Swimfan Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 16 minutes ago, possum1931 said: Well a lot of people are. Sounds like you are familiar with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Just now, Swimfan said: Sounds like you are familiar with them Well I'd better put you right. I am in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackcab Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 A troll post has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formaleins Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, scubascuba3 said: Not going to happen How could you be so cynical, I mean 10 million tourists only means about 320000 per day which would be around 78 - (400 seater) flights every single day, what could be wrong with that? On 12/14/2020 at 9:07 PM, ktm jeff said: Edited February 2, 2021 by Formaleins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayhem11 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I am afraid I agree with the cynics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiang Mai Bill Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 11 hours ago, Olivie said: They started to understand that no tourists will come to quarantine in Thailand. It took time but they finally get it. But they don't seem to understand that having ''a'' vaccine does not mean they cannot be infected still and/or spread the virus! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rioD Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 As Israel races to vaccinate its population to bring the coronavirus under control, a new report shows that even though one million Israelis have been vaccinated, the virus remains difficult to eradicate. To date, 240 Israelis who received the first dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine have later been diagnosed with the virus, according to the Times of Israel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimfan Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 hour ago, rioD said: To date, 240 Israelis who received the first dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine have later been diagnosed with the virus, according to the Times of Israel. its now 12000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkktodd Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 8 hours ago, cormanr7 said: Maybe yous should read this first: https://thethaiger.com/news/national/survey-finds-thais-want-tourists-back-but-with-quarantine. Apart from that we have heard endless proposals/suggestions from the TAT and we have all seen how that has ended. They are not the decision makers. Thais surveyed .....thats rich. Easy to fill out a survey when you dont need the min 45 days off to quarantine and be a tourist. Easy also when its farangs that pay $1500 and up for ASQ quarantine whilst free for Thais in quarantine. the survey ill like to see ...how many here on commenting on TV regarding quarantine have ACTUALLY done quarantine in Thailand? I got plenty of time 8th day in quarantine of 16 required at 60.000b. One survey question ill answer. It suxs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobinBKK Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 What about the expats that live in Thailand? What happens if we travel outside of Thailand for 2 or 3 days, how do we get back in? There's no intention of offering vaccines to us, so how do we even get out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Swimfan Posted February 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 minute ago, BobinBKK said: so how do we even get out? In an urn 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Mywayboy said: Why would I want to leave a relatively safe country like Australia & go to a Covid19 hotspot such as Thailand. Thailand, 20,454 cases and 79 deaths, Oz 28,824 cases and 909 deaths. Thailand currently more fun than Perth! Edited February 2, 2021 by jacko45k 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhaoYai Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 8 hours ago, Ian C HH said: Regardless whether TAT will or won’t allow isn’t even CONSIDERING the possibility somewhat dangerous? we already know that certain vaccines only have fifty something percent effectiveness. Potentially then fifty percent vaccinated people are still carriers? stranger danger. ! Dangerous at the moment yes, but I believe this virus is going to be with us for quite some time. Countries can't stay locked down for ever - I think the time will come when compromises have to be made and long term strategies put in place. Vaccinations are taking place and treatments are improving - it may be that countries wishing to stimulate their economies have to decide on a level of acceptable risk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhaoYai Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 hour ago, rioD said: As Israel races to vaccinate its population to bring the coronavirus under control, a new report shows that even though one million Israelis have been vaccinated, the virus remains difficult to eradicate. To date, 240 Israelis who received the first dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine have later been diagnosed with the virus, according to the Times of Israel. When posting such stories, perhaps you should not be so selective regarding the section of the text that you copy and paste. How about adding this section: Among the nearly one million Israelis vaccinated against coronavirus so far, some 240 Israelis have been diagnosed with the virus days after getting the shot, Channel 13 News reported Thursday. The point is that your original post suggests that the vaccine doesn't work so well, when the truth is that it takes time for immunity to kick in as recognised in the next paragraph of the article: The figure underscores the need for individuals to continue to protect themselves for weeks after being inoculated, as the body takes time to develop effective antibodies against the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimfan Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 minute ago, KhaoYai said: When posting such stories, perhaps you should not be so selective regarding the section of the text that you copy and paste. How about adding this section: Among the nearly one million Israelis vaccinated against coronavirus so far, some 240 Israelis have been diagnosed with the virus days after getting the shot, Channel 13 News reported Thursday. The point is that your original post suggests that vaccine doesn't work so well, when the truth is that it takes time for immunity to kick in as recognised in the next paragraph of the article: The figure underscores the need for individuals to continue to protect themselves for weeks after being inoculated, as the body takes time to develop effective antibodies against the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19. That article is a month old. It now 12000 confirmed cases in people who have received the