Lights out: Brexit shuts off market for English cheese truckles

[onebir]

3 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

1) You think, the UK accepts any meat, fish, dairy from "third countries"without any veterinarian check into the UK ? They learnt theri lesson with the mouth & claw disease a decade ago

2) For me, in international food business since 1977, not to understand why not arranged that a year ago.

1) You tell me, since you've been involved in the business since 1977!

2) Me neither, seems like a bad mistake on the company's part (unless maybe UK vets are really greedy?).

[puipuitom]

1 minute ago, onebir said:

1) You tell me, since you've been involved in the business since 1977!

2) Me neither, seems like a bad mistake on the company's part (unless maybe UK vets are really greedy?).

YOU can do an inspection for less ? Of course, with a certificate valid for the EU...

For the rest... simply ask any seafood, or poultry exporter to the EU in Thailand... same "third country" rules.

[puipuitom]

10 hours ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Doing that and you would likely get yourself arrested... because the alternative to allowing forged documents... is that official documents can no longer be trusted and thus not accepted (blocking all trade requiring it). 

 

10 hours ago, simon43 said:

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...each consignment needs to be accompanied by a health certificate signed off by a vet that costs 180 pounds per consignment,...

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Sigh..... just buy a vet stamp and forge the signature..... problem solved, 180 pounds saved...... that's what EU countries do!

 

Simon43 is a typical Brit, who voted for Brexit; not even the faintest idea of what he writes about, nor the consequences. ( where her Majesty's Kingdom is now stuck with )

[BusyB]

21 hours ago, ukrules said:

 

If they're not then they soon will be plus a lot more besides.

 

Two can play at this game.

 

Target all major imports from the EU to the UK and ramp up the paperwork requirements and certification.

 

Can you still buy French cheeses in the UK?

 

 

It's not a game matey ... these are the requirements placed on all third country exporters to the EU. You elected to become a third party country, outside the customs union and single market.

 

Those are the rules. They're designed to protect the internal market from cheats and diseases. Try getting a cheese sandwich into the US.

 

I assume it's the same in the other direction, but they don't sell much Roquefort in Sunderland I suspect, so most wouldn't notice. Those who do  buy it can afford the extra.

 

Have you still not understood that 'take back control' had nothing to do with the ordinary Joes and Joans trudging your dilapidated high streets? 

[puipuitom]

9 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

Well, here we go! I wonder how many other companies will go down the drain/relocate to the EU? But Brexit is sooooo great for the UK. It’s just the beginning! 

That's why UK companies are looking by the hundreds, on their own or together, for warehouses around the port of Rotterdam. We all thank the genious Boris Cummings for the support to migrate UK companies to here.

[puipuitom]

5 hours ago, transam said:

No, another EU hurdle, or did you miss that fact.....

An EU hurdle for EVERY third country origins, as the UK insisted to be also.

[transam]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Who would have thought it.

 

Mr Spurrell thinks that the lack of an exemption from costly certificates for direct consumer sales was an oversight in Boris Johnson’s Brexit trade agreement, as negotiators rushed to seal the deal at the end of 2020.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-cheese-uk-eu-barrels-b1796321.html

"Thinks".......Oh, it's The Independent.....

[puipuitom]

4 hours ago, transam said:

Quite right, it's just the beginning of freedom, we look forward to our future with no shackles.... 

And a lot of business = work = income for many British. But.. of course, since the UK applied for the many TRILLIONS economy around the Pacific, all problems for UK businesses are gone.. entire Papua will go to eat... cheddar cheese..

[puipuitom]

4 hours ago, transam said:

No it wasn't dismissed by anyone, nobody knew about the new regulation paperwork, we just knew we were free to run our own country. Stop making up stories.... 

These regulations exist since 1958, the start of the EEC. The ONLY problem is, the British believe Genious Boris Cummings, NOT the many, who warned them again and again, and forgot all they should have known, being EU member for 47 years.

[transam]

1 hour ago, Surelynot said:

Who cares about such trifling little details....not BJ.

Correct, get the deal done at the 11th hour, job done, isn't it great.....

