UK asks EU for Brexit grace period extension to 2023, BBC reports

[Phulublub]

8 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

so much wrong about your comments. Their collective religious bigotry caused the instability, not one thing else. Why do they deserve a break exactly? They are no more than a small troubled part of Ireland that lives in the past struggles of the 1920s, yes of course they should be united with the rest of the Ireland and the sooner the better. They have held the rest of the UK to ransom for far too long. As for the 'troubles', as it was euphemistically termed, if it did  kick off again, then they deserve to be left to stew in their own idiocy. To paraphrase a famous saying ' NI is not worth the life of one Grenadier'. It never was. 

Many in Eire also believe NI should be left well alone.

 

PH

[vinny41]

Just now, bannork said:

They're not that dumb.

They have been talking about it since the VDL debacle 

Here a good example of how important VDL thinks the Irish are

 

Four Irish MEPs had a slot in the debate to ask her questions directly, one each from Sinn Féin, Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael, and the Greens.Unfortunately, by the time the first Irish MEP had the chance to speak, von der Leyen had exited the chamber to give radio and television interviews. This left Sinn Féin’s Chris MacManus addressing an empty chair as “madame president”.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/von-der-leyen-turns-abundance-of-irish-concerns-into-democratic-deficit-1.4481500

[vogie]

8 minutes ago, bannork said:

Now you're talking.

Yes, talking nonsense, Sir John Curtiss has said that public opinion is showing signs of moving on, oh I do wish that he would tell the faithfull followers of the EU on this forum.

 

"Writing on the WhatUKthinks website, Sir John said: "Despite the intensity of the Brexit debate in the last four years, we might anticipate that public opinion is now showing signs of moving on.

"But what might ‘moving on’ mean?

"One possibility is that irrespective of whatever view they had when the UK left the EU just over a year ago, most Remain voters now believe that there is little point in questioning a decision that has not only been made but fully executed."

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1394181/brexit-latest-news-sir-john-curtice-remainers-leaver-rejoiners-european-union

[Pilotman]

13 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Many in Eire also believe NI should be left well alone.

 

PH

I know, no love lost there.  Lived in Kerry for  a year in 1998 and they made it very plain that they didn't want anything to do with NI, We can hardly blame them. 

[Bluespunk]

18 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Or the Republic of Ireland to join the UK

Never- freedom from british rule was hard won and won’t be given up. 

[vinny41]

17 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Never- freedom from british rule was hard won and won’t be given up. 

Well its  being talked about by the irish on Irish forums

I guess they will decide which is the lesser of two evils

Being part of the EU or Being part of the UK

[Bluespunk]

15 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Well its  being talked about by the irish on Irish forums

I guess they will decide which is the lesser of two evils

Being part of the EU or Being part of the UK

Never will the Republic allow itself to be subjugated to british rule again. 

[vinny41]

2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Never will the Republic allow itself to be subjugated to british rule again. 

I don't think anyone is talking about the Republic being subjugated to british rule again

what they were disussing is regarding trading partners

which is the lesser of two evils

Being part of the EU or Being part of the UK as a trading partner

[Bluespunk]

3 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

I don't think anyone is talking about the Republic being subjugated to british rule again

what they were disussing is regarding trading partners

which is the lesser of two evils

Being part of the EU or Being part of the UK as a trading partner

You said

 

23 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Being part of the EU or Being part of the UK

 

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

Or the Republic of Ireland to join the UK

Not going to happen. 
 

As to trading, Eire does that through its membership of the EU. 

[vinny41]

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

You said

 

 

Not going to happen. 

Being part of the EU or Being part of the UK as a trading partner

I do remember Sean Connery stating if would never play 007 again and then a few years later who played 007 in Never Say Never Again

I will leave it down to the Irish people to decide what is best for themselves

People used to say that the UK would never leave the EU
 

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Being part of the EU or Being part of the UK as a trading partner

I do remember Sean Connery stating if would never play 007 again and then a few years later who played 007 in Never Say Never Again

I will leave it down to the Irish people to decide what is best for themselves

People used to say that the UK would never leave the EU
 

You didn’t say trading partner in either of the posts I quoted. 
 

