have had serious and medically proven stage 1, 2 and 3 trials. These ARE the proof ! Maybe officially, Thailand has not approved them yet but UK and other countries have and there is no reason to expect that LOS will reject them (imagine the backlash that would result!). So stop saying that this is the safe thing to do. Its like we say in the aviation industry: "the safest way to prevent accidents is to not fly at all". But this is not reasonable ! Ok - as Forrest Gump famously said "...and that's all i got to say bout that" !! ????

What about vaccinated Thais? 
If they can be that picky with foreigners, the country is not doing bad enough yet.

2 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Where did I say shutdown?  That's BS.

 

Sad you throw those with health conditions under the bus just so you can go to a bar.  So yes, the world has gone mad.

I dont go to bars, and I dont drink so do not make assumptions about me. With regards to those with health problems why cant they protect themselves? When did it become society's responsability? So we cant go on holidays to other countries with our families, we cant invite our famalies over to visit? The world is pretty much shutdown, no one can go anywhere without forking out for expensive flights, quarantine etc.

 

So the point is none of this makes sense, you clearly wrote 'makes sense'. 

Looking ahead the worldwide reaction to the covid virus will more than likely set the tone for all future viral outbreaks affecting the planet.  

Barring a remarkable leap forward in medical technology the steps to mitigate/bypass a selection process that has been around since life began will be the same.

Not to mention the human penchant for shenanigans when telling the truth of the when, what and why.

In all fairness, this so called vaccine for Covid was majorly rushed & so far there is no evidence to show that it's actually effective, or even safe for that matter!
But the question is, are the Thai government actually concerned about this, or are they just using this as a excuse to extort more money from foreigners?
Also, does this rule apply to Thai people that have traveled abroad to get a shot of this vaccine? 
Only time will tell i guess.... 
 

Well good luck with restarting tourism in Thailand as i cant see many people payng for quarantie then have a holiday after that.

 

 

14 hours ago, Natai Beach said:

 

When it is proven I am sure they will reverse this decision. Pretty sure they are not idiots. 
 

The UK has started vaccinations, but also just had their worst week for infections which will probably lead to the worst month for deaths in January and February and have a new mutant highly infectious strain that is now making itself around the world because of people traveling. 

The only countries who are vaccinating currently rushed into it out of need. So we don’t really want them here do we. 
 

If they don’t want to abide by Thailand’s rules, then bad luck, stay home. Look what happened at the Swiss ski resort.
 

I applaud this sensible decision. 
 

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/uk-covid-case-update-looming-disaster-as-hospitals-overflow/news-story/f37b646c4878a687d8114af513a7cb3c

 

The Australian authaurities have announced the same as Thailand re quarantine.

It totally sounds like scam to me.

24 minutes ago, alyx said:

I am not from the US but  I incidentally read some news regarding "Faucci" caught redhanded manipulating numbers in order to promote the vaccination campaign. There are so many different opinions (not talking about the conspiracy theory) by our so-called or legitimate experts that it is difficult to make up one's mind ( especially if one has a memory of what happened since this all started)

That's fake news.  Don't fall for it. He's a fantastic health care professional and one of the smartest in the world with regard to this. 

 

The virus is new.  Science was trying to figure out what it was.  Mistakes were made, changes ordered.  Doesn't mean they don't know what they are doing.  Don't fall for the misinformation on the fringe media sites.

16 minutes ago, jossthaifarang said:

I dont go to bars, and I dont drink so do not make assumptions about me. With regards to those with health problems why cant they protect themselves? When did it become society's responsability? So we cant go on holidays to other countries with our families, we cant invite our famalies over to visit? The world is pretty much shutdown, no one can go anywhere without forking out for expensive flights, quarantine etc.

 

So the point is none of this makes sense, you clearly wrote 'makes sense'. 

Ummm...if you were born with an immune system problem, how are they suppose to protect themselves?  Best way is to others to have a heart and help these people out.  Not really that big of a deal to do.

 

If we all masked up and social distanced, most of the cases would not have happened.  Sadly, some ignore science.  And thus, a global pandemic.

11 minutes ago, Kaopad999 said:

In all fairness, this so called vaccine for Covid was majorly rushed & so far there is no evidence to show that it's actually effective, or even safe for that matter!
But the question is, are the Thai government actually concerned about this, or are they just using this as a excuse to extort more money from foreigners?
Also, does this rule apply to Thai people that have traveled abroad to get a shot of this vaccine? 
Only time will tell i guess.... 
 

