PM asked to reconsider dine-in ban on eateries in Thailand’s COVID-19 Deep Red Zones

[shackleton]

32 minutes ago, Xonax said:

I strongly disagree with you. The zoning approach is the only way to go, because in the deep red zones all hospitals are full. Your way would only work, in zones with plenty of available hospital beds and personel.

What we are seeing now is, that trying to save turism in Phuket and Samui seems to be more important, than getting people in the deep red zones vaccinated as soon as possible. One could be lead to wonder, how many of the countrys ministers and other VIP´s are owning hotels and resorts in Phuket and Samui.

Totally agree there seems to be more priority given to Tourist areas instead of where the main probloms are with the Corivirus 

Ie the old sick and people working in hospitals trying to protect the vulnerable 

[cardinalblue]

Why should I be able to play golf in CM 1 hour drive within province but not play golf 45 min drive to Lamphun....these artificial boundaries are not common sense....group provinces together so size is involved as many people travel back and forth for commerce every day with adjacent provinces...

 

open the restaurants with common sense....many noodle shops and small outdoor restaurants are being killed b/c they are not allowed their continual flow of 2-4 customers at any one time....safe distancing and masks are fine for the majority of these restaurants..

 

larger indoor restaurants should be capped at a number given sq meter dimensions and safe distances...need to apply common sense to restaurants...large seafood type restaurants or hotel dining might not work within safety criteria...you just don’t close everything down b/c clusters and gatherings are creating infections not spaces where you have 1-4 customers wanting to eat...

 

yet we can go into rimping or Tops and there are 30 people running around....craziness

Edited May 3, 2021 by cardinalblue

[Mr Meeseeks]

22 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

Thailand should do nation wide T cell tests to determine how may Thais even CAN get infected and have bad outcomes. So far despite multiple outbreaks they haven't even gotten within 10% of the road fatalities (which they live with year after year) so it's entirely likely that their immune systems are familiar with these SARS family corona viruses.

They are only testing limited numbers mate, nothing special about Thai immune systems in fact HIV was, and still is to an extent, rampant here. 

[Mr Meeseeks]

10 minutes ago, cardinalblue said:

Why should I be able to play golf in CM 1 hour drive within province but not play golf 45 min drive to Lamphun....these artificial boundaries are not common sense....group provinces together so size is involved as many people travel back and forth for commerce every day with adjacent provinces...

 

open the restaurants with common sense....many noodle shops and small outdoor restaurants are being killed b/c they are not allowed their continual flow of 2-4 customers at any one time....safe distancing and masks are fine for the majority of these restaurants..

 

larger indoor restaurants should be capped at a number given sq meter dimensions and safe distances...need to apply common sense to restaurants...large seafood type restaurants or hotel dining might not work within safety criteria...you just don’t close everything down b/c clusters and gatherings are creating infections not spaces where you have 1-4 customers wanting to eat...

 

yet we can go into rimping or Tops and there are 30 people running around....craziness

 

Feudal lords are responsible for their own clan territories here.

[Gandtee]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Well at the pace of the vaccine program.here herd immunity is a very long way off.

Perhaps herd shouldn't apply in Thailand.  Flock is more appropriate  as its citizens are treated like sheep.

[law ling]

56 minutes ago, Henryford said:

Why can't they at least offer dine out. In Thailand that would be no problem, quite nice to eat outside. In the UK they are eating in the cold and rain.

 

Correct. Close off half the street and let the restsurants put their tables outside.

[brianthainess]

1 hour ago, Henryford said:

Why can't they at least offer dine out. In Thailand that would be no problem, quite nice to eat outside. In the UK they are eating in the cold and rain.

Dinning out is seen often here, on the curb outside 7/11, alcohol is available too, CP will have even bigger profits.

[johnarth]

well that is that, more same same the general is in full control we must all wait for his words of wisdom as he is the only one that knows all

[Travel Dude]

6 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

I do not think restrictions are the issue. The issue is the never ending length of restrictions and being unable to plan positively for the end of them as you have no end date for return to normality.

 

 

Covid outbursts and clusters  has no dates. We all need to chip in to try and reduce the spread of Covid. 

And finally only vaccination will do the trick.

