Puccini Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) Italian woman had COVID-19 in November 2019, study says Research based on skin biopsies supports thesis that virus circulated in Europe in autumn 2019 Giada Zampano 11.01.2021 ROME A research by a team of scientists at the University of Milan showed that a woman in the northern Italian city was already infected with COVID-19 in November 2019. The woman, 25, was affected by an atypical dermatitis, and a biopsy on her skin highlighted the presence of the novel coronavirus, said the study, published on Jan. 7 by the British Journal of Dermatology. That would make her "patient zero" of the coronavirus outbreak in Italy, which has been one of the deadliest in Europe. Full article: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/latest-on-coronavirus-outbreak/italian-woman-had-covid-19-in-november-2019-study-says/2106032 Link to the article published in the British Journal of Dermatology: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bjd.19804 Edited January 12, 2021 by Puccini added link to British Journal of Dermatology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natai Beach Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Italy were not testing until late February and by that time it was out of control. The Thais were on to it early, testing in January, when they detected the first case outside of China. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Susco Posted January 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Natai Beach said: Italy were not testing until late February and by that time it was out of control. The Thais were on to it early, testing in January, when they detected the first case outside of China. Remind us when the Chinese told the world about the existence of Covid. Hint: It wasn't in November 2019 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OffshoreMig Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 23 minutes ago, Natai Beach said: Italy were not testing until late February and by that time it was out of control. The Thais were on to it early, testing in January, when they detected the first case outside of China. You got your years wrong The Italian Case was recored in 2019. Thailand responded in 2020. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlover Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, OffshoreMig said: You got your years wrong The Italian Case was recored in 2019. Thailand responded in 2020. I understood what he meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Presuming this is a retrospective analytical finding from samples kept from this Italian patient it could be quite embarrassing for the blamers who have so consistently pointed at China as the source rather than consider China as the initial epidemic that evolved into a pandemic . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlover Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 It has been discussed on this forum a few times that it quite likely that Covid 19 was spreading through Thailand for quite a while before the first official case was announced. Chinese were flocking here, many from Wuhan before even the Chinese themselves knew about it. It would only have taken a few visitors, suffering from a 'cold' or the 'flu' to kick things off. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiekerjozef Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 She started all of this and not the virology center in Wuhan? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiekerjozef Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Puccini said: That would make her "patient zero" of the coronavirus outbreak in Italy, which has been one of the deadliest in Europe. I remember Arnie had a battle with Sub-zero one time. Edited January 12, 2021 by spiekerjozef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susco Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 15 minutes ago, Moonlover said: It has been discussed on this forum a few times that it quite likely that Covid 19 was spreading through Thailand for quite a while before the first official case was announced. Chinese were flocking here, many from Wuhan before even the Chinese themselves knew about it. It would only have taken a few visitors, suffering from a 'cold' or the 'flu' to kick things off. I have a friend who visits China frequently for business, and will be in the Wuhan area almost each time. He returned from a trip not long before Christmas 2019, and complained about a very bad cold. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Some suspect that covid19 was doing the rounds in Bangkok as early as November 2019. I was certainly caught up in something nasty while staying in a hotel. It started to resemble a chest clinic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
248900_1469958220 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, mommysboy said: Some suspect that covid19 was doing the rounds in Bangkok as early as November 2019. I was certainly caught up in something nasty while staying in a hotel. It started to resemble a chest clinic. The hotel started to resemble a chest clinic? Strange symptoms indeed.....but, that's Covid for you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 There were known infections in France in December, possibly as early as November in France and US. A Frenchman National who tested positive for Covid-19 on 27th December 2019 was thought to have become infected around 14/15th December 2019. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52526554 French News (Radio France Internationale) highlights Covid-19 was detected in patients as early at 16th November 2019: https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20200520-scans-show-french-patients-were-sick-with-covid-19-in-mid-november-doctors-say-colmar-haut-rhin Studies shows US Cases existed as early as November 2019 - as reported by Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-01/covid-infections-found-in-u-s-in-2019-weeks-before-china-cases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timendres Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Dumbastheycome said: Presuming this is a retrospective analytical finding from samples kept from this Italian patient it could be quite embarrassing for the blamers who have so consistently pointed at China as the source rather than consider China as the initial epidemic that evolved into a pandemic . Except for the fact that satellite analysis shows the very likely possibility that the virus was already an issue as early as August 2019 in China. The fact that the CCP is actively stonewalling any real analysis of the origins of the pandemic likely means we will never have a definitive answer to the question. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 50 minutes ago, 248900_1469958220 said: The hotel started to resemble a chest clinic? Strange symptoms indeed.....but, that's Covid for you! Huh! Explain the joke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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