I am Irish and really don’t see how Scottish actors have any relevance here. 

[vinny41]

5 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

You didn’t say trading partner in either of the posts I quoted. 
 

I am Irish and really don’t see how Scottish actors have any relevance here. 

I made the assumption that when I said Irish people are talking about leaving the EU and joining the UK it would be as a trading partner

I don't think anyone in Ireland is talking about being subject to Uk rule again

[Bluespunk]

6 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

I made the assumption that when I said Irish people are talking about leaving the EU and joining the UK it would be as a trading partner

I don't think anyone in Ireland is talking about being subject to Uk rule again

That’s for sure. 
 

And as I say Eire trades with U.K. as a member of the EU, no reason to change that. 

[vinny41]

7 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

That’s for sure. 
 

And as I say Eire trades with U.K. as a member of the EU, no reason to change that. 

Unless the people of the Republic or Ireland choose to leave the EU and trade with the UK 

[brewsterbudgen]

18 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Unless the people of the Republic or Ireland choose to leave the EU and trade with the UK 

Unlike the Brits, the Irish are not idiots.

[Bluespunk]

24 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Unless the people of the Republic or Ireland choose to leave the EU and trade with the UK 

Don’t see that happening.
 

And as I keep pointing out Eire does trade with the uk. 

[vinny41]

11 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Don’t see that happening.
 

And as I keep pointing out Eire does trade with the uk. 

Like I said its being discussed by Irish people on Irish forums and on Irish social media ever since the VDL debacle

Similar discussions are going on all over Europe with a number of regions that want independence from their current environment

such as Catalonia, Basque Country followed by Flanders, Padania in Italy,South Tyrol, In Italy, and finally

Corsica 

Beyond Catalonia: Separatist movements in Western Europe

Catalonia's regional government plans to hold its independence referendum on Sunday. But separatist movements are not unique to Spain: Several other European regions have aspirations of becoming autonomous.

As stated excellent idea and the EU could take the lead by example

https://www.dw.com/en/beyond-catalonia-separatist-movements-in-western-europe/a-40761144

[Bluespunk]

36 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Like I said its being discussed by Irish people on Irish forums and on Irish social media ever since the VDL debacle

Similar discussions are going on all over Europe with a number of regions that want independence from their current environment

such as Catalonia, Basque Country followed by Flanders, Padania in Italy,South Tyrol, In Italy, and finally

Corsica 

Beyond Catalonia: Separatist movements in Western Europe

Catalonia's regional government plans to hold its independence referendum on Sunday. But separatist movements are not unique to Spain: Several other European regions have aspirations of becoming autonomous.

As stated excellent idea and the EU could take the lead by example

https://www.dw.com/en/beyond-catalonia-separatist-movements-in-western-europe/a-40761144

And like I said-not going to happen. 
 

https://www.europeanmovement.ie/programmes/ireland-and-the-eu-poll/

 

https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-leave-eu-poll-february-2018-3836085-Feb2018/
 

 

[Tofer]

4 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

It may become relevant when their contractual obligation is to supply you product X by date Y from those manufacturing sites. 

 

Do you know nothing?

 

That's exactly what they were doing, but UvdL didn't like being second in line...., especially from the EU located manufacturing facilities.

 

4 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

That’s your claim that you keep making without providing any evidence. Again, where did the EU contractually agree that the UK shall be supplied before the EU? 

 

With the suppliers, by virtue of the FACT, the UK placed their orders some 3 months ahead of the EU. Your own MEP's and media have been criticising UvdL for her delays in arranging orders for vaccines. 

 

Or have you been living under a stone these past weeks, you certainly appear particularly uninformed for someone supposedly interested in the subject and readily willing to commentate.

 

The contracts are not available to view, outside of the EU's heavily redacted versions. By all means provide the evidence, if you are so convinced you can prove me wrong. But please save us your baseless pontificating, it's boring and embarrassing for you.