[Khun Hansi]

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

There is already such a dine in ban in Chonburi province! 

Reading correctly educates! This is about lifting that ban...

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, Khun Hansi said:

Reading correctly educates! This is about lifting that ban...

Yes I know. Already acknowledged. No need to repeat ad nauseum.

[Surelynot]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

 ad nauseum.

English only please....555

[connda]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

The Association of Thai Restaurants has called on Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha, in his capacity as the CCSA chief, to reconsider the two week dine-in ban on all eateries in Bangkok, Chiang Mai, Nonthaburi, Pathum Thani, Chon Buri and Samut Prakan, which took effect Saturday.

Malls - Essential - Open

Restaurants - Essential - "Please open them PM!"

Schools - Non-essential - <Where are the advocates for the future of children>

This entire three-ring circus is a farce.
It's not meant to stop a regional epidemic.  It's all for show.  Actual remedies for shutting down the spread are not implemented (close down ALL the venues where virus can spread or else open ALL the venues where the virus can spread).  But "Cherry-Picking" what is "essential" and what is not?  It's completely political and all political decisions should be outright rejected and banned during a declared "Health Emergency".

Gawd.  Khun Gung and her Hi-So friends can go shop at Siam Paragon for new Gucci handbags and the newest Hermès face-masks to add to their collection.  Her kids, an after-thought, though are at home with the nanny and playing in the back-yard fully masked against any errant SARS virus blowing in the wind that survives the UV sunshine and copious amounts of fresh air.  Yep, adults can congregate in Malls as the Well-To-Do Thais are not a vector for SARS virus transmissions (and their poop smells like roses too).  The kids?  If they are allowed to study together mum, dad, and granny will die for sure. 

In the meanwhile, train service is stopped in the name of SARS.  Yep, those third class carriers where all the windows need to be put down to keep from cooking inside the train as large volumes of air roll through the carriages making it an unlike vector for viral transmission.  Instead?  People pack into sealed vans and buses where their is A/C and no air circulation.  Yep - much safer.

Cherry Picking "essential services" based on politics, not any science or rationale.  Yes.  This all is one massive farce.  Time to get real - but that ain't going to happen <cherry picking continues unabated>.
 

[Gary Shields]

Hawaii is in a similar situation as thailand as they live on tourists coming. They have learned how to check people before entering. You can’t come in unless you had a Covid test and another when you enter. The bars and restaurants that did not close for good are all open and packed with social distance. People are coming from everywhere as it’s a safe beautiful place to enjoy a vacation. Restaurants have more outside dining. They have very few Covid cases since opening back up.

[Nanaplaza666]

7 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I can't see much of a domino effect affecting farmers...people are still gonna the same amount of food, just not while dining in. It does severely affect restaurant workers, however. 

And owners , the amount will be the same but people will fall back to their known places so it does hit many restaurants as well . 

[tomazbodner]

What's the point of enforcing mask wearing outside, then allowing people to take them off inside?

 

I think dining in restaurants should be banned until this is under control. At the same time I think that enforcing masks outside, in parks for instance, is madness. Saying you need to have mask on within 2m of other people regardless where you are would make more sense. Indoors (and poorly ventilated) places should be focused on, as that's where majority if not all of the infections likely came from.

[connda]

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes I know. Already acknowledged. No need to repeat ad nauseum.

 

5 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

English only please....555

"To the point of nausea."  Much of English is based on Latin and Latin phrases are part and parcel of the English language.  Crack open an English language dictionary and you'll find "ad nauseum."
Try expanding your vocabulary.  Review the Reader's Digest "Word Power" feature monthly.  You'll expand your mind.

[Surelynot]

2 minutes ago, Gary Shields said:

Hawaii is in a similar situation as thailand as they live on tourists coming. They have learned how to check people before entering. You can’t come in unless you had a Covid test and another when you enter. The bars and restaurants that did not close for good are all open and packed with social distance. People are coming from everywhere as it’s a safe beautiful place to enjoy a vacation. Restaurants have more outside dining. They have very few Covid cases since opening back up.

Sound advice......but........the fly in the ointment here are the land borders......particularly Myanmar and the insatiable desire for cheap labour.......(combined with the usual corruption at the borders).

