China will 'eat our lunch,' Biden warns after clashing with Xi on most fronts

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1 minute ago, ctxa said:

 

How good to see that certain countries (ehem, the US) caring about Muslims (only those living in Xinjiang though). The Muslims living in Afghanistan, or Iraq are terrorist who posses "mass destruction" weapons and therefore they should invade their country, in the name of freedom.... Yep "Guantanamo Bay (in Cuba), Abu Ghraib, Camp Bucca,...." the true definition of personal freedom and NOT human rights abuses at all. If Voltaire was alive he himself would certify it 100%. 

 

Mate, you should see what some Chinese people say about what the US government does. If I told such things to any American citizen, he would laugh and say, what a load of commie propaganda bullsh**t.

 

Which is the exact same reaction Chinese people have when they hear those things about Xinjiang and Tibet. What a load of American bullsh**t. 

 

But at the end of the day, no side is able to province evidence to support neither side claims. I see some articles which provide what are supposed to be some papers signed by some CCP authority on what to do with Xinjiang reeducation camps, well, I could very well make one such paper right now with Photoshop. Then they interview some locals, which I can assure you that if Chinese media interviewed American citizens about life in the US they would also say very bad things. Because that is the essence of propaganda, and distorting things. And you will say Chinese are brainwashed by CCP propaganda, which sure it's true. But you yourself are also brainwashed by propaganda, however you will think you are not because you are convinced that it is the truth so you think it's those who think differently that are brainwashed.

 

After having grown up in Europe, then lived in China for many years, and having dealt with politicians from both sides constantly I can tell you they are all liars, they don't care about anything or anyone but themselves. Don't think it's only the Chinese politicians that are this way, every single one from every country. 

 

So bottom line is, neither life in the West is as bad as certain Chinese claim. Neither life in China is as bad as certain Western people claim. 

Nice try at deflection. This is not about what certain western govts say about Islam. This is about Chinese repression of the Uighurs. As for the rest, I'll go with public news sources and not the contentions of some anonymouos poster on thaivisa.com

[ctxa]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Nice try at deflection. This is not about what certain western govts say about Islam. This is about Chinese repression of the Uighurs. As for the rest, I'll go with public news sources and not the contentions of some anonymouos poster on thaivisa.com

 

Deflection?

 

Yes, you strongly believe the propaganda from one side. But it's nothing more than that. 

 

Others believe the propaganda from the other side. Nothing much can be done.

[tonbridgebrit]

11 hours ago, BKKBike09 said:

 

 

It would also be more accurate to say China has steadily lifted their people out of poverty while simultaneously emphasising the superiority of the Han culture to the detriment of all other indigenous cultures, and also exerting widespread controls over all aspects of their citizens private lives.

 

Cooperation is usually better than confrontation, but it is naive to assume that Chinese intentions in Asia-Pacific are altruistic and for the greater good of the region. 

 

But what's best for the Asia-Pacific nations ?  China or America ? 
And what are they choosing ?  Surely, Thailand does have freedom of choice. And surely, Thailand is actually choosing China ?   ????

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7 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

That he was lied about and crucified by the main stream media for 4 years in a relentless propaganda war?

It was so unfair to repeatedly report what he said. Maybe they should have channeled some of those mindreaders who supported Trump and claimed time and again that what he said is not what he meant.

[bangon04]

"Debt Trap Diplomacy"  - it is already working in asian countries. USA thinks it is immune so far because of great wealth......

[impulse]

34 minutes ago, bangon04 said:

"Debt Trap Diplomacy"  - it is already working in asian countries. USA thinks it is immune so far because of great wealth......

 

It's not the great wealth.  It's the fact that the debt is denominated in USD (or convertible to USD), which can be printed on a whim by the USA, but not by those Asian (and African) countries.

 

Not to mention the trillions of defaulted, but not forgotten, Chinese debt held by US citizens from long ago.  One stroke of the pen could offset those $$$ trillions owed to China in favor of the US holders of that old Chinese paper.

 

Edited February 12, 2021 by impulse

[bangon04]

5 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

It's not the great wealth.  It's the fact that the debt is denominated in USD (or convertible to USD), which can be printed on a whim by the USA, but not by those Asian (and African) countries.

 

Not to mention the trillions of defaulted, but not forgotten, Chinese debt held by US citizens from long ago.  One stroke of the pen could offset those $$$ trillions owed to China in favor of the US holders of that old Chinese paper.

 

so the USA will not be handing over a 99 year lease for Hawaii any time soon......

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5 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

It's not the great wealth.  It's the fact that the debt is denominated in USD (or convertible to USD), which can be printed on a whim by the USA, but not by those Asian (and African) countries.

 

Not to mention the trillions of defaulted, but not forgotten, Chinese debt held by US citizens from long ago.  One stroke of the pen could offset those $$$ trillions owed to China in favor of the US holders of that old Chinese paper.