 

4 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

The EU is taking actions against a contract partner not fulfilling their contractual obligations. That’s what people do when this happens. Has nothing to do with anger, though it certainly is annoying. 

 

The UK, whom the EU have been attempting to take action against, are not the EU's contractual partners, it's the vaccine manufacturers who contracted to supply them.

 

Nothing to do with anger, more to do with bitterness, and fear of the UK succeeding, as well as a fear of being found out to be inept.

 

4 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Common practice to take other measures first before suing. Maybe you didn’t enter many agreements in your life or you were lucky that you never had to deal with a contractual partner not fulfilling their obligations to you. 

 

Ha ha, if only you knew, then you would be eating your words.

 

I've probably written, vetted and arbitrated more contracts than you've had hot dinners, since I have a large property portfolio, and have had a career as a project architect / developer on major international projects for nigh on 50 years, around the globe.

 

I even took a high profile London law firm partner / director to court and won the case, resulting in his side-line debt factoring company being closed down, and he was struck off of the Law Societies register, and not allowed to practice as a solicitor anymore.

 

Pray tell us what experience of contracts you've had??

 

5 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

You certainly seem agitated. 

 

No, simply frustrated at the lack of comprehension of some people, and their propensity to perpetuate a baseless argument.

[Tofer]

5 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

So this really doesn’t have anything to do with the UK but is purely between the EU and AstraZeneca.

 

Finally, you appear to understand!!

 

5 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

So I am surprised that some Brexiteers take this personally and get so offended. 

 

They were offended at UvdL invoking article 16 in a vindictive attempt to disrupt trade and create disharmony between the UK mainland and NI.

[Tofer]

6 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

The contract I am aware of says AstraZeneca will manufacture the vaccine at manufacturing sites located within the EU and also stipulates that this includes plants based in the U.K., more specifically two out of four manufacturing sites mentioned in the contract are in the U.K. So maybe you should direct your anger at AstraZeneca instead. 

 

Are you purposely trying to be obtuse, or are you really that confused in your thinking. It is the EU that have the dispute with AZ over the supply schedule, not the UK...

 

Please make your mind up which way wish to argue the issue.

 

Edit - I apologise for duplicating a post response, albeit in a different vein.

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Unlike the Brits, the Irish are not idiots.

???? that reminds me all the funny Irish jokes.

[Tofer]

5 hours ago, stevenl said:

So you get into an argument about the contracts, lose that argument, therefore decide it is irrelevant.

 

Pathetic nonsense....

 

Read the threads properly, and please try to understand, before attempting to be clever with your sarcastic remarks.

[bannork]

32 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

???? that reminds me all the funny Irish jokes.

They've been replaced by Brexit jokes.

[bannork]

3 hours ago, vogie said:

Yes, talking nonsense, Sir John Curtiss has said that public opinion is showing signs of moving on, oh I do wish that he would tell the faithfull followers of the EU on this forum.

 

"Writing on the WhatUKthinks website, Sir John said: "Despite the intensity of the Brexit debate in the last four years, we might anticipate that public opinion is now showing signs of moving on.

"But what might ‘moving on’ mean?

"One possibility is that irrespective of whatever view they had when the UK left the EU just over a year ago, most Remain voters now believe that there is little point in questioning a decision that has not only been made but fully executed."

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1394181/brexit-latest-news-sir-john-curtice-remainers-leaver-rejoiners-european-union

Yes, the British public have to suffer for a while to realize the folly of Brexit. And the EU wouldn't entertain entering talks unless there was clear consensus on the UK side about wanting to rejoin. 

And it would need a Labour government to propose re-entry.  

