Exclusive-'It's a catastrophe': Scottish fishermen halt exports due to Brexit red tape

[vogie]

10 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

And not just in Scotland are fishermen waking up to the reality that Brexit was a con and that they have been sold a pig in a poke by city speculators:

 

Whitby fisherman says 'crews will be worse off in 2021 than before they left the EU'

In nearly 50 years as a fisherman Arnold Locker has seen it all. He was fishing when the UK joined the Common Market in 1973 and lived through the heartache of decommissioning and burning of boats that followed in the mid 1980s.
Mr Locker, chairman of Locker Trawlers in Whitby, and former chairman of the National Federation of Fishermen's Organisations, believes Environment Secretary George Eustice should resign.
He says ... politicians like Mr Eustice, Michael Gove and Prime Minister Boris Johnson "knew exactly what they were doing when they devastated coastal communities."

Well RR people cannot say that they do not get value for money with remainers. Prior to the UK getting a deal with the EU remainers were stating that fishing is not worth the rod that line is connected to. They told us in no uncertain terms that fishing only accounted for 0.05% of our GDP and wasn't worth going down the route of 'no deal,' but hey presto, now we have attained this good deal from the EU fishing has become the pinnacle of all the remainers arguements, good grief please make your minds up, you cannot have both ways.

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

Prior to the UK getting a deal with the EU remainers were stating that fishing is not worth the rod that line is connected to. They told us in no uncertain terms that fishing only accounted for 0.05% of our GDP and wasn't worth going down the route of 'no deal,'

Which is true. Didn’t anyone say differently? 

 

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

but hey presto, now we have attained this good deal from the EU

Good for the EU you mean ???? 

 

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

fishing has become the pinnacle of all the remainers arguements

How so? And for what argument exactly? 

[vogie]

1 minute ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Which is true. Didn’t anyone say differently? 

 

Good for the EU you mean ???? 

 

How so? And for what argument exactly? 

 

1 minute ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

How so? And for what argument exactly? 

Not to put too finer point on it, the remainers have gone from 'fishing doesn't matter' to 'fishing is now our Holy Grail.'

Yesterday was Ham Sandwich day, tomorrow 'who knows.' Keep trawling the internet (pun intended) and you're bound to dredge something else up.

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

 

Not to put too finer point on it, the remainers have gone from 'fishing doesn't matter' to 'fishing is now our Holy Grail.'

I haven’t seen that. Any examples? 
 

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Yesterday was Ham Sandwich day, tomorrow 'who knows.'

Do you expect the world to stop going on, or just people here stop talking about it? 

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I haven’t seen that. Any examples? 
 

Do you expect the world to stop going on, or just people here stop talking about it? 

I don't expect remainers to stop 'talking' about it, if I didn't know better I'd swear that they are just looking to find fault, but both you and myself know that remainers wouldn't do such a thing now would they.????????????

[Sujo]

2 hours ago, transam said:

If it wasn't for your incompetent SNP you may well be playing  a different tune...

 

But let's face it, after reading a zillion of your posts, you are a Nationalist, if Scotland were on its knees, you would still want independence.  

Why do you want scotland to stay?

[Sujo]

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

I don't expect remainers to stop 'talking' about it, if I didn't know better I'd swear that they are just looking to find fault, but both you and myself know that remainers wouldn't do such a thing now would they.????????????

Wasnt boris holding out because of fishing? Brexiteers cant have it both ways.

 

Why do you want scotland to stay part of uk?

[vogie]

Just now, Sujo said:

Wasnt boris holding out because of fishing? Brexiteers cant have it both ways.

 

Why do you want scotland to stay part of uk?

Question Time is on a Thursday!

[Sujo]

10 minutes ago, vogie said:

Question Time is on a Thursday!

So arguing for the sake of arguing. If you think england will be better off without scotland then just let them have at it.

 

But by arguing you are implying england needs scotland.

 

You are welcome.

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, Sujo said:

So arguing for the sake of arguing. If you think england will be better off without scotland then just let them have at it.

 

But by arguing you are implying england needs scotland.

 

You are welcome.

My reasons are no concern of yours.

 

Thank me later

[n00dle]

Seems the uk made its bed and scotland gets to lie in it.

[Sujo]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

My reasons are no concern of yours.

 

Thank me later

So you just like to troll. did u forget this is a discussion forum.