 

Trillions?

The U.S. debt to China was $1.07 trillion in July 2020. 

https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-debt-to-china-how-much-does-it-own-3306355

[impulse]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Trillions?

The U.S. debt to China was $1.07 trillion in July 2020. 

https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-debt-to-china-how-much-does-it-own-3306355

 

They're selling down.  It used to be a lot higher.

 

And yes. 1.07 > 1.0  Which makes it plural.

 

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Just now, impulse said:

 

They're selling down.  It used to be a lot higher.

 

And yes. 1.07 > 1.0

 

1.07 trillion is not trillions

And as for it used to be a lot higher...really?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_the_United_States

https://ticdata.treasury.gov/Publish/mfhhis01.txt

[impulse]

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

1.07 trillion is not trillions

And as for it used to be a lot higher...really?

 

Peaked in 2011 at 1.3 T.    So yes, it was higher.  Higher in real dollars, much higher in inflation corrected dollars, and higher in the percentage of total US Treasury debt.

 

And they are selling down...

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-economy-treasury/china-may-dump-u-s-treasuries-as-sino-u-s-tensions-flare-global-times-idUSKBN25V179

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1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

Peaked in 2011 at 1.3 T.    So yes, it was higher.  Higher in real dollars, much higher in inflation corrected dollars, and higher in the percentage of total US Treasury debt.

 

And they are selling down...

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-economy-treasury/china-may-dump-u-s-treasuries-as-sino-u-s-tensions-flare-global-times-idUSKBN25V179

in 2021 that 2011 total of 1.3 T would be 1.51 T. So even in current dollars it was never trillions, was it?  Give it up.

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5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

in 2021 that 2011 total of 1.3 T would be 1.51 T. So even in current dollars it was never trillions, was it?  Give it up.

 

Whatever...

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies removed. 

 

[Jeffr2]

11 hours ago, ctxa said:

 

Deflection?

 

Yes, you strongly believe the propaganda from one side. But it's nothing more than that. 

 

Others believe the propaganda from the other side. Nothing much can be done.

Only one side spews propaganda. Hard not to considering there is NO freedom of the press. Unlike in the US. Which has freedom of the press, for better or worse. LOL

[PatOngo]

On 2/12/2021 at 5:42 AM, webfact said:

China will 'eat our lunch,'

And they'll just spit the bones on the floor under the table!

[joecoolfrog]

On 2/11/2021 at 10:30 PM, donnacha said:

Biden was an astonishingly bad choice of candidate, in a year when Covid all but guaranteed a Democrat win. You could have had Tulsi Gabbard. You could have had Andrew Yang. God help you, you could probably even have managed to get Bernie into office.

But, no. You picked Joe Biden. Well done. Well done everyone.

 

Well Biden is measured , sincere , efficient and responsible. He is not a self serving despot who screams insults and is prone to lying and tantrums.

Given your penchant for the later , it makes perfect sense that you disaprove of the former.

It must be frustrating to know that a competent president will further show what a lousy one preceded him .

[BKKBike09]

17 hours ago, ctxa said:

 

Well, I am sorry to say... 

 

But in China, any person who is not Han, gets a huge advantage in life over Hans. What is that advantage? They are exempt from much of the ferocious competition that Hans Chinese face during their career. Examples:

 

 - Non Hans get up to 10 extra points in Gao Kao (entrance exam) just for belonging to one of the minority ethnics. This 10 points literally could very well mean the difference between getting into a nice university or a "normal" one. (And of course in China when you graduate from a "nice" university your career chances skyrocket)

 

- Ethnic minorities can have as many kids as they want and they won't be fined. 

 

- Ethnic minorities can move their HuKou Ben (residence) to any city whenever they want. Whereas Hans are limited by their level of studies and their income to move their Hukou to certain cities (such as Shenzhen, Beijing, Guangzhou). And this of course, severely limits Hans careers, as not being able to transfer their Hukou to the city in which they want to work, basically means they can't work there (not able to buy a house, not able to school your kids in a public school - and private schools suck in China, and many other disadvantages). 

 

So not sure exactly about what you mean

 

 

I mean exactly what I said, namely that the Chinese government is manifestly "exerting widespread controls over all aspects of their citizens private lives". What you say simply confirms that.

 

It is not true that a Han citizen is limited to moving his/her hukou to 'certain cities'. Furthermore, it is often harder to move to the 'certain cities' you mention of Shenzhen, Beijing and Guangzhou. Add Shanghai and those are among the most desirable cities in which to live from perspective of career advancement etc. A young Han graduate would rather be in Shanghai than Zhengzhou. 

[BKKBike09]

13 hours ago, tonbridgebrit said:

But what's best for the Asia-Pacific nations ?  China or America ? 
And what are they choosing ?  Surely, Thailand does have freedom of choice. And surely, Thailand is actually choosing China ?   ????