[vinny41]

52 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

And like I said-not going to happen. 
 

https://www.europeanmovement.ie/programmes/ireland-and-the-eu-poll/

 

https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-leave-eu-poll-february-2018-3836085-Feb2018/
 

 

40 years ago if I said there will be a time in the future that Sinn Féin would win the majority share of votes in a Republic of Ireland national vote most people would view me as the village edjit to think that Sinn Féin would win the majority share of votes in a natinal vote

While there is talk of a possible Irish reunification being discussed it unlikely that Ireland would vote to leave the EU

As most people I have talked to in Ireland are divided into 2 camps

Camp 1 Irish reunification is worthwhile at any price even if it means paying higher taxes and having an overall lower living standard

Camp 2 Irish reunification is worthwhile but only if someone else pays for it (EU) and no additional taxes paid by the Irish are required and Irish reunification doesn't result in a fall of living standard  for the people of the Republic or Ireland

 

United Ireland would cost up to €30 billion a year and 'collapse north's economy'

The report says that if the Republic took on that cost it would cause a five to 10 per cent decrease in the standard of living in the Republic, with people in the north up to 20 per cent better off than the rest of the country.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2019/09/17/news/united-ireland-would-cost-up-to-30-billion-a-year-and-collapse-north-s-economy--1714127/

[vogie]

23 minutes ago, bannork said:

Yes, the British public have to suffer for a while to realize the folly of Brexit. And the EU wouldn't entertain entering talks unless there was clear consensus on the UK side about wanting to rejoin. 

And it would need a Labour government to propose re-entry.  

Dispite all the criticism from the liberal left the Tories are looking in their rear view mirror at Labour.

"How could a party so strategically inept, so institutionally racist, so anti patriotic and fiscally naive, with so few MPs that can string a sentence together possibly get within 6% of our government."#Paul Isherwood.

 

Maybe one day bannork you and some others will appreciate the work, the time and the effort that Boris and his team have put in to enable the wishes of the citizens of the UK. Thank god that the UK is still a democracy.

[Bluespunk]

13 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

40 years ago if I said there will be a time in the future that Sinn Féin would win the majority share of votes in a Republic of Ireland national vote most people would view me as the village edjit to think that Sinn Féin would win the majority share of votes in a natinal vote

While there is talk of a possible Irish reunification being discussed it unlikely that Ireland would vote to leave the EU

As most people I have talked to in Ireland are divided into 2 camps

Camp 1 Irish reunification is worthwhile at any price even if it means paying higher taxes and having an overall lower living standard

Camp 2 Irish reunification is worthwhile but only if someone else pays for it (EU) and no additional taxes paid by the Irish are required and Irish reunification doesn't result in a fall of living standard  for the people of the Republic or Ireland

 

United Ireland would cost up to €30 billion a year and 'collapse north's economy'

The report says that if the Republic took on that cost it would cause a five to 10 per cent decrease in the standard of living in the Republic, with people in the north up to 20 per cent better off than the rest of the country.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2019/09/17/news/united-ireland-would-cost-up-to-30-billion-a-year-and-collapse-north-s-economy--1714127/

I don’t believe I mentioned or touched upon Eire once more being a united nation.

 

I have no problem with the upturn in Sinn Fein’s political fortune, though again don’t believe I mentioned it. 
 

As to Erie’s trading position, doing just fine in the EU. As the polls I posted links to show most people agree. 

[bannork]

12 minutes ago, vogie said:

Dispite all the criticism from the liberal left the Tories are looking in their rear view mirror at Labour.

"How could a party so strategically inept, so institutionally racist, so anti patriotic and fiscally naive, with so few MPs that can string a sentence together possibly get within 6% of our government."#Paul Isherwood.

 

Maybe one day bannork you and some others will appreciate the work, the time and the effort that Boris and his team have put in to enable the wishes of the citizens of the UK. Thank god that the UK is still a democracy.

In the referendum only 37% of the electorate voted to leave the EU.

In the last election the Tories got 43.6% of the national vote, the same as Labour and the Liberal Democrats combined.

Due to the first past the post system the Tories won but in terms of actual votes, things were very equal.

The tide will turn as Brexit is seen to be such a bore.

[Surelynot]

15 minutes ago, vogie said:

you and some others will appreciate the work, the time and the effort that Boris and his team have put in to enable the wishes of the citizens of the UK.

Still making me laugh........brightens my day up no end.