1 hour ago, ugghuggh said:

https://www.verywellhealth.com/pfizer-vaccine-prevents-covid-transmission-5116193

 

That is reassuring, a 94% effectiveness on asymptomatic transmission.

However, that still leaves 6% and the question remains, is it sensible to bring in potentially infectious people from overseas to mingle with a largely unvaccinated local population ?

 

The Thai government has misjudged their exit strategy from this crisis, the only rational way to open up borders again (if tourism is seen as important..) is after a comprehensive local vaccination program, which they have been extremely poor at implementing. 

 

Many countries still have fully locked borders and have banned or made it very difficult for citizens to go overseas anyway.

 

Therefore, I honestly can’t see any meaningful numbers of international tourists in Thailand until some point in 2022.

9 hours ago, connda said:

They have just significantly reduced their pool of potential tourists. 
They can't get out of their own way in their rush to completely destroy tourism in this country for the next five to ten years if not for good. 
Roadblock after roadblock after roadblock. 

"Oh, tourist will come flocking back to Thailand!"
Ahhhh, no.  They won't.

How much will it take for many people around this world, to accept, that presently greater number of Tourism simply cannot happen without bringing and spreading the virus with its variants of mutations into a country. See what happens all over Europe ????

Without doubt it will be years if ever again the world can open  to Mass Tourism as we knew prior to Covid-19. 

 

Please note:

Australia and New Zealand , which is practically "Covid-19" free, doesn't open up to Tourism either. 

14 minutes ago, caulfield2 said:

What is BIBP?

 

On my vaccine "receipt" for the second dosage April 23rd, it refers to it as "VERO."

 

I know that Sinovac has two different vaccines as well, so not sure if Thailand is approving one or both.

 

On my receipt it says Beijing Bio which is the 'Beijing Bio-Institute of Biological Products', or BIBP. This is one of the Sinopharm vaccines with the other, which seems to have fallen by the wayside, being produced by the 'Wuhan Institute of Biological Products'.

 

The estimated WHO approval date for BIBP is April 2021 ????

Do these idiots actually understand that the vaccines only protect the recipient against developing serious or life-threatening symptoms of Covid, they don't necessarily stop you from becoming infected by the SARS-COV2 virus and transmitting it to others, both vaccinated and unvaccinated?

8 hours ago, champers said:

Sputnik not taken off in Thailand which means Russians can still come but will have 10 days quarantine instead of 7. Is that 3 extra days a big enough deal to put them off coming?

 

No. Seven days is enough. People do NOT go on holiday to spend some of it in quarantine. Something that the Thai government STILL doesn't understand.

4 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Hopefully all this complete and utter nonsense will be over by October !

Which year? 

14 minutes ago, Jurg said:

How much will it take for many people around this world, to accept, that presently greater number of Tourism simply cannot happen without bringing and spreading the virus with its variants of mutations into a country. See what happens all over Europe ????

Without doubt it will be years if ever again the world can open  to Mass Tourism as we knew prior to Covid-19. 

 

Please note:

Australia and New Zealand , which is practically "Covid-19" free, doesn't open up to Tourism either. 

Australia and New Zealand are nanny states that mollycoddle their citizens and impose layers of rules and regulations on everything. The world needs to start living again as soon as possible. As someone stuck in Australia, I can hardly wait for the opportunity to get out. Problem is that caution and bureaucracy have set back the vaccine rollout by many months in Australia. 

10 minutes ago, Guderian said:

Do these idiots actually understand that the vaccines only protect the recipient against developing serious or life-threatening symptoms of Covid, they don't necessarily stop you from becoming infected by the SARS-COV2 virus and transmitting it to others, both vaccinated and unvaccinated?

The chance of getting it and transmitting it is significantly lowered. Maybe countries like Australia and New Zealand can stay locked doen indefinitely but a country like Thailand cannot.  Even without the vaccine it is 10 days vs 7 days.

If they do open up in October, and stick with the 'within the last 16 days' rule then all those vaccinated between niw and mid Seotember will not qualify! Absolute lunacy

2 hours ago, JCCR6 said:

Most of the vaccines don’t stop you carrying the virus, they just make you asymptomatic. The local population isn’t vaccinated, so seems there is a huge failure in logic here. 