Ni hao. No. Thailand chooses Thailand. Every time. And what's best for the Asia-Pacific nations is independence, political and economic. 

[John Drake]

16 hours ago, tonbridgebrit said:

Thailand is actually choosing China ? 

 

The generals certainly are doing so.

[ctxa]

3 hours ago, BKKBike09 said:

 

I mean exactly what I said, namely that the Chinese government is manifestly "exerting widespread controls over all aspects of their citizens private lives". What you say simply confirms that.

 

It is not true that a Han citizen is limited to moving his/her hukou to 'certain cities'. Furthermore, it is often harder to move to the 'certain cities' you mention of Shenzhen, Beijing and Guangzhou. Add Shanghai and those are among the most desirable cities in which to live from perspective of career advancement etc. A young Han graduate would rather be in Shanghai than Zhengzhou. 

Yes but it is not about taking freedoms away from the citizens. It is about managing a country with 1.4 billion people! You need the competition!

 

In China if your uncle has a criminal record they won’t allow you to work for the government and/or join the army, you may say, what is the relationship between you and what your uncle did? None. It’s just that there are so many people as much capable as you if not more for that position, that they find every small thing they can to make the people compete. 

I once heard about someone who wanted to join the army, in order to study at an army university, and was turned away because his cock was bigger than average ????????????

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1 hour ago, ctxa said:

Yes but it is not about taking freedoms away from the citizens. It is about managing a country with 1.4 billion people! You need the competition!

 

In China if your uncle has a criminal record they won’t allow you to work for the government and/or join the army, you may say, what is the relationship between you and what your uncle did? None. It’s just that there are so many people as much capable as you if not more for that position, that they find every small thing they can to make the people compete. 

This explanation makes no economic sense at all. China is a middle income country. It's economy is proportionate to its population. So while it has more people, it also has to have proportionately more jobs available. What's more, it's economy is growing quickly. If anything, demand for workers should be stronger than in other middle income nations where the economy is growing less quickly.

 

Anyway, clearly the system all about control. What do jobs have to do with denying people access to trains because they lack enough social credit points?

[NanLaew]

On 2/12/2021 at 1:54 PM, BangkokReady said:

Now watch Biden continue the same actions as Trump because he saw how successful they were, ...

 

Successful? By what metric are you measuring Trump's China policy as a success?

 

On 2/12/2021 at 2:43 PM, BangkokReady said:

 

Really?  As in, you can prove that if it was Hillary in power when covid came from China she would have handled it so much better?

 

That seems like quite a wild claim.

 

Not nearly as wild as your wildly off-topic deflection by introducing the concept of a president that never was to the debate.

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[NanLaew]

21 hours ago, ctxa said:

I was in Urumqi, capital of Xinjiang. Saw plenty of female locals…. 
 

Never been to Tibet though. 

 

I was in Bangkok, capital of Thailand. Saw plenty of female locals that weren't hookers....

 

Never been to Soi 4 though.

Edited February 13, 2021 by NanLaew

[ctxa]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

This explanation makes no economic sense at all. China is a middle income country. It's economy is proportionate to its population. So while it has more people, it also has to have proportionately more jobs available. What's more, it's economy is growing quickly. If anything, demand for workers should be stronger than in other middle income nations where the economy is growing less quickly.

 

Anyway, clearly the system all about control. What do jobs have to do with denying people access to trains because they lack enough social credit points?

 

Yes the demands for workers is also higher, but from PRIVATE COMPANIES which obviously don't have that big of competition standards. But the majority of the people want to work for the government (teachers, doctors, nurses, engineers, simple road maintenance workers, the list is endless...). And of course the government doesn't have that many jobs available for anyone, so competition is ferocious. The private sector doesn't have that much competition and so that's why unemployment rate is low in China. 

 

What you say about the trains makes no sense, and it has nothing to do with social credit points. What will prevent you from accessing high speed trains, and/or first/business class tickets in regular trains is, if you are put into the national blacklist. You can only be put into the national blacklist if you owe money to a licensed financial entity, they take you to court, and a judge upholds the fact that you owe them money. As a matter of fact, if you owe money to the bank, there are 2 options: 

 

 - 1. You can't pay for your own loans. So if you don't have money to pay back for your loans, how are you gonna have money to ride the expensive high speed trains or have enough money to access the first class seats in those trains? 

 

- 2. You got a loan, and decided not to pay it back, effectively scamming the private entity which offered you that loan. Won't that blacklist help as a deterrent for many people not to run those credit scams? 

 

If you pay your own loans or your credit card expenses back in time, you will never be in such blacklist and nobody will prevent you access to trains. That is of course, unless someone (perhaps family member) tricks you into signing papers which you don't even understand, that won't exempt you from responsibility to a loan, but that is also the same in the rest of the world.

