Bitcoin or Gold?

[GrandPapillon]

2 minutes ago, ctxa said:

Every second you make it more apparent, your lack of knowledge I mean. Whatever floats your bot Mr.NSA ???????????????? 

 

 

so far you demonstrated that you own some crappyware website on a Russian dodgy server, and you can't even hack some dumb<deleted> ADSL router that a junior hacker could do in a matter of minutes ????

 

yep, another BLC/crypto anarchist fraud,

 

you definitely smell like one ????

[GrandPapillon]

and where is your Github page, fraud? ????

[ctxa]

1 minute ago, GrandPapillon said:

and where is your Github page, fraud? ????

Don’t tell me you can’t find it Mr.NSA. It’s as easy as a Google search. Is that too hard for you? Wow ????????????????

[GrandPapillon]

I think we got it that you were running a little crapware website, not sure that makes you god of the hackers though LOL ????

 

above all when you can't hack some dumb ADSL router LOL ????

[GrandPapillon]

1 minute ago, ctxa said:

Don’t tell me you can’t find it Mr.NSA. It’s as easy as a Google search. Is that too hard for you? Wow ????????????????

found your suspended twitter ????

 

I wonder why you got suspended? for being a dodgy little fraud? ????

[GrandPapillon]

out of curiosity, please list the advantages you personally think that BLC has that no other technology could match ????

 

that should be fun LOL ????

[ctxa]

5 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

out of curiosity, please list the advantages you personally think that BLC has that no other technology could match ????

 

that should be fun LOL ????

trust, mate, trust. It’s trust. The point of BLC. 
 

You’re so nagging and annoying. What you call little crapware websites feeds thousands of people’s kids around the globe in the year of Corona. You on the other hand do nothing and help nobody, just laying in the sofa watching Mr.Robot. 
 

Go google about “X-Activator” and you will see how many people use it to feed their kids. And again let’s not talk about Installer 5, Checkra1n, and the bug bounty from Apple…. I was just doing some reverse engineering on iOS 14.5 beta, trying to find some new methods to hook in order to do some magicky magic but you just screwed it all up. Now I am tired, going to sleep. Hope you won’t keep nagging ????????

[GrandPapillon]

9 minutes ago, ctxa said:

trust, mate, trust. It’s trust. The point of BLC. 
 

You’re so nagging and annoying. What you call little crapware websites feeds thousands of people’s kids around the globe in the year of Corona. You on the other hand do nothing and help nobody, just laying in the sofa watching Mr.Robot. 
 

Go google about X-Activator and you will see how many people use it to feed their kids. And again let’s not talk about Installer 5, Checkra1n, and the bug bounty from Apple. I was just doing some reverse engineering on iOS 14.5 beta, trying to find some methods to hook in order to do some magicky magic but you just screwed it all up. Now I am tired, going to sleep. Hope you won’t keep nagging ????????

ok stop crying like a baby, I don't care about your crapware, we are discussing BLC here ????

 

ok trust, right. What makes you think the technology found a way for trust. By doing billions of calculations to verify the integrity of the character chains? that's not trust, that's calculating validity and integrity. And there are other simpler and faster ways to calculate the integrity of the data. Those billions of calculations is the insecure answer of insecure individuals with Asperger or Autism who have a personal relationship problem with trust.

 

Verifying a billions times that your door is locked, is not really being efficient, useful or even trustful in the process. Trust is not doing the same things billions of time like in a tourette syndrome. That's actually being insecured and paranoiac. Which is the exact opposite of trust.

 

BLC and Bitcoin is the paranoiac answer of a certain group people in society.

[fdsa]

1 hour ago, ctxa said:

(PS: Yes I know that blockchain is susceptible to certain attacks such as the 51% attack, which in theory would allow that person to fake things as he wanted in the blockchain. But in real life, those attacks are non-viable as nobody can possibly gather that much computational power as to control 50%+ of a big enough blockchain network).

What does stop the major Chinese mining pools owning more than 70% of Bitcoin hashrate to run a 51% attack on Bitcoin?

 

1 hour ago, ctxa said:

you ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT hack anybody with just their IP

your knowledge is lacking, preserve on your quest.

 

[ctxa]

5 minutes ago, fdsa said:

What does stop the major Chinese mining pools owning more than 70% of Bitcoin hashrate to run a 51% attack on Bitcoin?

