‘Vaccine hesitancy’ bites in Thailand – but one province has the antidote

[heybruce]

9 hours ago, Been There said:

So once again ... all these reports are lies .... All these people have given statements and interviews and you declare they are false ... well done
I don't need any chances from you ! who do you think you are ? 

So if you apply the same logic .... people dying after the vaccine, are just natural deaths ... people dying with covid are just natural deaths  Which would greatly reduce the covid death figures worldwide, as vast majority have been the elderly. You can't have it both ways !

 

Why would prominent and well respected professors and doctors be willing to destroy their status and career's, just for fun ? Or maybe because they have some concerns as to what is happening. They certainly have nothing to gain from this, they have over 1000 doctors worldwide who are asking questions, so have been banned from the MSM.
I think they are better qualified than Mr Gates, who seems to be dictating the worlds health policy and hasn't got any medical qualifications .but seems to have a lot of people including yourself supporting this friend and associate of a paedophile
He's already stated with vaccines, he get a 20/1 return on his investments.
This group of very experienced medical professionals have actually lost a lot of money trying to explain their views … but the associate of a paedophile Gates. stands to make billions of dollars. I think I would rather trust the medical professionals over Gates but I'm sure your full support is behind the official government and paedo associate Bill Gates. ... birds of a feather and all that....

Next you will be telling me governments don't lie and would never work together for the enrichment of the few !
 

Gates return on vaccine investment - YouTube
The Secret History Of Bill Gates And Jeffrey Epstein - YouTube

This is just 3 of the people very well qualified to have their opinions heard.

Dr Mohammad Iqbal Adil
MB BS . FRCSEd. FRCSI
Consultant General,
Laparoscopic & Colorectal Surgeon
Bachelor of Medicine
Bachelor of Surgery
Fellow of Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh
Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons Ireland
Chief Organiser & Founder Global Nishtarians Organisation

Dolores Cahill, Professor, received her degree in Molecular Genetics from Trinity College Dublin (1989) and her PhD in Immunology from Dublin City University in 1994. She was group leader of the Protein Technology Group in the Max-Planck-Institute of Molecular Genetics, Berlin, Germany (1996-2003) She co-founded a biotechnology company, Protagen AG (www.protagen.de) in Dortmund to commercialise this technology. Since 2005, she is Professor of Translational Science at the UCD School of Medicine and Medical Sciences. 

 

Andy Kaufman, M.D. is a natural healing consultant, inventor, public speaker, forensic psychiatrist, and expert witness. He completed his psychiatric training at Duke University Medical Centre after graduating from the Medical University of South Carolina, and has a B.S. from M.I.T. in Molecular Biology. He has conducted and published original research and lectured, supervised, and mentored medical students, residents, and fellows in all psychiatric specialities. He has been qualified as an expert witness in local, state, and federal courts. He has held leadership positions in academic medicine and professional organizations. He ran a start-up company to develop a medical device he invented and patented.

• Clinical Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, SUNY Up-state Medical University

• Vice President, Psychiatry Faculty Practice Corporation, SUNY Upstate Medical University

• Medical Director of Faculty Practice, SUNY Up-state Medical University

• Assistant Director, Forensic Psychiatry Fellowship, SUNY Up-state Medical University

• Consulting Expert Witness, Syracuse University Law School

• Medical University of South Carolina, Doctor of Medicine

• Massachusetts Institute of Technology, BS in Biology

American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology Board Certification in Psychiatry and Forensic Psychiatry (2011)

• SUNY Upstate Medical University, Fellowship in Forensic Psychiatry

• Duke University School of Medicine, Resident in Psychiatry 

Oh ... my ex wife died, ill within hours, died after 8 days ... also my brother who was very fit, is unable to walk after the vaccine. 
I have friends all over the world UK USA Canada Australia New Zealand Finland Sweden Spain Thailand Vietnam  .... I know of 1 person testing positive for covid, with no symptoms. I know nobody who has died !

 

A colorectal surgeon, a psychiatrist and one immunologist.  Is that it?