 

And now the EU is smarting, being a little childish, sulking, pulling dodgy fast ones on the spur of the moment and getting into trouble, a fast one that the world has been talking about, Article 16..... tut,tut remainers, that's your club in action..... 

 

[david555]

6 minutes ago, transam said:

That's right, you had to be patient when the axis walked into your country, but it all came good in the end, just a little patience and faith.....????....

Start hoping it comes good also for your country with patience and faith ...????

[transam]

45 minutes ago, Mike Galley said:

That's just a small example : trade-wise UK starts feeling the Brexit-pain already and it will effect UK economy worse day by day. As this article shows: the first ones have started to realise the benefits of being EU member . Just give the British some more time until even the last one will understand.

I think you have got that the wrong way round chum, since we left the EU, we have all seen the real EU in action, that sort of club just isn't our scene.......????

[transam]

25 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

 

10 hours ago, simon43 said:

[quote]

...each consignment needs to be accompanied by a health certificate signed off by a vet that costs 180 pounds per consignment,...

[/quote]

 

Sigh..... just buy a vet stamp and forge the signature..... problem solved, 180 pounds saved...... that's what EU countries do!

 

Simon43 is a typical Brit, who voted for Brexit; not even the faintest idea of what he writes about, nor the consequences. ( where her Majesty's Kingdom is now stuck with )

Why don't you talk to him instead of "using" a member.

How do you know what a typical Brit is like, you don't.

Tell me where you come from for comparison....?

[puipuitom]

3 hours ago, Andy from Kent said:

Spurrell can no longer sell cheese gift boxes worth around 25 pounds to the EU through his online shop because each consignment needs to be accompanied by a health certificate signed off by a vet that costs 180 pounds per consignment, regardless of size.

 

Can't they just hire a vet to be on the company payroll?

 

Again a Brit, who does not have the faintest idea... it is NOT the signature of any vet. An EU appointed vet will take the shipment into a scrutiny.

[transam]

13 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

And a lot of business = work = income for many British. But.. of course, since the UK applied for the many TRILLIONS economy around the Pacific, all problems for UK businesses are gone.. entire Papua will go to eat... cheddar cheese..

You are making things up again, guessing and sneering at the UK, you should get over the loss of UK cash, chap.....

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

These regulations exist since 1958, the start of the EEC. The ONLY problem is, the British believe Genious Boris Cummings, NOT the many, who warned them again and again, and forgot all they should have known, being EU member for 47 years.

Why should anybody believe the prophets of doom, from what most British citizens have seen coming out of the EU in the last 4 years is not enough to change anyones minds, infact it has just reinforced it even more. And what with your Leader UvL malicious intentions in the last few days, all it has done is  united the Brexiteers and the remainers (not those on here of course, too far gone I suspect), they now realise just how vindictive the EU can be. It is just about a month now since we left the Jolly Boys Club and already everybody wants to see the demise of the UK, I believe shortly that the UK will greatly surpass the beaurocratic EU economically and then it will be a matter of hard cheddar Euros.

 

 

[Nout]

More toxic, one sided, anti Brexit propaganda.  But great to see the word truckle in use.

[transam]

11 minutes ago, david555 said:

Start hoping it comes good also for your country with patience and faith ...????

Of course, and it's early days, but I was happy to read that Greenland is now asking for UK help to cut out the EU, something promising near every day.....

[puipuitom]

1 hour ago, Proboscis said:

The agreement that the UK made with the EU.

 

What this and other conditionality in the agreement mean is that only large consignments of the same stuff (uniform consignments) can be practically sent. So you can send a container of cheeses to one customer but not one cheese to 1,000 customers, as before.

 

The outcome is that only large producers will be able to export. All those specialised companies or small companies, such as those manufacturing specialised engineering parts, will have a lot of trouble and cost.

Veterinarian certification does NOT exist for "specialised engineering parts". Only customs declaration - but for the UK origin, no import duty-  and.. when imported into the EU: V.A.T.  As every import.

[transam]

11 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

david555, Again a Brit - vogie - , who thinks the entire world follows British rule. And as they know only one language, think even extraterrestrials speak English..

Are you now posting about members characters to others...?

Think you should be careful.....