 

your knowledge is lacking, preserve on your quest.

 

What you’re showing there is a Microsoft RDP vulnerability. A properly configured firewall can prevent it, and has nothing to do with hacking through IP. 
 

It’s the same as saying, I put a bind tcp backdoor in your computer. Sure I use your IP to connect to it, but because the backdoor is there. With the IP itself I can’t do anything ????

 

in the case of EternalBlue, there was a backdoor, crappy MS RDP 

[ctxa]

7 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

ok stop crying like a baby, I don't care about your crapware, we are discussing BLC here ????

 

ok trust, right. What makes you think the technology found a way for trust. By doing billions of calculations to verify the integrity of the character chains? that's not trust, that's calculating validity and integrity. And there are other simpler and faster ways to calculate the integrity of the data. Those billions of calculations is the insecure answer of insecure individuals with Asperger or Autism who have a personal relationship problem with trust.

 

Verifying a billions times that your door is locked, is not really being efficient or even useful. Trust is not doing the same things billions of time like in a tourette syndrome. That's actually being insecured.

 

Ok. There are other simpler and faster ways to calculate the integrity of the data. Yes. And who is gonna verify it? A central figure, who can be corrupted, who can be biased. And above all, who may very well take a fee for providing those services (take eBay, Amazon, PayPal as an example) . 
 

The blockchain requires no central figure in order to get that trust. I know there are alternatives like DAG (IOTA), etc etc… 

 

But the point is? Did either of them exist before Blockchain? Nope, Blockchain was the first, and all those come from the idea of BLC. Same dog with a different lace. My point still stands. Maybe why you didn’t understand or I didn’t make clear enough is that when I talk about Blockchain I am talking about a Decentralized Trust solution, it doesn’t necessarily have to be the Bitcoin Blockchain. 

[fdsa]

4 minutes ago, ctxa said:

. A properly configured firewall can prevent it, and has nothing to do with hacking through IP. 

tell that to ransomware victims that were hacked through IP with these vulnerabilities. Also google for "NAT slipstreaming" if you still believe in almighty firewalls.

 

1 hour ago, ctxa said:

you ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT hack anybody with just their IP.

- no, you can.

[ctxa]

13 minutes ago, fdsa said:

tell that to ransomware victims that were hacked through IP with these vulnerabilities. Also google for "NAT slipstreaming" if you still believe in almighty firewalls.

 

- no, you can.

NAT Slipstreaming AFAIK requires of social engineering. (Somebody at the other side of the network has to open a connection to a remote server in order to open a port through which the attacker can access). So it’s not just I grab an IP and I hack it.
 

Point still stands, in theory there is absolutely nothing to hack in an IP. If you find an IP in which somebody left a backdoor,  or it has an open port to certain unsecured service. Then sure, but you’re not hacking through the IP. You’re hacking through a backdoor or through an unsecured service ???????????? 

 

in the case of EternalBlue IPs weren’t to blame, RDP was.

[fdsa]

OK, let me rephrase your wording to make it look less silly.

 

2 hours ago, ctxa said:

Get it straight, in order to hack someone, the victim has to download and open an app into his device, or at the very least open a link which contains (malicious) javascript, or in case the attacker and victim are connected to the same LAN then there are many more choices, etc... But you ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT hack anybody with just their IP. Get it right, so you won't put yourself on display next time.

 

-> you ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT hack anybody with just their IP if there is a firewall between you and that IP that filters absolutely everything and if there is no vulnerable software running on the computer with that IP and if there is no Microsoft Windows installed on the computer with that IP

[ctxa]

31 minutes ago, fdsa said:

OK, let me rephrase your wording to make it look less silly.

 

 

-> you ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT hack anybody with just their IP if there is a firewall between you and that IP that filters absolutely everything and if there is no vulnerable software running on the computer with that IP and if there is no Microsoft Windows installed on the computer with that IP

 

Don’t overdo it either. I could give you a list of 10,000 home IPs (not servers). And I’m sure you won’t be able to get a shell in any device behind either of them. (Just a saying, I obviously don’t have 10,000 home IPs, it’s an example)
 

The point still stands. Having someone’s IP doesn’t necessarily mean you can hack them.  Because you don’t hack an IP (you CANT), you hack through whatever insecure thing there is behind that IP. An IP is like an address, some houses in those addresses will have armed security guards at the doors, and others will have open doors through which you can easily go through. It still is not the address fault ????