 

I checked the immunologist and found this:  https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/scicheck-irish-professor-makes-unfounded-claims-about-long-term-effects-of-mrna-vaccines/

 

If you don't understand the difference between anecdotal and empirical evidence I can't help you.  I can give you a hint--one can find ample evidence that "investing" in lottery tickets will make one rich, but the empirical evidence shows otherwise.

 

I won't waste time on your YouTube videos.  I suspect they misrepresent Bill Gates claim that a $10 billion investment in vaccines results in a $200 billion benefit to society.   https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/23/bill-gates-turns-10-billion-into-200-billion-worth-of-economic-benefit.html

 

Labeling Bill Gates a crooked profiteer and a paedophile based on YouTube videos will get you in trouble.

Edited May 20, 2021 by heybruce

[heybruce]

9 minutes ago, Been There said:

Banned on you tube  .... wake up !

YouTube banned a video with a thoroughly discredited message about vaccines?  Good.

[heybruce]

5 minutes ago, Been There said:

Who fact checks the fact checkers ? ....  The fact checkers are the biggest con on the internet!
It is reported in the MSM .... I didn't for one minute think you would go against Bill Gates ... like I said  ... birds of a feather .....

The fact check states that there is no medical evidence to support Dr Cahill's claims.  Do you have medical evidence that supports her claims?  Does Dr Cahill have such evidence?  If not, I agree with the fact checkers.

 

I'm not a fan of Bill Gates.  I'm also not a fan of gross misrepresentation and unproven accusations.  Bill Gates claimed that every dollar invested in vaccines returns $20 in societal benefits.  You grossly misrepresented that.  Conspiracy theorists who lack facts do that sort of thing.

[heybruce]

1 minute ago, Been There said:

It's not discredited it's someone else's professional view  ... it's people like you who enable fascism 
Weak minded, brainwashed, none thinking TV satellite dish fitter... claiming to be something your not ...... accusing everyone else of lying ..... what an absolute joke you are. 
Stick with your hero Mr Gates .... I'm sure you've got a lot in common.

Do you deny that there was a massive second wave of Covid after the claims there would be no second wave, one that saw deaths peaking at over 4000 a day?

[meechai]

On 5/18/2021 at 1:57 PM, Been There said:

Tell me ...how many people do you know has died of covid ?

 

It is funny how insane people have become over this social media tracked virus

It is as if all reason & logic has gone right out the window

 

I just said in another post

 

1- a 99.5% survivable virus

 

2- Those that think the vaccine is a lifeboat are in for disappointment

 

3- Reason & logic has gone right out the window with this first ever Social Media linked virus

 

Lastly look at the facts.....as of yesterday  3.4 million Covid Deaths worldwide & we know that number is padded

with every coffin dodging multi problem patient who also caught covid...but fine lets use that 3.4 million fact

 

The world population is what? 7.9 BILLION? Get your calculators out & use some reason & logic to calc what is

3.4 million from 7.9 BILLION....Now Calm the heck down....what this social media circus has shown is there are so many

people in this world I would not want to be around in an emergency.

 

[Been There]

3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Do you deny that there was a massive second wave of Covid after the claims there would be no second wave, one that saw deaths peaking at over 4000 a day?

Wait and see what happens next !

[johng]

47 minutes ago, meechai said:

The world population is what? 7.9 BILLION? Get your calculators out & use some reason & logic to calc what is

3.4 million from 7.9 BILLION....

 

Around 0.04% 

[Jeffr2]

On 5/19/2021 at 5:44 AM, heybruce said:

I give you credit for digging up a lot of conspiracy theory websites. 

 

You rely heavily on something called "Health Impact News".  An organization of scientists debunking false medical claims, Health Feedback  https://healthfeedback.org/https://healthfeedback.org , routinely rates their claims as unsupported or misleading  https://healthfeedback.org/outlet/health-impact-news/. 

 

Since Health Feedback is used by the World Health Organization https://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/initiative/communication/network/healthfeedback/en/  and is given a rating of "Very High" in factual reporting by Media Bias/Fact Check https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/health-feedback/ it is safe to disregard anything from Health Impact News.