first dose and 70 cases in people who have received both doses. I am assuming all of these cases are likely to be symptomatic as it is unlikely they went for a test if they were asymptomatic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhaoYai Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Swimfan said: That article is a month old. It now 12000 confirmed cases in people who have received the first dose and 70 cases in people who have received both doses. I am assuming all of these cases are likely to be symptomatic as it is unlikely they went for a test if they were asymptomatic The point is that the infections took place before immunity had built up. Edited February 2, 2021 by KhaoYai 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olivie Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 12 hours ago, AmySeeker said: This is upteenth thread of this. It's just a proposal. Nothing will change till Thailand vaccinates it's vulnerable population. Vaccinated people can probably not transmit it. So no need to wait for thai to be vaccinated if tourists are Quote Israeli study suggests Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine decreases virus transmission A new study from Israel's Sheba Medical Center in Tel Hashomer suggested that the Pfizer vaccine does, in fact, reduce transmission. The small study of 102 medical workers found that after the second dose of the vaccine, 100 of the subjects had significantly higher levels of antibodies than even people who recovered from severe COVID-19 infections, The Jerusalem Post reports. "The results of the survey are in line with Pfizer's experiment and even better than expected," said Prof. Gili Regev-Yochay, director of Sheba's Infectious Disease Epidemiology Unit. "I expect that the survey results of the other employees participating will be similar. There is certainly reason for optimism." It isn't clear how long immunity will last, and the results are preliminary, but Regev-Yochay said it appears to her that fully vaccinate people won't shed the virus, meaning they won't pass it on to others. "People who have received both doses of the vaccine have levels of antibodies ranging from six to 59," Regev-Yochay said. "These are high values, and it's encouraging and reasonable to assume that these people will not be carriers or contagious, although that is still not a direct conclusion." Israel is the first country to have vaccinated nearly a quarter of its population, making it a valuable resource for vaccine developers and public health experts. https://news.yahoo.com/israeli-study-suggests-pfizer-covid-143104894.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR2020 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Fake negative certs.........soon to be no doubt fake vaccine certs........... Europol warns travellers over fake Covid-19 vaccine certificates (france24.com) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 As has been posted and reported on many times before: "— The vaccines prevent illness, but maybe not infection. COVID vaccines are being authorized based on how well they keep you from getting sick, needing hospitalization and dying. Scientists don’t know yet how effective the vaccines are at preventing the coronavirus from infecting you to begin with, or at keeping you from passing it on to others. (That is why vaccinated people should keep wearing masks and maintaining social distance.)" https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01/31/world/covid-19-coronavirus#covid-19-vaccine-coronavirus-positive 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailand49 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 8 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said: It's actually a good result as it shows a significant drop in infections even after 2 weeks when compared to the national prevalence at the time of the study. I agree all people got to do is put their critical thinking cap on? Everyone one is different especially our immune system people get different reactions and results. I keep in touch with family members back home a number is in the health industry a Department head in a major City Health Department another a Doctor who heads a major West coast Veteran hospital both already had their jabs aside from a soar arm nothing major that includes all my cousins and friends in the States all over 65 my mother 103 is schedule in a few days. Personally everything I've read in regards to the Johnson and Johnson even with the one jab I would gladly pay and take it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailand49 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 7 hours ago, Peter Denis said: Given the hysterical scare attitude it is more likely that mandatory vaccination will be ADDED to the other measures to 'control the virus' (an impossible undertaking by the way, but doesn't stop the powers that be, to go that road). So welcome to the envisioned New Normal > mandatory vaccination and mandatory quarantaine on entering the country. Mandatory face-masks and social-distancing at any social gathering. And top that up with the occasional provincial lock-downs when any positive case detected. When fear rules, everything suffers... Yes, it is an mammoth undertaking living here needing to visit back home since I'm entrusted with so many family member Trust. All I want is to be able to travel home take care of business stay a few weeks and come back to my family here I'm not bother by all the other mandates here in Thailand but I won't go through all the required hoops just to get back. So I cross my fingers aside from the Chinese worse vaccine as soon as they put a stamp on one of the other vaccines give me that passport I'm out of here! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olivie Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 14 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: As has been posted and reported on many times before: "— The vaccines prevent illness, but maybe not infection. COVID vaccines are being authorized based on how well they keep you from getting sick, needing hospitalization and dying. Scientists don’t know yet how effective the vaccines are at preventing the coronavirus from infecting you to begin with, or at keeping you from passing it on to others. (That is why vaccinated people should keep wearing masks and maintaining social distance.)" https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01/31/world/covid-19-coronavirus#covid-19-vaccine-coronavirus-positive Quote Israeli study suggests Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine decreases virus transmission A new study from Israel's Sheba Medical Center in Tel Hashomer suggested that the Pfizer vaccine does, in fact, reduce transmission. The small study of 102 medical workers found that after the second dose of the vaccine, 100 of the subjects had significantly higher levels of antibodies than even people who recovered from severe COVID-19 