 

Any website we visit logs our IPs (unless you use VPN or Proxies that is of course). And many of those websites eventually get hacked by hackers exposing all those IPs to the hacker. If it was that easy to hack through an IP alone, then we would all be hacked. A full RCE like EternalBlue is something very unfortunate and very rare too. In 99.9% of the cases, a home IP itself alone won’t be enough to hack the person behind it. Can we at least agree on this?

 

PS: That IP won’t belong to any specific computer. It will belong to a router. So that’s gonna be your first huge problem as a hacker, slipping through that NAT into the computer you wanna hack. Ufff, you better have a 0-day exploit which allows for RCE in some service which is doing udp hole punching, or there is port forwarding set up and active in that router for the device which is specifically is your target and therefore you can slip through that NAT into the device. Else let’s see how you figure it out ????

 

Lots of IFs, lots of IFs, judge yourself…

 

Funny how many hackers there are here in TVF. Unfortunately it seems to me that hacking just like many other things is easier written at a forum than done. Id love to see what you guys would manage to pull off in real life???? I am inclined to believe that it would be between nothing and nada 

[mr mr]

i just got an std reading the last few pages of this thread. can you 2 get a room before you make more of a mess. 

[ThailandRyan]

6 hours ago, Susco said:

 

How about those that bought Bitcoin at 20K end of 2017? What were they saying when it dropped to 7K last year?

 

Oh wait, they all knew it would go to 50K and just held on to it, not?

 

Let's see what people who bought today at 50K will say next year. They may be happy chappies or suicidal, only the future will tell

Any difference in buying a stock nowadays.  How about when the .Com bubble burst, nothing is a sure thing, it is all a gamble, but to call something a scam when it is truly new and upcoming technology an item is built on is a fallacy.  I guess that Gold, silver, and pig futures being speculated on, or even those that try and short the system or stock are scammers.....hmmmm

[fdsa]

6 hours ago, ctxa said:

I could give you a list of 10,000 home IPs (not servers). And I’m sure you won’t be able to get a shell in any device behind either of them.

If I had private exploits like this one https://www.cert.govt.nz/it-specialists/advisories/critical-vulnerabilities-in-microsoft-windows-tcpip-stack/  -  I would.

 

6 hours ago, ctxa said:

The point still stands. Having someone’s IP doesn’t necessarily mean you can hack them.  Because you don’t hack an IP (you CANT), you hack through whatever insecure thing there is behind that IP.

like the operating system itself? See link above.

Also I've just recalled an ancient vulnerability in Windows called "Kaht-2", it worked like this: you write any IP address (assuming the computer with this IP runs Microsoft Windows), hit Enter and get remote command line on that computer. You would call that "hack an insecure thing behind that IP", but for me it's more like "hacking an IP".

 

6 hours ago, ctxa said:

That IP won’t belong to any specific computer. It will belong to a router.

there are millions of PCs directly exposed to the Internet by having a dedicated IP address without any NATs or routers. Also many people incorrectly set up routers DMZ or portforwarding allowing all traffic to pass through it to the connected PC.

 

 

6 hours ago, ctxa said:

In 99.9% of the cases, a home IP itself alone won’t be enough to hack the person behind it. Can we at least agree on this?

Yes, unfortunate and very rare, with many IFs and such, but still you could not say that it is "ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT" because of links in my above posts.

 

[GrandPapillon]

11 hours ago, ctxa said:

 

Ok. There are other simpler and faster ways to calculate the integrity of the data. Yes. And who is gonna verify it? A central figure, who can be corrupted, who can be biased. And above all, who may very well take a fee for providing those services (take eBay, Amazon, PayPal as an example) . 
 

The blockchain requires no central figure in order to get that trust. I know there are alternatives like DAG (IOTA), etc etc… 

 

But the point is? Did either of them exist before Blockchain? Nope, Blockchain was the first, and all those come from the idea of BLC. Same dog with a different lace. My point still stands. Maybe why you didn’t understand or I didn’t make clear enough is that when I talk about Blockchain I am talking about a Decentralized Trust solution, it doesn’t necessarily have to be the Bitcoin Blockchain. 

but trust can't be built using calculation, that's my point. That's actually mistrust. I am guessing your are in your 20s or 30s, so some kind of GenY, who have serious mistrust with society, and understandingly so. Bitcoins and BLC is actually built on mistrust, because you can't trust anybody, anything, you need an exponential calculation to "secure" your insecurity. It's simply not workable in the long run in terms of energy use and GPU/CPU utilization.

