THE WEEK THAT WAS The year long Phony War is over - unless you’re a pandemic denier

[Britman Free]

RE: Flu There's a cool article on the Guardian from 2017titled 

"Ministers lose fight to stop payouts over swine flu jab narcolepsy cases"

 

"Six million people in Britain, and more across Europe, were given the Pandemrix vaccine made by GlaxoSmithKline during the 2009-10 swine flu pandemic, but the jab was withdrawn after doctors noticed a sharp rise in narcolepsy among those who received it.

 

The sleep disorder is permanent and can cause people to fall asleep dozens of times a day. Some narcoleptics have night terrors and a muscular condition called cataplexy that can lead them to collapse on the spot."

 

I'm sure 'lessons were learned' and these emergency vaccines are much better though ????

 

 

 

 

[VBF]

3 minutes ago, Britman Free said:

Is that the same BBC who are under the control of a Government who's members and donors are personally profiting from this 'emergency'.

Is it that BBC?

The one that reports on the alleged Govt members and donors whose (not who's)  members and donors are personally profiting from this 'emergency'.

Get a grip, man!

[jerolamo]

3 minutes ago, VBF said:

The one that reports on the alleged Govt members and donors whose (not who's)  members and donors are personally profiting from this 'emergency'.

Get a grip, man!

thank you to correct the form of other non-tongue English language writers. but can you also concentrate yourself on the content ? That would help you to undersdtand why and how you are a victim and trust some untrustable people. Or maybe you don't want to ? Do you feel afraid with something ?

Edited April 25, 2021 by jerolamo

[VBF]

4 minutes ago, jerolamo said:

it is wrong.

Has i told you before, you are the victim of commercial propaganda origins.

You should consider to read and listen to the one who are implicated and specialist (not expert) in the domain of concern and, all of them, said that it is not just administrative points, but much more. On genetic product (that people call vaccine and that is not), there is specificaly 6 points missing to be able to trust a very new edge product in science.

And let me tell you than BBC documentary are very bad one, if it is your source of information, then you should be able to understand very soon if you are realy as hmble as you pretend to be why you are this victim.

Inform yourselves. there is a great book you can start to read: "fabrication of consent" (Noam Chomsky), and maybe "Propaganda" (Edouard Bernay). That should instruct you about our new world of influences and how does it  works for convince you without you really know anything.

Noam Chomsky does make a few good points but none relevant to this discussion.

 

Regarding the BBC documentary I mentioned - I actually know one of the scientists working on that team which is why I'm so in favour of promoting it. A very good friend is a retired Civil Servant who was involved in medical trials back in the day. It was he who told me about the time-wasting that usually goes with such trials.

A man i know personally and can trust.

 

[CharlieH]

Bickering removed.

[johnnybangkok]

Just now, jerolamo said:

i can not see any insult. Sure he should offer some argument, i agree, but there is no insult.

Trust me he is. It;s just more snide that you can see.

[gunderhill]

8 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

I suppose you are happy with complete freedom of speach for everyone so you'll be happy with ISIS, the KKK, paedophiles

Yes , yes  I am  happy  with them spouting their  <deleted> and their right to do it, because there's a  difference between spouting it and physically doing it, and thats the difference you fail to recognise.

[jerolamo]

Just now, VBF said:

Noam Chomsky does make a few good points but none relevant to this discussion.

 

Regarding the BBC documentary I mentioned - I actually know one of the scientists working on that team which is why I'm so in favour of promoting it. A very good friend is a retired Civil Servant who was involved in medical trials back in the day. It was he who told me about the time-wasting that usually goes with such trials.

A man i know personally and can trust.

 

yes, it is relevant to teach you why your source of informations build yourself as a victim of their propaganda.

It is just what i'm tazlking to you... can you choose to consider it as it is ?

So again, when you are speaking about BBC documentary to be your source, you just burried your own hole where you are falling inside. There is absolute zero credibility to trust stupid BBC documentary. And compared with most efficient actors scientist that work in genetic sciences, BBC doc is a very bad source to compare with.

So can you CHOOSE to consider seriously what a serious source can be ? Or do you decide to fallow a lazy way to infomr you in front of stupid BBC doc sources ?

[Morty T]

10 hours ago, rooster59 said:

It’s time not just to rid social media of such people but for governments to look at making it a crime to say such things, a bit like some nations have laws to rein in Holocaust deniers

Sounds like someone needs their own safe space from all those Meanies's out there that don't agree with whatever the prevalent winds are blowing. 

[jerolamo]

2 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Trust me he is. It;s just more snide that you can see.

do i have absolutely to trust you ?

