Pregnant woman, 32, confirmed as one of 11 deaths from COVID-19

[richard_smith237]

6 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

As far as I know, posts that deny Covid, anti-vaxxers, conspiracy theories are not allowed on this forum.  To the best of my knowledge Thaivisa does allow free speech but has its limits. In the case of posts conating covid denials and anti-vaccine messages, I believe they are banned because of the damage they can do through potential influence.

 

The poster I am refering to is sailing very close to the wind with his comments. In my opinion he has tried to get his point across (covid denial) by not directly stating such a position - although it is clear to me what his underlying message is.

 

I am not in a position to block him or delete his posts - that is the job of the moderators but just as you say he is entitled to free speech, that also applies to me calling him out on his veiled message doesn't it?

 

You may note that in his subsequent posts, the subject member has not denied what he was getting at.

 

 

Jonathan Fairfield reported that an investigation into her death is on going. He also mentioned that all other victims had pre-existing health conditions. 

 

Thus, Sundown mentioning the potential for comorbidity is not a conspiracy or ‘covid denying’ its response to a natural skepticism due the vague reporting of Covid-19 figures and statistics. 

 

It would be interesting and helpful to know if this lady sadly passed as a direct result of complications due to Covid-19 (i.e. cytokine storm, respiratory failure etc) or, if Covid-19 tipped her over the edge with an existing serious illness - it seems not. 

 

One standout issue: Gestational diabetes is not uncommon in pregnant ladies, Covid-19 seems to impact those with diabetes more severely and diabetes is often quoted as pre-existing health condition / comorbidity. 

 

But, in this case (of Gestational diabetes) influenza or a high temperature would not give cause for severe or life threatening complications. 

 

Thus: the questions many may ask are valid - Did Covid-19 actually kill the person or did it just ’tip the scales’ - the reporting of Died ‘with Covid-19’ (rather than because of or complications due to) has always been criticised for this purpose. 

 

That criticism doesn’t make a covid denier, it makes someone skeptical of the information being reported because of the vague language being used by those reporting the figures. 

 

IMO those who use this ‘vague language’ are accountable for some of the scepticism some have regarding the statistics we read. 

 

 

 

 

On 4/25/2021 at 2:10 PM, Jonathan Fairfield said:

She reported a high fever and a cough on April 8, tested positive for the virus on April 15 and died on April 23. An investigation into her death is ongoing.

 

The other victims all had pre-existing health conditions, including obesity, diabetes, gout, high blood pressure, hyperlipidemia and chronic kidney disease.

 

Edited April 26, 2021 by richard_smith237

[KhaoYai]

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

That criticism doesn’t make a covid denier, it makes someone skeptical of the information being reported because of the vague language being used by those reporting the figures. 

His original comment was very similar to those made by Covid deniers. Since then he's had the opportunity to explain if he indeed meant something entirely different.  He has replied and didn't take that opportunity.

 

In my opinon, his original comment was a veiled Covid denial but you are perfectly entitled to your views.

[robblok]

20 hours ago, Sundown said:

Why not get me to walk with a star on the chest , burn a serial number on my skin and put me in a shiny friendly re-education center? 

 

Ps: in 2016 the mortality rate in Delhi spiked by +11%. That's way worse then Corona. Did you pray for Delhi in 2016? 

 

 

No a big tattoo with fruitcake liar on your arm would be ok. Maybe lock you up in a padded room. I mean that is what they do with the mentally ill. I mean an opinion is based on fact. What you have is a delusion and no amount of facts will help. Just a padded room medicine. Maybe one day your alternate vision of reality can be cured. 

[Danderman123]

21 hours ago, Sundown said:

 

 

Ps: in 2016 the mortality rate in Delhi spiked by +11%. That's way worse then Corona. Did you pray for Delhi in 2016? 

 

 

Your internet friends who sent you that figure didn't bother to tell you that Delhi is a fast growing, large city. From 2015 to 2016, the population grew by a million people. So, yeah, deaths went up.

 

A leading cause of excess deaths in Delhi is air pollution. If there were only a way to convince people in Delhi to wear face masks.

Edited April 27, 2021 by Danderman123

[Sundown]

13 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Your internet friends who sent you that figure didn't bother to tell you that Delhi is a fast growing, large city. From 2015 to 2016, the population grew by a million people. So, yeah, deaths went up.

 

A leading cause of excess deaths in Delhi is air pollution. If there were only a way to convince people in Delhi to wear face masks.

 

My internet friend is a government source, result n°1 on Google. 

 

The death RATE, being a RATE, is weighted. So I want to ask again, if you minded about Delhi in 2016 or you just care about them now because it's cool to be a covid warrior in every situation?

 

Again, the news says her death is being investigated. So, sorry covid fans/warriors!

 

 

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, Sundown said:

 

My internet friend is a government source, result n°1 on Google. 

 

The death RATE, being a RATE, is weighted. So I want to ask again, if you minded about Delhi in 2016 or you just care about them now because it's cool to be a covid warrior in every situation?

 

Again, the news says her death is being investigated. So, sorry covid fans/warriors!

 

 

Very sad about Delhi deaths due increased air pollution. If only they would wear face masks. 

[KhaoYai]

17 hours ago, Sundown said:

The death RATE, being a RATE, is weighted. So I want to ask again, if you minded about Delhi in 2016 or you just care about them now because it's cool to be a covid warrior in every situation?

 

Mr. Bolsonaro, the situation in Dehli currently is No.1 in the UK news. The hospitals are full - so are the cemeteries. People are dying in ambulances, on the streets and in their homes.  As I said earlier, you people manipulate figures to suit your beliefs. But the one thing your manipulation falls down on is the fact that deaths from other types of disease don't stop just because there's a Pandemic.

 

I suppose countries like the US and the UK are sending urgent supplies to India for a laugh right?

 

I'm not prepared to argue with you on the point because I've been down that road before and I've learned that members of the Flat Earth Society are immovable. But, take a look at the news yourself - no doubt you will say its all made up - fake news!  The ambulances and cemeteries are actually part of a movie set and the dead bodies are all actors.

 

Another thing that conspiracy theorists do is to dis reputable news sources when they go against their beliefs.  The BBC for example, is well resptected worldwide for its fact checked news reports.  Yet in conversations I've had with deniers, they suddenly claim the BCC (and any other news source that goes against them) is biased, full of lies and promotes fake news.  It would therefore be interesting to hear your comments on the report on the BBC today that says it is now widely believed that the actual figures on deaths in Dehli are several times higher than those currently being reported.

 

Thankfully your views are very much in the minority - most people have a brain that actually works.

 

Have you found the edge of the world yet? Careful you might fall off.

Edited April 28, 2021 by KhaoYai