 

I didn't bother checking all of your sources, just enough to determine that none seem to be credible.  Do you have any substantiation from credible news sources?  Or should we take your list as confirmation of your fondness for conspiracy theories?

 

Are you now prepared to defend your nonsensical posts:

 

"All countries are using the same criteria for compiling covid deaths. "   https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1216849-‘vaccine-hesitancy’-bites-in-thailand-–-but-one-province-has-the-antidote/page/3/#elControls_16480451_menu

 

and:

 

"If the vaccine works, how would an unvaccinated person pose a risk to a one that's been vaccinated ?"   https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1216849-‘vaccine-hesitancy’-bites-in-thailand-–-but-one-province-has-the-antidote/page/2/#elControls_16475240_menu

 

 

Don't reply to posts like this.  Just use the report function and let the mods deal with it.  They do a great job of removing these types of posts. 

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, Been There said:

Who fact checks the fact checkers ? ....  The fact checkers are the biggest con on the internet!
It is reported in the MSM .... I didn't for one minute think you would go against Bill Gates ... like I said  ... birds of a feather .....

and I said .. there is over 1000 doctors involved  ... but you don't f^^^kin bother to read

You've fallen for the fake news conspiracy theories.  Sad.  You won't find any reliable information on social media sites nor in dodgy videos on dodgy websites.  Stunning some fall for this.

[bunnydrops]

Dr Mohammad Iqbal Adil

https://english.jagran.com/world/pakistaniorigin-doctor-iqbal-adil-coronavirus-conspiracy-theory-licence-suspended-10013332

Dolores Cahill,

https://www.thejournal.ie/debunked-dolores-cahill-covid-19-video-masks-lockdown-vaccines-5315519-Jan2021/

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, meechai said:

 

It is funny how insane people have become over this social media tracked virus

It is as if all reason & logic has gone right out the window

 

I just said in another post

 

1- a 99.5% survivable virus

 

2- Those that think the vaccine is a lifeboat are in for disappointment

 

3- Reason & logic has gone right out the window with this first ever Social Media linked virus

 

Lastly look at the facts.....as of yesterday  3.4 million Covid Deaths worldwide & we know that number is padded

with every coffin dodging multi problem patient who also caught covid...but fine lets use that 3.4 million fact

 

The world population is what? 7.9 BILLION? Get your calculators out & use some reason & logic to calc what is

3.4 million from 7.9 BILLION....Now Calm the heck down....what this social media circus has shown is there are so many

people in this world I would not want to be around in an emergency.

 

How did you come up with a 99.5% survival rate when most countries are admitting they are under reporting cases and deaths?  Doesn't make sense.  But it's a number primarily used by covid deniers.

[Rimmer]

A post containing some misleading or suspect links has been removed

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, meechai said:

 

It is funny how insane people have become over this social media tracked virus

It is as if all reason & logic has gone right out the window

 

I just said in another post

 

1- a 99.5% survivable virus

 

2- Those that think the vaccine is a lifeboat are in for disappointment

 

3- Reason & logic has gone right out the window with this first ever Social Media linked virus

 

Lastly look at the facts.....as of yesterday  3.4 million Covid Deaths worldwide & we know that number is padded

with every coffin dodging multi problem patient who also caught covid...but fine lets use that 3.4 million fact

 

The world population is what? 7.9 BILLION? Get your calculators out & use some reason & logic to calc what is

3.4 million from 7.9 BILLION....Now Calm the heck down....what this social media circus has shown is there are so many

people in this world I would not want to be around in an emergency.

 

The global Covid death toll of 3.1 million is a gross undercount, not an overcount.  Using excess death numbers and other factors leads to a 95% confidence death toll between 7.1 and 12.7 million. https://www.economist.com/briefing/2021/05/15/there-have-been-7m-13m-excess-deaths-worldwide-during-the-pandemic

 

Infection and mortality numbers from countries that have reliable records show a mortality rate between 1% and 2%.  Data from the UK shows that approximately 14% of those infected who survive suffer from "long covid".  https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2021/04/29/researchers-are-closing-in-on-long-covid

 

Vaccines have been shown to be effective and very safe.  They are the only way Thailand and other countries are going to open up.  They are also the only way intelligent people will go on planes, cruise ships, sporting events, etc.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Been There said:

Wait and see what happens next !