So then the problem start at this point exactly. Because not only i don't have to... but i should better not have to trust anyone else to.

[jimbob123]

Let's be honest. No one here has any clue other than what they have read elsewhere and are regurgitating. Dave from Eltham - really you don't know. Pete from Southend - you too. You haven't any training or education in this whatsoever. 

[VBF]

8 minutes ago, jerolamo said:

yes, it is relevant to teach you why your source of informations build yourself as a victim of their propaganda.

It is just what i'm tazlking to you... can you choose to consider it as it is ?

So again, when you are speaking about BBC documentary to be your source, you just burried your own hole where you are falling inside. There is absolute zero credibility to trust stupid BBC documentary. And compared with most efficient actors scientist that work in genetic sciences, BBC doc is a very bad source to compare with.

So can you CHOOSE to consider seriously what a serious source can be ? Or do you decide to fallow a lazy way to infomr you in front of stupid BBC doc sources ?

You didn't actually bother reading the post to which you responded, did you?

I explained my source of information....the very scientists you told me to ask... I quote "I actually know one of the scientists working on that team...."

Edited April 25, 2021 by VBF

[Britman Free]

13 minutes ago, jimbob123 said:

Let's be honest. No one here has any clue other than what they have read elsewhere and are regurgitating. Dave from Eltham - really you don't know. Pete from Southend - you too. You haven't any training or education in this whatsoever. 

Great point.  I'm in Surrey, UK (one of the epicentres of this global killer and home of the deadly 'UK Strain')

I ask most people if they know anyone who's ???? been hospitalised or died from Covid.

No one I've spoken with knows anyone apart from my mate's mum whose ????  neighbour was in intensive care.  Being curious, I asked if the rest of his family were OK.  They were.  With a bit more prying I found out he was mid 60s, obese and diabetic.   Whodathunkit?

 

Official Government numbers show that in my town of 80,000, 244 have covid on their death certificate and 192 died within 28 days of a positive test (in 14 months of a killer pandemic epidemic disaster).

 

Just cos you read it on the internet don't make it so. 

Ask your friends and family back in the west about all the people they personally know who've died from covid. 

If you're slow on the uptake, you might be suprised by what they tell you ????

 

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[gamb00ler]

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[VBF]

17 minutes ago, Britman Free said:

Great point.  I'm in Surrey, UK (one of the epicentres of this global killer and home of the deadly 'UK Strain')

I ask most people if they know anyone who's ???? been hospitalised or died from Covid.

No one I've spoken with knows anyone apart from my mate's mum whose ????  neighbour was in intensive care.  Being curious, I asked if the rest of his family were OK.  They were.  With a bit more prying I found out he was mid 60s, obese and diabetic.   Whodathunkit?

 

Official Government numbers show that in my town of 80,000, 244 have covid on their death certificate and 192 died within 28 days of a positive test (in 14 months of a killer pandemic epidemic disaster).

 

Just cos you read it on the internet don't make it so. 

Ask your friends and family back in the west about all the people they personally know who've died from covid. 

If you're slow on the uptake, you might be suprised by what they tell you ????

 

Just on a point of order......   there is no "Deadly UK strain".

There is a strain of Covid that was discovered here in UK because UK is better at the science. Small but important distinction.

 

Also, I have been banging on for months about the differences between dying OF Covid and dying WITH Covid.

IMO it's wrong that in UK anyone who dies within 28days of a +ve Covid test is declared as dying OF it - a friend of mine was sent home from hospital with terminal cancer - the docs could do no more for him sadly. Because he was Covid +ve, that was what went on his death cert.

 

As you  said "Just cos you read it on the internet don't make it so."

Also in Surrey, btw

Edited April 25, 2021 by VBF

[NorthernRyland]

8 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

What about Sweden? Even their own Prime Minister admitted they got it wrong https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-admits-coronavirus-strategy-underestimated-strenght-virus-lofven-stefan-2020-12

 

 

Yeah they failed horribly. A massive 1.5% all cause excess mortality in 2020. ????

 

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/excess-mortality-across-countries-in-2020/

[Britman Free]

2 minutes ago, VBF said:

Just on a point of order......   there is no "Deadly UK strain".

There is a strain of Covid that was discovered here in UK because UK is better at the science. Small but important distinction.

 

Also, I have been banging on for months about the differences between dying OF Covid and dying WITH Covid.

IMO it's wrong that in UK anyone who dies within 28days of a +ve Covid test is declared as dying OF it - a friend of mine was sent home from hospital with terminal cancer - the docs could do no more for him sadly. Because he was Covid +ve, that was what went on his death cert.