Shuuuuuush! Or you'll not be invited to my party! 

 an original paper "OR" a print-out of an online vaccine certificate, ???????????????????????? really ? A print-out of an online certificate .

So it seems having the vaccine means the person is ok but I thought the virus can stay on clothes and  stuff for long time.so I person could bring it in...

15 hours ago, YetAnother said:

a classic thai screwup in the making; anything in this country with a supply chain of more than one is doomed to third world inefficiency; note the thai  attempts at bureaucracy

a moving target if there ever was one...

22 minutes ago, biggles45 said:

If they do open up in October, and stick with the 'within the last 16 days' rule then all those vaccinated between niw and mid Seotember will not qualify! Absolute lunacy

It says no less than, so you have to have the vaccine more than 14 days before travel.

16 hours ago, Pottinger said:

Next question, what will constitute an acceptable proof of vaccination when there is currently no systematic certification in many countries, and no globally accepted documentation beyond the old yellow book, which can be easily counterfeited.

Why ask when the answer is in the OP

 

Anyone who is unable to provide a valid vaccine certificate, an original paper or a print-out of an online vaccine certificate, to the International Port Health Control at the port of arrival will be required to undergo 10 days of quarantine.

34 minutes ago, Spock said:

Australia and New Zealand are nanny states that mollycoddle their citizens and impose layers of rules and regulations on everything. The world needs to start living again as soon as possible. As someone stuck in Australia, I can hardly wait for the opportunity to get out. Problem is that caution and bureaucracy have set back the vaccine rollout by many months in Australia. 

EU are the drama Queens of bureaucracy and posturing, if they just forgot about trying to get one over on UK and got on with it, they would be steaming through their own vaccination program, but it seems that slagging off and blaming the UK for their vaccination issues along with the EU in country fighting more important than some petty vaccination program... .. "Let them eat cake"!!!

What's the point? Vaccinate and still have to quarantine for 7 days, or not vaccinate and quarantine for 10 days? 3 days different. How does one prove to the satisfaction of the authorities when and which vaccine was given? One assumes the 14 days is the number of days since the last required injection to be 'fully vaccinated'.

So you have been vaccinated, you come to Thailand as an average tourist and have 7 days quarantine, spend your remaining week mingling with unvaccinated people then return to your home country to go back into quarantine? Yea thats gonna work ????????

When will this country start letting competent people, that understand the world, into decision making positions of power? I  know...I know.....its just a pipe dream. The reason why these RIDICULOUS propositions just keep being churned out year after year is the same reason I still need 20,000 copies of the passport for immigration that I gave them the week before....NOTHING changes. Its such a pity as I teach some very bright people...many of the wrong skin color or from families with nothing though.....one day...maybe one day.

What about the fit to fly, Covid insurance etc? Does everything remain the same in regards to the paperwork?

9 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Not to worry.  Just the 7 day quarantine will knock out 95% of genuine tourists.  The ones who take their precious vacation days and head off for a couple of weeks to spend their money like there's no tomorrow.  

People will look at the list of requirement to enter Thailand, compare them with the ease of traveling elsewhere, and go where it is the most economic and the least hassle.
Thailand has thrown a litany of regulations, restrictions, roadblock with attached expenses that simply make coming here a total pain in the derriere.  The elitist ministers look at the past normal and think foreigners will be beating on the doors to enter, therefore they can do what they do so well - make it difficult.  What they don't envision (probably because Thais are culturally not forward planners) is the New Normal landscape where potential tourists are already hampered from traveling by their own countries, most have limited time to tour on a limited budget, and as such they will choose travel locations that are the least hassle for the best value.  Right now given what Thailand is throwing in front of all potential tourists?  They can't compete with other tropical countries which currently have open border policies to facilitate tourism.

 

Thailand - you are not alone in this equation! Vaccines or no vaccines!

 

The world, after more than a year of confusion, misinformation, governments bad management, thoughts of manipulation of the facts to protect themselves against criticism, new surges, corona variants, vaccine issues, quarantine, airlines, and so it goes on.

 

Currently, this world is in a state of flux. The people are still confused, they are scared, they are not sure what is around the next corner. Can they even get home after going anywhere abroad?

 

Thailand: Even if you removed ALL restrictions now to pre-covid times, I doubt there will be enough tourists to make any meaningful impact.