[tebee]

7 hours ago, BKKBike09 said:

Go to ports like Kinlochbervie and Lochinver and you'll see that the industry there is thriving. But all for export. You might find some 'fresh' prawns in Ullapool Tesco but otherwise forget it. Given how important the industry is to the region - and its complete reliance on road haulage export to Europe - it seems astonishing that it's now in the situation as reported. It's not as if no-one knew about Brexit until a fortnight ago.

 

It's more that no one would admit to the problems Brexit was going to cause. It was all project fear remember?

 

Maybe if the government had explained to them before it happened the would have been better prepared.

 

But that would have meant admiting Brexit was not the promised sunlight uplands, but something that had the potential to bankrupt every single one of them.

[transam]

27 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Why do you want scotland to stay?

Because the UK is an island fortress that has also done very well over the last 300 years as a Union. Whether it be engineering, technology or carrying a gun...

[transam]

3 minutes ago, n00dle said:

Seems the uk made its bed and scotland gets to lie in it.

Scotland is one part of the UK..

[Sujo]

Just now, transam said:

Because the UK is an island fortress that has also done very well over the last 300 years as a Union. Whether it be engineering, technology or carrying a gun...

So you need scotland.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, n00dle said:

Seems the uk made its bed and scotland gets to lie in it.

You couldn't be more wrong, Scotland was never a member of the EU, it was a United Kingdom that was the member and as such the UK voted to leave.

[transam]

Just now, Sujo said:

So you need scotland.

No, I don't need anything, but the UK is a successful Union, that Scotland is part of..

[n00dle]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

You couldn't be more wrong, Scotland was never a member of the EU, it was a United Kingdom that was the member and as such the UK voted to leave.

So Scotland did not benefit from the uk's former membership in the EU and are not unable to easily export fish now that that membership has ceased to be?

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

So you just like to troll. did u forget this is a discussion forum.

If you want me to be honest with you, I don't like the way you conduct yourself here. 

 

I can discuss but I don't take questions from the audience, especially certain members.

 

Now lets not derail this topic with your bickering.

 

Have a nice day.

[n00dle]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

Scotland is one part of the UK..

Thanks I was unaware of that. It all makes sense now.

[Sujo]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

No, I don't need anything, but the UK is a successful Union, that Scotland is part of..

Im sure you do need something.

 

Scotland is part of a successful union, so you need them.

[bkkcanuck8]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

Scotland is one part of the UK..

Maybe for a while. 

 

If not for Brexit, I doubt separation would be a serious threat for the foreseeable future... but in one way Brexit is turning out to be a short term pain but long term benefits to Scottish Nationalists that dream of leaving the UK.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, n00dle said:

So Scotland did not benefit from the uk's former membership in the EU and are not unable to easily export fish now that that membership has ceased to be?

Again, Scotland was never a member, it was the UK that was a member.

The fault of having difficulty exporting fish lies with the Scottish SNP leadership and no-one else.

[Sujo]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

If you want me to be honest with you, I don't like the way you conduct yourself here. 

 

I can discuss but I don't take questions from the audience, especially certain members.

 

Now lets not derail this topic with your bickering.

 

Have a nice day.

Why would i care what you like. I asked a simple question, on topic. Up to you if you are afraid to answer. 

 

Ive hardly been active on the thread.

[transam]

Just now, Sujo said:

Im sure you do need something.

 

Scotland is part of a successful union, so you need them.

I think you are nit-picking. Come up with something sensible...????

[n00dle]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Again, Scotland was never a member, it was the UK that was a member.

The fault of having difficulty exporting fish lies with the Scottish SNP leadership and no-one else.

So this has nothing to do with Brexit and the post headline is categorically wrong. Alright then. Thanks. 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Maybe for a while. 

 

If not for Brexit, I doubt separation would be a serious threat for the foreseeable future... but in one way Brexit is turning out to be a short term pain but long term benefits to Scottish Nationalists that dream of leaving the UK.

SNP smoke screen, Nationalist want out whatever is going on, they even now say they need independence to get over Corvid.....

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, n00dle said:

So this has nothing to do with Brexit and the post headline is categorically wrong. Alright then. Thanks. 

Hope this helps. Available to read on page 1.

 

"It was revealed on Thursday that the Scottish Government is still 100 officers short – with just weeks to go until Brexit.

MPs are demanding answers as to why there is a shortage, given Holyrood has received more than £100 million from the Treasury over the last three years to prepare for such things."

[welovesundaysatspace]

37 minutes ago, vogie said:

I can discuss but I don't take questions from the audience

Have you considered a Twitter account?