 

Trust is always a leap of faith. If you think calculations is going to "replace" trust, by overdoing "tourette" calculations, then you have to start to question the insanity of the method and the purpose the project. And speaking of independence, you got it wrong too. You are simply displacing the roadblock to "independence" with the overzealous calculations. Where is the independence and the corruption free environment when you have to rely on third party exchanges to trade your coins? right, like nobody got robbed with that little scam despite all the calculations ????

[ctxa]

1 hour ago, GrandPapillon said:

but trust can't be built using calculation, that's my point. That's actually mistrust. I am guessing your are in your 20s or 30s, so some kind of GenY, who have serious mistrust with society, and understandingly so. But bitcoins and BLC is actually built on mistrust, because you can't trust anybody, anything, you need an exponential calculation to "secure" your insecurity. It's simply not workable in the long run in terms of energy use and GPU/CPU utilization.

 

Trust is always a leap of faith. If you think calculations is going to "replace" trust, by overdoing "tourette" calculations, then you have to start to question the insanity of the method and the purpose the project. And speaking of independence, you got it wrong too. You are simply displacing the roadblock to "independence" with the overzealous calculations. Where is the independence and the corruption free environment when you have to rely on third party exchanges to trade your coins? right, like nobody got robbed with that little scam despite all the calculations ????

 

Exchanges are not a part of the Blockchain. And the blockchain can not guarantee which exchange is a scam or not. It's not even the point for which the Blockchain was developed, a exchange serves the purpose of trading the tokens of a Blockchain, BLC can only guarantee that the tokens are real and not fake, but it can not guarantee that those who run the exchange are not scammer. So we can say that BLC can only guarantee the integrity of data, and it does it very well. USD, you can print fake USD and flood the market with them, Germans did it during WW2, and I heard that North Koreans were doing it recently too. Can you put "fake Bitcoins" (tokens) into the Bitcoin blockchain. Nope. Again, I know about the 51% attack and all of that, but nobody has that much computational power. 

 

Your only argument against it is energy use, sure the Bitcoin Blockchain currently uses more energy annually than the entire country of Argentina. And it has a carbon footprint close to that of New Zealand. Do you know the carbon footprint of eBay without counting delivery? Just by counting the services which they provide in order to ensure trust between seller and buyer (offices, servers, logistics centers,....). Let me show you with an attached image from eBays website. 

 

Building trust is costly, not only on the blockchain. With every and any other centralized solution. If building trust was as easy as you claim, blockchain wouldn't even exist, and society wouldn't have the many trust issues which we have and that you yourself mention. 

 

You talk about me being in my 20s or 30s, so I assume you must be in your 50s, or 60s. Yet you still believe the fantasies and perfect emision free world utopia of a teenager, Greta Thornberg.

 

I am still waiting for you, to tell me about a decentralized way of building trust which is infinitely better than the Blockchain, maybe we can unveil the future here in TVF ????

 

PS: Just like internal combustion engines were considerably less efficient in the 40s than they are nowadays, I have no doubt that as society discovers the idea of decentralized trust and starts using it more and more, new technologies more efficient than the current Bitcoin Blockchain will appear. Like I said in my previous post, it's not about the current Bitcoin Blockchain being la creme de la creme. It's just that the current Bitcoin Blockchain has set the bases of decentralized trust, and whether you like it or not it is gonna play an important role in the near future of our society, the concept of decentralized trust.

 

PS2: You still seem to not understand, that Blockchain uses cases go very far from finance and trading tokens in exchanges. There is even a blockchain created to share and keep well protected medical data of patients from all around the world, there are no tokens to be traded, there is no money to be invested into it. And such like this example, Blockchain has use cases in nearly every field of society, healthcare, governments, automotive, aviation, logistics, etc.... Do you understand this?

 

[GrandPapillon]

26 minutes ago, ctxa said:

 

I am still waiting for you, to tell me about a decentralized way of building trust which is infinitely better than the Blockchain, maybe we can unveil the future here in TVF ????

 

 

...the world doesn't revolve around BLC and desperately need BLC. That's my point.

