7 hours ago, internationalism said:

just  a world of warning came from germany - they don't to approve to be given to seniors over 65 years.

probably research wasn't done properly, i.e did not include those seniors, so it's biased.

 

But also many deaths of seniors after the the other vaccinations.

The problem is, that hospitals don't want to conduct autopsies, bodies are quickly buried or cremated and no further investigation will take place. In each country there are probably tens such cases, involving also patients in their forties.

There are also many reports of adverse effects. My very close family member just died after less than 48h after moderna, the other (medic herself) fell seriously ill

Any sources for those many reports of adverse effects ?

there were reports from sweden, some 28 deaths. It's a small population country and not leader in vaccinating. So there are many many more cases with large population and advanced vax programs.

Some other european middle size population country unofficial list is 14 suspected deaths within the last 10 days.

That's why german authorities are careful with astrazeneca. Link to articles can be easily googled, it was 3 days ago.

 

During the pandemic the previous medical standards are sliping, because medics are overstretched, one of the reason for no or not thorough autopsies.

There would also be pressure from the government not to expose cases, as not to scare the rest of the population.

Also within families there would rather be tendency for fast burial, rather than keeping bodies for weeks, possibly months, before saying farewell. There also might be financial costs for families insisting on keeping bodies. That at the time, when hundreds die daily of covid and mortuaries are full.

 

Still, most vax are emergency use. Only 3 are fully approved. Astrazeneca is still phase 2/3. So there is limited financial compensation from vax producer or health service in case there are serious adverse effects.

 

I am all for vax, personally I would chose sinovac, it would be, most probable, the first one available in thailand to foreigners. But at this same time I would keep stash of covid medicines, because vax known now can't prevent infection, they can only prevent serious symptoms. 

On 1/29/2021 at 9:56 PM, dcnx said:

Thailand will cure COVID19. You wait and see.

has been hiding in plain sight!   Sangsom! Kills all in comes in contact with.....Women and children may require a mixer to help digest the tonic.... ????

On 30/01/2021 at 1:47 PM, DLock said:

The 50,000 AZ was purely a diversion and PR stunt. Irrelevant.

 

The Chinese vaccine is not approved and may not get approved. Unreliable.

 

The ongoing delivery problems will stretch out  longer than "February". Unclear.

 

The offer by India was dismissed. Face issue.

 

The Siam Bioscience being manufactured in Thailand is not of that much benefit as most will be "sold" overseas. Bad contract with AZ or profit motives.

 

If we need a local hero, now is the time to step up. 

 

Chula....Oh <deleted>.

???? Someone who gets it. The India refusal/Thai Face preservation issue being crucially impactful. 

 

You see, despite half of Thai culture and a significant percentage of the Thai genome coming from India, Thailand doesn't accept Indian culture. No doubt largely the result of more recent Sino dominant culture in Thailand. 

 

Sad

Since the taxpayer funded the factory modifications, they should make the contract public. Let's see how much Siam Bioscience is making. I'm dreaming of course.