 

Edited February 13, 2021 by ctxa

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, ctxa said:

Yes but it is not about taking freedoms away from the citizens. It is about managing a country with 1.4 billion people! You need the competition!

 

In China if your uncle has a criminal record they won’t allow you to work for the government and/or join the army, you may say, what is the relationship between you and what your uncle did? None. It’s just that there are so many people as much capable as you if not more for that position, that they find every small thing they can to make the people compete. 

I once heard about someone who wanted to join the army, in order to study at an army university, and was turned away because his cock was bigger than average ????????????

 

In the US, UK and probably a few other 'civilized countries, a potential employer does a credit check on a job applicant. This isn't necessarily for a job involved with finance either. It can be any job.

 

I would wager that in China, the amount of people with an uncle who has a criminal record is infinitely smaller than the amount of westerners with rubbish credit.

[Sujo]

Its nice to have an adult as president again.

 

US can now try and repair the relationships trump trashed and use collective pressure against china.

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1 hour ago, ctxa said:

What you say about the trains makes no sense, and it has nothing to do with social credit points. What will prevent you from accessing high speed trains, and/or first/business class tickets in regular trains is, if you are put into the national blacklist. You can only be put into the national blacklist if you owe money to a licensed financial entity, they take you to court, and a judge upholds the fact that you owe them money. As a matter of fact, if you owe money to the bank, there are 2 options: 

 

 - 1. You can't pay for your own loans. So if you don't have money to pay back for your loans, how are you gonna have money to ride the expensive high speed trains or have enough money to access the first class seats in those trains? 

 

- 2. You got a loan, and decided not to pay it back, effectively scamming the private entity which offered you that loan. Won't that blacklist help as a deterrent for many people not to run those credit scams? 

 

If you pay your own loans or your credit card expenses back in time, you will never be in such blacklist and nobody will prevent you access to trains. That is of course, unless someone (perhaps family member) tricks you into signing papers which you don't even understand, that won't exempt you from responsibility to a loan, but that is also the same in the rest of the world.

 

Really?

"By 2018, some restrictions had been placed on citizens which state-owned media described as the first step toward creating a nationwide social credit system.^{[27][28][29][10][30][31]} As of November 2019, in addition to dishonest and fraudulent financial behavior, other behavior that some cities have officially listed as negative factors of credit ratings includes playing loud music or eating in rapid transits,^[32] violating traffic rules such as jaywalking and red-light violations,^[33][34] making reservations at restaurants or hotels but not showing up,^[35] failing to correctly sort personal waste,^[36][37][38] fraudulently using other people's public transportation ID cards,^[39] etc; on the other hand, behavior listed as positive factors of credit ratings includes donating blood, donating to charity, volunteering for community services, praising government efforts on social media, and so on.^[40][41][42]

As of June 2019, according to the National Development and Reform Commission of China, 27 million air tickets as well as 6 million high-speed rail tickets had been denied to people who were deemed "untrustworthy (失信)" (on a blacklist), and 4.4 million "untrustworthy" people had chosen to fulfill their duties required by the law.^[43][44] "

Social Credit System - Wikipedia

[DoneTravelling]

On 2/12/2021 at 5:11 AM, RichardColeman said:

And China one word - dishonest

Just like the USA, UK and many other countries

[ctxa]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Really?

"By 2018, some restrictions had been placed on citizens which state-owned media described as the first step toward creating a nationwide social credit system.^{[27][28][29][10][30][31]} As of November 2019, in addition to dishonest and fraudulent financial behavior, other behavior that some cities have officially listed as negative factors of credit ratings includes playing loud music or eating in rapid transits,^[32] violating traffic rules such as jaywalking and red-light violations,^[33][34] making reservations at restaurants or hotels but not showing up,^[35] failing to correctly sort personal waste,^[36][37][38] fraudulently using other people's public transportation ID cards,^[39] etc; on the other hand, behavior listed as positive factors of credit ratings includes donating blood, donating to charity, volunteering for community services, praising government efforts on social media, and so on.^[40][41][42]

As of June 2019, according to the National Development and Reform Commission of China, 27 million air tickets as well as 6 million high-speed rail tickets had been denied to people who were deemed "untrustworthy (失信)" (on a blacklist), and 4.4 million "untrustworthy" people had chosen to fulfill their duties required by the law.^[43][44] "

Social Credit System - Wikipedia

 

 

Mate, don't mix the Credit Score you get on financial apps like Alipay with 失信黑名单（Blacklist）

 

Only a judge can put you into that blacklist, and only when you owe money to a legally licensed financial entity. Everything else is something either twisted in purpose, misunderstood, or a half truth. 

 

Thing such as playing loud music, eating in rapid transits will worsen your so called Social Score, but that WILL NEVER prevent you from riding trains or booking flights.

 

Read properly, and read more.