 

Trust is never decentralized, and can't be decentralized. That's the fairy tale you have been sold, and you can't let it go because of your personal insecurity bias.

 

If you need billions of demonstrations to establish trust, then you are not establishing trust, au contraire, you are establishing defiance. The calculation is the defiance, because deep down you don't trust anyone or anything.

 

It's simply not practical, like checking a billions times if your door is locked. What is worrying is that you cryptoanarchists don't see that, as much as silly Gretta don't see that we can't survive without oil and energy. These 2 extremes are the 2 faces of the same "coin". Disconnection to reality. Incidentally Gretta has Asperger, and is very much like you in her arguments based on fairy tales.

 

We have limited resources, and that's not being Gretta. As a society to function, we already have in place systems that work. We don't need a new wasteful system based on some projected fantasy by a few bored GenY to "replace" the existing infrastructure we have. This is simply a pipe dream.

 

Likewise, businesses need simplicity to function. Putting BLC into their daily process is not making things efficient or better for them. There is zero output gains, only increased costs. Eventually the business decision will always be to cut the costs and be efficient in their daily process. That's why BLC will not win businesses, apart from the token PoC being promoted by consulting firms like Accenture, ATOS, IBM GS, KPMG etc... as vanity trips to demonstrate skills they don't really have.

 

BLC is wasteful and not necessary for us to function as a society. What would happen if were to rely on such a "technology" and we run out of resources to calculate all those silly integrity algos. Then we are <deleted> for sure.

 

if you GenY want a better world, start securing land to grow your own vegetables because we might come to a time eventually that we won't have enough food to feed the planet. And cryptos will be the last thing on our mind.

[onthedarkside]

A flame comment and three resulting replies have been removed. Please cease making personal comments about fellow forum members.

 

[GrandPapillon]

I suspect that many crypto-anarchists, like the ecology-anarchists, all suffer from a reality disconnect and needs to live in a fantasy world to feel "secure". They find reality extremely hostile, and yes reality is hostile. Billions of pointless calculations is a geek way to feel more secure from reality.

 

Let's hope BLC and BTC eventually fade away like a fad ????

[fdsa]

11 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

Let's hope BLC and BTC eventually fade away like a fad ????

and PoS coins eventually rise to their triumph

[Neeranam]

I was going to take out more profits from Bitcoin but just don't know where to put the funds!!

 

 

[Heng]

IMO it's only a matter of time before there is spillover to BCH and LTC.   That said, as we discussed earlier, nothing beats land when you want to solidify your crypto gains.   You can even plant tulips on some of the land to pacify the no coiners.   

 

 

[Neeranam]

25 minutes ago, Heng said:

IMO it's only a matter of time before there is spillover to BCH and LTC.   That said, as we discussed earlier, nothing beats land when you want to solidify your crypto gains.   You can even plant tulips on some of the land to pacify the no coiners.   

 

 

Yeah, I'm thinking more and more about land. Do you think it's a good time to buy? 

[Neeranam]

On 3/4/2021 at 2:30 AM, ukrules said:

 

Agreed, I've always been very hesitant to recommend that anyone ever buy any coins, back when I first bought there was a very real chance that it could all go to zero and very quickly, after all - it had already crashed back down to about $1 from ~$30, it was only when it made its way back to about $10 after this big 'death crash' that I really looked into it.

 

I didn't mind spending some of my spare cash on them back in 2012 / early 2013 but I had no expectation at all that it would ever go up to $1000's of dollars never mind tens of thousands.

I never did believe in the hype that many were talking on bitcointalk and other places like IRC.

 

Wow, amazing, thanks for sharing.

 

I'm thinking of cashing in some cryptos, mostly DOT, UNI, BNB, LINK, ADA.

My plan is to get half Fiat and out half into BTC for 5-10 years. Do you think that is a good plan? 

I actually plan to use BTC just like a bank. 

[Susco]

On 1/7/2021 at 1:56 PM, Neeranam said:

As max Keiser said in previous vdo, $220,000 high in 2021, still a good time to get in, if he's right. He was right for his 2020 prediction. He also predicted $3000 for gold. 

 

 

So when did gold reach $3000 then?

[Susco]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

I was going to take out more profits from Bitcoin but just don't know where to put the funds!!

 

Why would you do that?

 

You gonna miss out on the 5 times multiplication, which you predicted not so long ago.