[transam]

10 minutes ago, colinneil said:

Clearly you are a Brit hater, sad really, Vogie is a true gent and yet you vilify him at every opportunity, why?????????

All he's got, matey.......????

But, envy can do strange things....????

[puipuitom]

16 minutes ago, transam said:

I think you have got that the wrong way round chum, since we left the EU, we have all seen the real EU in action, that sort of club just isn't our scene.......????

You mean: since we left the EU all nonsense as spread by Brexiteers, falls into lies, as reality comes up, as the entire world knows already for decades.

[Proboscis]

3 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Veterinarian certification does NOT exist for "specialised engineering parts". Only customs declaration - but for the UK origin, no import duty-  and.. when imported into the EU: V.A.T.  As every import.

Of course not, and forgive me if you read it that way. And while there is no import duty, there are many other costs. First, there have to be certificate of origin. In a highly specialised piece of engineering, such as a specialised part, what exactly was made in the UK and what was made elsewhere. Good luck with working that out in such as way that it cannot be argued with.

Then there is the description. While with something that is obvious, such as litres of milk, it is clear. When it is a once-off piece of specialized engineering, it is not so clear. Everything still has to be cleared and under the correct description.

This is just touching the surface. But that is what we expect when something as complicated as a wide-ranging trade agreement is rushed through at the last moment.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

You mean: since we left the EU all nonsense as spread by Brexiteers, falls into lies, as reality comes up, as the entire world knows already for decades.

Careful, don't want you having a seizure, but, what are you talking about now...?

We have left the EU, we got there, we crack on..How about you....? ????

[puipuitom]

3 minutes ago, Proboscis said:

Of course not, and forgive me if you read it that way. And while there is no import duty, there are many other costs. First, there have to be certificate of origin. In a highly specialised piece of engineering, such as a specialised part, what exactly was made in the UK and what was made elsewhere. Good luck with working that out in such as way that it cannot be argued with.

Then there is the description. While with something that is obvious, such as litres of milk, it is clear. When it is a once-off piece of specialized engineering, it is not so clear. Everything still has to be cleared and under the correct description.

This is just touching the surface. But that is what we expect when something as complicated as a wide-ranging trade agreement is rushed through at the last moment.

As everybody, who wants to export to the EU. See taric code info. I presume, somebody knows what he/she wants to export. TARIC Consultation (europa.eu)

Every Brit who can read could have known this consequence of leaving the EU and be a "third country". See the promise of a referendum after the elections of 7 May 2015. 

 

[transam]

7 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

As everybody, who wants to export to the EU. See taric code info. I presume, somebody knows what he/she wants to export. TARIC Consultation (europa.eu)

Every Brit who can read could have known this consequence of leaving the EU and be a "third country". See the promise of a referendum after the elections of 7 May 2015. 

 

Every Brit knew the consequences of the axis standing on the shores of France peering at us through binoculars, it didn't make ant difference chap, and we prevailed......

[Rimmer]

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[candide]

8 hours ago, vogie said:

So help me out here Chomper, are the EU countries having similar problems on exporting to the UK, in which case why aren't Reuters reporting it, i.e. or do they just want people to believe that it is a UK problem. Or are goods entering the UK without any problems, but only encountering these problems when trying to export to the EU block which might suggest that the fault lies with the EU beaurocracy. 

In which case it is 'somebody elses fault' 

In UK there is a six months transition period until 1 july, with an intermediary step on 1 April, until full implementation of the operating border model. From 1 April, EU exporters to UK will also need to provide a sanitary certificate for some food products.

The final model is explained here.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-border-operating-model

Edited February 3, 2021 by candide

[david555]

2 hours ago, transam said:

Are you now posting about members characters to others...?

Think you should be careful.....

Your fingers must be hitching now .....????

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, candide said:

In UK there is a six months transition period until 1 july, with an intermediary step on 1 April, until the full application of the operating border model. From 1 April, EU exporters to UK will also need to provide a sanitary certificate for some food products.

The final model is explained here.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-border-operating-model

Thanks for the link Candide, it may take a couple of years to read all that so I cannot guarentee a speedy response.????????????