 

Also in Surrey, btw

 

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=ltla&areaName=guildford

Wikipedia shows Gford as having a population of 80K 

 

Dying *OF* seems to be an internet / TV phenomenon (FEAR sells)

 

Average UK life expectancy = 81

Average age of UK Covid Victim = 82 

 

????

 

Anyway, the suns out so I'm off for an ice cream in the park ????

 

[impulse]

25 minutes ago, jimbob123 said:

Let's be honest. No one here has any clue other than what they have read elsewhere and are regurgitating. Dave from Eltham - really you don't know. Pete from Southend - you too. You haven't any training or education in this whatsoever. 

 

And I'd add that the fat lady hasn't even warmed up yet, much less sung.

I'm one of those deplorables who doesn't deny the pandemic, but I sure wonder whether the reaction hasn't done more damage than the actual disease. 

 

For example, is it wise to shut down restaurants and bars while the wet markets are doing a booming business?  Is it wise to shut down cashed up tourism while the borders are open to destitute workers from Laos and Burma?  Millions have gone broke, but has anyone really been protected long term as opposed to a few month's reprieve before the inevitable?

 

It'll be years (if ever) before we know the answers.  In The USA where $$ billions are spent to keep records, there are states with kids in school for months, while other states have their schools shut down.  Is there a difference in Covid deaths?  Same with lockdowns.  Some states, counties and cities had severe lockdowns, while others had minimal interference.  What was the effect on the respective economies and did the severity of the lockdowns correlate with better pandemic results?

 

Just like Thailand, we need to see the back end of the pandemic before we really know all the answers.  And Thailand isn't even close to the tail end of this thing.  Won't be for years at the rate they're (not) rolling out the jabs.

 

[n210mp]

I always found your rather extreme "opinions" interesting Rooster but now I simply feel so disappointed with your absolute drivel about freedom of speech that I will not be "reading "you again!

 

Your "opinions" on Conspiracy theorists are not what has upset me too much

(you are allowed, in my opinion, to have an opinion ) but your advocating even more draconian  measures  against freedom of opinion and speech for anyone else disagreeing with your opinion,   is not welcome by me or any sensible person !   

[The Hammer2021]

2 hours ago, Joinaman said:

very good, but this is about Thailand isn't it ?

But the vast majority of deaths, in Thailand, are from people with underlying health problems

Yes, just like many other illnesses, there are some people who are supposedly young and fit, yet succumb to this virus 

The underlying health condition is a red herring because most of have one knowingly or not.  But people with UHC are getting on fine with their life until covid kills them. And it is Covid  that kills them. If 3 people with underlying  health conditions, who work, play travel and live a  decent  life get on a plane that crashes and kills them they died  because of the plane crash not UHC. If the same three people contract covid and died they died because of covid not UHC. Their plane crash event was covid. With people all over the world damaged by smoking, diet. obesity its difficult  to find any adults in some countries that don't have UHCs. 

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

The underlying health condition is a red herring because most of have one knowingly or not.  But people with UHC are getting on fine with their life until covid kills them. And it is Covid  that kills them. If 3 people with underlying  health conditions, who work, play travel and live a  decent  life get on a plane that crashes and kills them they died  because of the plane crash not UHC. If the same three people contract covid and died they died because of covid not UHC. Their plane crash event was covid. With people all over the world damaged by smoking, diet. obesity its difficult  to find any adults in some countries that don't have UHCs. 

Yes, exactly.

So many people are using that excuse to promote the idea that this pandemic isn't serious.

It's like they're devaluing the "others" just because they have an existing condition.

Another example, old age, say 80 years, for example.

People don't usually die of just old age. 

It's usually a specific disease process like cancer, heart disease, Alzheimers, or yes the flu or Covid-19. 

[jerolamo]

56 minutes ago, VBF said:

You didn't actually bother reading the post to which you responded, did you?

I explained my source of information....the very scientists you told me to ask... I quote "I actually know one of the scientists working on that team...."

so... sorry about that. I thank you denied something there. Now you agree that BBC documentary is a fake source of any news ? good point then. stop to look at these false documentaries then.

[Britman Free]

12 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes, exactly.

So many people are using that excuse to promote the idea that this pandemic isn't serious.

It's like they're devaluing the "others" just because they have an existing condition.

Another example, old age, say 80 years, for example.

People don't usually die of just old age. 

It's usually a specific disease process like cancer, heart disease, Alzheimers, or yes the flu or Covid-19. 