And even if there were many tourists, Thailand is not prepared to provide for them as most tourist areas are bereft of businesses.

 

Come on Thailand, see the situation for the way it is.

 

 

16 hours ago, Pottinger said:

Next question, what will constitute an acceptable proof of vaccination when there is currently no systematic certification in many countries, and no globally accepted documentation beyond the old yellow book, which can be easily counterfeited.

That is literally stated right there in the OP, immediately before your post:

 

"a valid vaccine certificate, an original paper or a print-out of an online vaccine certificate"

9 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Not to worry.  Just the 7 day quarantine will knock out 95% of genuine tourists.  The ones who take their precious vacation days and head off for a couple of weeks to spend their money like there's no tomorrow.  

Happy Holiday season elsewhere.... Frankly tired of the griping by expats. Either come or not. Up to You  

2 hours ago, mrfill said:

The entire continent of Africa reported just over 22000 new cases yesterday. To put that in perspective, it is less than any one of Poland, France, Italy or Germany.

What's you point?  The requirement is not about the Wuhan virus.  The purpose is to keep Africans out of Thailand. 

16 hours ago, Pottinger said:

Next question, what will constitute an acceptable proof of vaccination when there is currently no systematic certification in many countries, and no globally accepted documentation beyond the old yellow book, which can be easily counterfeited.

I hate to be Captain Obvious, but this whole global dog and pony show regarding "vaccine passports" will spawn an equally immense and profitable black market in paper and digital certificates.  The beauty of greed and nationalism and the distrust of global neighbor of global neighbor is that they'll never put together a one-world database that works seamlessly across borders.  Everybody protects their own turf, especially Thailand.  Yeah, they talk about global, one-world solutions, but man being man - people don't get along well enough to make that a reality.  Hell, just look at the UK and the EU.  The US and Russia/China.  Nobody is going to work together.  So, black markets will thrive.

26 minutes ago, connda said:

People will look at the list of requirement to enter Thailand, compare them with the ease of traveling elsewhere, and go where it is the most economic and the least hassle.
Thailand has thrown a litany of regulations, restrictions, roadblock with attached expenses that simply make coming here a total pain in the derriere.  The elitist ministers look at the past normal and think foreigners will be beating on the doors to enter, therefore they can do what they do so well - make it difficult.  What they don't envision (probably because Thais are culturally not forward planners) is the New Normal landscape where potential tourists are already hampered from traveling by their own countries, most have limited time to tour on a limited budget, and as such they will choose travel locations that are the least hassle for the best value.  Right now given what Thailand is throwing in front of all potential tourists?  They can't compete with other tropical countries which currently have open border policies to facilitate tourism.

 

So no.  Average tourists will not flock here with the exception of possibly tourists from China and maybe India.  Then they'll get a handful of hi-so international tourists who are neither encumbered by time or money, but who will never fill-in the gap in sheer numbers of tourists in comparison to pre-Covid "Normal."  Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.  If I was in the US and had a two or three week vacation, given the hassle to enter Thailand?  I'd go elsewhere.  I wouldn't even consider Thailand.  Too much time, energy, and expense for too little value.  I'd head for Mexico or destinations south or possibly southern Europe.  And I have friends in the US who used to come here annually.  They have no plans to return under the current restrictions. 
Then, add a requirement to wear a tracking device like a criminal and they can just start pounding the nails into the coffin holding their previous incarnation of their tourism industry.  When it reincarnates into the New Normal, it won't look anything like it did before. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

 an original paper "OR" a print-out of an online vaccine certificate, ???????????????????????? really ? A print-out of an online certificate .

 

What a genius idea!!))   No counterfeiter could ever bypass this high level of security 

 

It would take someone with a computer and a printer to break through this wall of steel.

1 hour ago, realfunster said:

That is reassuring, a 94% effectiveness on asymptomatic transmission.

However, that still leaves 6%

I'm not sure what you mean by, "that still leaves 6%."

 

Efficacy refers to the risk to a vaccinated individual of contracting CoVid-19, if exposed to the virus.

 

So each individual who has been vaccinated, has a 94% reduced risk of becoming infected.

 

It does not mean that 6% of people entering the country, who have been vaccinated, will have CoVid-19.

 

See a fuller explanation in the video below, starting at 2m 20s:

 

https://youtu.be/K3odScka55A