Studies with thousands of participants have proven the effectiveness of this jab.  Proof positive it works.  And more are coming out, and the ones out will change over time as the science gets better.

1 hour ago, johnarth said:

theThai. government has done many wrong things concerning this virus, but I agree with this one, just because you have  jab does not say poof it is gone and all is well, it is possible you could still be breathing out the virus and what of a change of cloths, and old cloths burned, plus all new vaccines since the first one ever, has had floors and have had to be stopped or altered, I for one of millions am not ready for a rushed vaccine lets see how things are in6 months after all this time that is not long to see the outcome

Very good point.Vaccines in the past took 18 months to 2 years to develop but these have been rushed out because of the "covid panic". Who knows how good they will turn out to be in the log run  so you cant blame them for being cautious can you ?? It wont worry Big Pharma they will still make big $$$$.

15 hours ago, Natai Beach said:

 

When it is proven I am sure they will reverse this decision. Pretty sure they are not idiots. 
 

The UK has started vaccinations, but also just had their worst week for infections which will probably lead to the worst month for deaths in January and February and have a new mutant highly infectious strain that is now making itself around the world because of people traveling. 

The only countries who are vaccinating currently rushed into it out of need. So we don’t really want them here do we. 
 

If they don’t want to abide by Thailand’s rules, then bad luck, stay home. Look what happened at the Swiss ski resort.
 

I applaud this sensible decision. 
 

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/uk-covid-case-update-looming-disaster-as-hospitals-overflow/news-story/f37b646c4878a687d8114af513a7cb3c

 

They are idiots and both vaccines have been proven effective 94.5 and 95% for the 2 currently available 

2 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Studies with thousands of participants have proven the effectiveness of this jab.  Proof positive it works.  And more are coming out, and the ones out will change over time as the science gets better.

Effectiveness to what degree though?
Just a few thousand studies over such a short period of time does not paint the whole picture
Also,, there is no proof that the vaccine protects against the second variant of the the Virus.. 
 

2 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Ummm...if you were born with an immune system problem, how are they suppose to protect themselves?  Best way is to others to have a heart and help these people out.  Not really that big of a deal to do.

 

If we all masked up and social distanced, most of the cases would not have happened.  Sadly, some ignore science.  And thus, a global pandemic.

Wearing a mask and social distancing is one thing, but quarantine and vaccines that have hardly been tested enough are another thing. My view is the same, those with health issues can take care of themselves, they can stay home, they can wear masks, they can social distance.

 

If it was me that's what I would do, I would not ask the entire world population to change the eway they do everything.

 

You want to talk about science? Do you know how the immune system works? It needs a virus, it needs germs to build up an immunity, that's how vaccines work. Social distancing, wearing masks, whiping your hands with alcohol 600 times a day does nothing but wealken your immune system. 

5 minutes ago, 5633572526 said:

They are idiots and both vaccines have been proven effective 94.5 and 95% for the 2 currently available 

Does is protect against the new variant? 
 

7 minutes ago, wavodavo said:

Very good point.Vaccines in the past took 18 months to 2 years to develop but these have been rushed out because of the "covid panic". Who knows how good they will turn out to be in the log run  so you cant blame them for being cautious can you ?? It wont worry Big Pharma they will still make big $$$$.

You can thank Bill Gates for this.  Who donated $1 billion to help create a vaccine that was a base for future viruses.  This mRNA stuff is high tech.  Really amazing how they did it.

4 minutes ago, Kaopad999 said:

Effectiveness to what degree though?
Just a few thousand studies over such a short period of time does not paint the whole picture
Also,, there is no proof that the vaccine protects against the second variant of the the Virus.. 
 

Use Google.  The studies are all online.  And yes, so far, they've been proven to protect against this mutation. 

 

By the way, there are already thousands of mutations.  And the jab covers them all.

4 minutes ago, jossthaifarang said:

Wearing a mask and social distancing is one thing, but quarantine and vaccines that have hardly been tested enough are another thing. My view is the same, those with health issues can take care of themselves, they can stay home, they can wear masks, they can social distance.

 

If it was me that's what I would do, I would not ask the entire world population to change the eway they do everything.

 

You want to talk about science? Do you know how the immune system works? It needs a virus, it needs germs to build up an immunity, that's how vaccines work. Social distancing, wearing masks, whiping your hands with alcohol 600 times a day does nothing but wealken your immune system. 

Until everybody follows the guidelines, this virus will never go away.  Sadly.

 

I'm no expert on jabs, but who in their right mind would wipe their hands with alcohol 600 times a day?