infections, The Jerusalem Post reports. "The results of the survey are in line with Pfizer's experiment and even better than expected," said Prof. Gili Regev-Yochay, director of Sheba's Infectious Disease Epidemiology Unit. "I expect that the survey results of the other employees participating will be similar. There is certainly reason for optimism." It isn't clear how long immunity will last, and the results are preliminary, but Regev-Yochay said it appears to her that fully vaccinate people won't shed the virus, meaning they won't pass it on to others. "People who have received both doses of the vaccine have levels of antibodies ranging from six to 59," Regev-Yochay said. "These are high values, and it's encouraging and reasonable to assume that these people will not be carriers or contagious, although that is still not a direct conclusion." Israel is the first country to have vaccinated nearly a quarter of its population, making it a valuable resource for vaccine developers and public health experts. https://news.yahoo.com/israeli-study-suggests-pfizer-covid-143104894.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailand49 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 4 hours ago, dash said: not sure for immunity.........but it is possible that produced antibodies can be detected and immune cells are triggerd for unknown actions in the future ....... that is how corona acts in cats in my expirience for the last 35 years. Yes, my bag that's the word " antibodies " Thanks for the correction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwikeith Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 12 hours ago, scubascuba3 said: Not going to happen QUITE right, and it is because none of the vaccines so far can prove that Covid can not be passed on after vaccination, none of the vaccines were tested on old people, they still do not know how long immunity will last nor do they know if those vaccinated will still be able to catch covid again, the latter has already happened So <deleted> at the moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onebir Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, kiwikeith said: none of the vaccines so far can prove that Covid can not be passed on after vaccination, To justify dropping quarantine for vaccinated people, doesn't it just have to reduce their risk of transmitting covid to a similar level to quarantine? It seems to go some way towards this. Quote none of the vaccines were tested on old people, The Pfizer vaccine's original phase 3 group included over 65s, and it has been rolled out to older people preferentially in several places (Israel for one). Quote they still do not know how long immunity will last True, but couldn't immunity be tested, eg via antibody tests? I think a system involving vaccination +/ administering an antibody test kit (ideally via the Thai Embassy where you apply for a visa) could provide a similar level of assurance to the existing quarantine arrangements, with much lower time/financial costs. Whether/when the relevant departments etc will figure this out, IDK... Edited February 2, 2021 by onebir 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey346 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Don't these fools get it.. Vaccinated does not mean immuned and can't spread the virus. It means if you get the virus and have been Vaccinated, your likely to get a milder version that may not be life threatening. But you still can spread it.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 A post with a link to a questionable source has been removed: 18) Social Media content is acceptable in most social forums. However, in factual areas such as news, current affairs and health topics, it cannot be used unless it is from a credible news media source or government agency, and must include a weblink to the original source. Some troll posts and replies have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hottrader77 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 16 hours ago, Olivie said: They started to understand that no tourists will come to quarantine in Thailand. It took time but they finally get it. yes they seem to think money grows on trees in the west , also what would help is 70 baht to the GBP LIKE IT USED TO BE , its hardly budged from 40 bt to gbp even though thais are nearly starving with no jobs etc , how it stays at 40 bt to GBP i will never know it must be fiddled 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabradelmar Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Which vaccine and how will people prove the injection? Thailand will need 3 documents in triplicate signed by an insurance company and a doctor ???? Not to mention vaccine does not last forever against all strains, and people can still be asymptomatic with a vaccine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KhaoYai Posted February 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2021 There are so many stories going around about the vaccines and so many studies yet to do. I've heard and read a lot of them and formed my own opinion which is what most people should do until everything is known (maybe never). I believe the efficacy claims from the manufacturers - at least the ones that have been scrutinised and approved by the experts in my country - that's there job and I have to trust them. So in terms of immunity, I believe the vaccines approved so far will provide me with pretty good protection against Covid 19. From all I've read I believe that the vaccines will provide a degree of reduced transmission - simply by the reduced viral load. They may give additional protection but we will have to wait and see on that. There are some stories about people becoming infected after they've had the vaccine - like the ones posted on here from Israel. Well, it seems that most happened before immunity built up - as for those where it had - none of the vaccines claim to prevent the virus 100%. I also believe the manufacturers claims that in cases where a vaccinated person does get the virus, they are unlikely to become severely unwell - again because its been peer reviewed and approved by the experts. All in all I'm happy that the UK approved vaccines will offer a very good level of protection against all aspects of Covid 19 so I'll happily have my jab when its offered. Very little (if any) of what I read against the vaccines appears to have any scientific basis. I really don't understand why people seem to be so keen to post such things. Even where they do give sources, they often misquote them or select portions that suit their point of view. The best chance we have of ending this Pandemic is through vaccinations - the anti vaxxers don't seem to offer any alternatives other than leaving things to chance. If you don't want to have the vaccine, just don't have it but stop trying to influence others. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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