The reaction to covid is extremely serious but the virus isn't

 

Average UK life expectancy = 81

Average age of UK covid victim = 82

 

Let's be honest: No one on here knows anyone who's died OF covid

& probably don't know anyone who knows anyone who's died OF covid

 

It's the Big Foot of viral diseases

 

[VBF]

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes, exactly.

So many people are using that excuse to promote the idea that this pandemic isn't serious.

It's like they're devaluing the "others" just because they have an existing condition.

Another example, old age, say 80 years, for example.

People don't usually die of just old age. 

It's usually a specific disease process like cancer, heart disease, Alzheimers, or yes the flu or Covid-19. 

Just to play devil's advocate @Jingthing and @The Hammer2021 what about the situation like a friend of mine who at 72 had terminal cancer and was sent home to die because the doctors could do no more for him. At some stage he became Covid +ve and that was what went on his death cert, not advanced cancer. But the doctors were certain that it was the cancer that killed him and in fact had only given him a limited time to live because of it.

How can you be so sure that it was Covid that killed him? 

[Jingthing]

 

2 minutes ago, VBF said:

Just to play devil's advocate @Jingthing and @The Hammer2021 what about the situation like a friend of mine who at 72 had terminal cancer and was sent home to die because the doctors could do no more for him. At some stage he became Covid +ve and that was what went on his death cert, not advanced cancer. But the doctors were certain that it was the cancer that killed him and in fact had only given him a limited time to live because of it.

How can you be so sure that it was Covid that killed him? 

This is a common game people are playing to suggest there is massive fudging on death certificates. Obviously there can be ambiguities and multiple factors on such matters, but the plandemic brigade are always going on with the B.S. about people being run over with a car but with Covid so recorded as a Covid death. Come on man!

[VBF]

4 minutes ago, jerolamo said:

so... sorry about that. I thank you denied something there. Now you agree that BBC documentary is a fake source of any news ? good point then. stop to look at these false documentaries then.

No you uncomprehending individual!

The scientist who featured in the documentary are the same ones I am acquainted with! That validates the BBC documentary to me as genuine not fake!!!!!!

That is why I believe that documentary totally - the hard-working scientists who feature in it are known to me. Get it now?????

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Britman Free said:

But everyone dies of Covid now.  It's ALLL Covid!

I don't understand why people can't understand

The TV said so!

Hardly but in many countries it has become a major cause of death. 

[jimbob123]

46 minutes ago, VBF said:

Just on a point of order......   there is no "Deadly UK strain".

There is a strain of Covid that was discovered here in UK because UK is better at the science. Small but important distinction.

 

Also, I have been banging on for months about the differences between dying OF Covid and dying WITH Covid.

IMO it's wrong that in UK anyone who dies within 28days of a +ve Covid test is declared as dying OF it - a friend of mine was sent home from hospital with terminal cancer - the docs could do no more for him sadly. Because he was Covid +ve, that was what went on his death cert.

 

As you  said "Just cos you read it on the internet don't make it so."

Also in Surrey, btw

In your opinion? But who are you? A well regarded medical professional? Or just some retired guy from Surrey? 

[VBF]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

 

This is a common game people are playing to suggest there is massive fudging on death certificates. Obviously there can be ambiguities and multiple factors on such matters, but the plandemic brigade are always going on with the B.S. about people being run over with a car but with Covid so recorded as a Covid death. Come on man!

Hey back up.... I am not one of the plandemic brigade. I believe Covid is real and that it can affect anyone, despite certain categories being more vulnerable. I have also had my first shot and wear a mask when required.

 

What I am saying is that someone in UK decided that anyone dying with Covid must have died of Covid and that is just not true and each case should be treated individually..

[jerolamo]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Hardly but in many countries it has become a major cause of death. 

which countries ?

Do you care about the official death number by year ?

Sure there is something with the COVID, and still older and fragile ones are a target as all the time it was and it will, but actually, it is difficult to compare with a hi death pandemic historic killer virus.

 

I can also very well understand the fear of older and fragile ones, but i can not agree with a kind of panic reaction (as i am not fragile too and i have an other one life that shown me  saddest kind of thing) or binaries mind thinking production. 

 

The major problem is to get enough bed in reanimation, and sure, that should occur some high level decision that can occur restrictive things, but it should be measured too (and much more in countries where they has been deleted due to efficiency business story time as mine as they removed a lot... now big problem ! Isn't it the real story time under the jacket ?). I can also not agree with opportunities that can be for business to be with kind of expensive and irrelevant medications

that exist in some places (and i'm not talking about vaccine here).