[Surelynot]

3 minutes ago, connda said:

 

"To the point of nausea."  Much of English is based on Latin and Latin phrases are part and parcel of the English language.  Crack open an English language dictionary and you'll find "ad nauseum."
Try expanding your vocabulary.  Review the Reader's Digest "Word Power" feature monthly.  You'll expand your mind.

You don't do humor I take it?

[Mr Meeseeks]

10 minutes ago, connda said:

Cherry Picking "essential services" based on politics, not any science or rationale. 

What do you expect from buffoons with an average IQ of 80?

 

They are chucking darts at the board now to see which ones stick. 

[connda]

1 minute ago, tomazbodner said:

What's the point of enforcing mask wearing outside, then allowing people to take them off inside?

It flies in the face of reason doesn't it.  Perhaps it's because the SARS virus flies above people's heads but is repelled by a magical force that surrounds the tables and all chairs that don't have a "X" placed on them with duct tape.
In my humble opinion.  Shut them all down.  Malls, restaurants, everything except parks and beaches and places to purchase food to take back home. Shut down everything where people congregate including work and government offices.  Shut it all down for two weeks.
But no.  The government will Cherry Pick. 
Massage closed - Barbers open.
Schools closed - Malls open.
Gyms closed - Government offices open.
Trains closed - Buses open.
Soon: Bars closed - Inside dining open.
Fun closed - Not fun open.

[phetphet]

2 hours ago, Sticky Rice Balls said:

My thai buddy who owns a successful bubble tea shop messaged me today as its the first time ive seen him mad...

 

He and others its seems, have had enough of the PM and his decisions......as I rarely see my friend get angry--the thai thing and all....

 

The regular thai folks are having a hard time and just trying to get by.....and it seems the big boys want to control a uncontrollable pandemic...

Well it seems to be the big boys who either don't follow, or think  themselves above following the rules that have caused this latest lockdown, with their partying.

[Surelynot]

Indian variant detected in Malaysia.........better get that vaccine rolled out Uncle...........festinare commodo

[connda]

12 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Sound advice......but........the fly in the ointment here are the land borders......particularly Myanmar and the insatiable desire for cheap labour.......(combined with the usual corruption at the borders).

And the same in all countries whose government's allow porous borders <wink wink nod nod> in order to satisfy their domestic corporations and private enterprises demands for "under the table" cheap labor.  And of course the wealthy need their dirt cheap maids, servants, and ground-keepers.  Thailand is not unique in this respect, but they will suffer the consequences in the long run.

[connda]

16 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

What do you expect from buffoons with an average IQ of 80?

 

They are chucking darts at the board now to see which ones stick. 

I like that analogy.  Very fitting!  ????

[Tracyb]

Supplying vaccines to the population in these areas and doing it QUICKLY may assist in curbing the problem.  

[connda]

19 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

You don't do humor I take it?

# humor_on
print "Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!"
# humor_off

[Expat Tom]

Dude! It all about the "POWER"! It makes no difference what country we are talking about, Thailand, England, the USA, Colombia, China....the leaders will use ANY excuse to grab power from the people. Once power is taken, it is not easily given up. They will find another boogie man - excuse- to control people. The sole purpose of government is coercion. How many of these stupid laws and edicts ....not just in Thailand but worldwide....would you follow if you were not  coerced to do so by big brother and the club he wields. The concept of a sovereign man is long dead, that is if it ever existed in the first place. 

[Crok]

There is no gain without pain in this case. Look at the problems in the USA and India. A huge number of deaths because of lax attitudes. Let us do it right and support the authorities on this- not give way to public opinion!

[kennw]

There are examples where hard decision lockdowns work, Australia, New Zealand. And when as little as one case arises they lockdown again. Zero cases in both countries now and tourist and general flights permitted between the countries without quarantine. Economy is moving again. Here the Songkran travel period was a disaster and now we are paying the price both in money and lives. Relaxing regulations now is not the way to go the reverse is more appropriate. Had there been a much better vaccine policy and innoculation program effort we would be far better off than we are now and people would have been more inclined to accept lockdowns when flare ups occurred. The whole thing has been a fiasco and heads should roll.