What's happening now is that countries that are making good progress with vaccinations using approve western vaccines are see significant declines in Covid cases and deaths.

[heybruce]

1 minute ago, Been There said:

Ok ..show me the long term data and you'll have to rule yourself out if only intelligent people can travel ...

 

The numbers I've used and the sources I referenced use current data.  What long term data are you looking for?

[Jeffr2]

33 minutes ago, heybruce said:

The numbers I've used and the sources I referenced use current data.  What long term data are you looking for?

Conspiracy theorists never use factual data.  Only dodgy data from dodgy sources.  Not sure why they fall for the conspiracy theories, but impossible to have intelligent conversations with them. Sadly!!

[sqwakvfr]

"Meanwhile, vaccination campaigns are underway in major provinces with offers of prizes to motivate people to have the jabs.

In Phon district of Khon Kaen, those who have had the shots are eligible for a draw for gold necklaces.

Kittichote Triamvutthikrai, the municipality mayor, said many people are enthusiastic about the vaccination programme and wanted to be part of it. Many locals will be inoculated with the AstaZeneca vaccine starting in July."

 

I wonder how many necklaces are up for grabs?  In New York City the Great Mayor DeBlasio said if you get vaccinated then you can get a bag of Shake Shack french fries(chips in other parts of the world). 

 

"incentives"??? Why are they needed to get people vaccinated?  

 

 

[Jeffr2]

23 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

"Meanwhile, vaccination campaigns are underway in major provinces with offers of prizes to motivate people to have the jabs.

In Phon district of Khon Kaen, those who have had the shots are eligible for a draw for gold necklaces.

Kittichote Triamvutthikrai, the municipality mayor, said many people are enthusiastic about the vaccination programme and wanted to be part of it. Many locals will be inoculated with the AstaZeneca vaccine starting in July."

 

I wonder how many necklaces are up for grabs?  In New York City the Great Mayor DeBlasio said if you get vaccinated then you can get a bag of Shake Shack french fries(chips in other parts of the world). 

 

"incentives"??? Why are they needed to get people vaccinated?  

 

 

Because many fall for the conspiracy theories. Some don't have the time to take off work. Great idea to offer incentives!

[sqwakvfr]

"Because many fall for the conspiracy theories. Some don't have the time to take off work. Great idea to offer incentives!"

 

 I enjoy a great Tom Clancy or Nelson DeMille novel but we live in the real world.  Vaccines and medicines can save lives.  Heck I usually get a flu shot every year and at best it is 50 to 60 % effective.  

The only vaccines I will not take are the Chinese or Russian vaccines because there appears to be very limited data on both.  Both of these vaccines could be very effective but I just do not have faith in them.  Others will disagree.  I would prefer to take Pfizer, Moderna or J&J.  All three are available without an appointment at pharmacies in my old neighborhood in Los Angeles County.  

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, sqwakvfr said:

"Meanwhile, vaccination campaigns are underway in major provinces with offers of prizes to motivate people to have the jabs.

In Phon district of Khon Kaen, those who have had the shots are eligible for a draw for gold necklaces.

Kittichote Triamvutthikrai, the municipality mayor, said many people are enthusiastic about the vaccination programme and wanted to be part of it. Many locals will be inoculated with the AstaZeneca vaccine starting in July."

 

I wonder how many necklaces are up for grabs?  In New York City the Great Mayor DeBlasio said if you get vaccinated then you can get a bag of Shake Shack french fries(chips in other parts of the world). 

 

"incentives"??? Why are they needed to get people vaccinated?  

 

This is a great idea; Thai people love a lottery.  People who may have been ambivalent or were inclined to put the vaccination off will probably jump at this.  The downside may be some people trying for multiple vaccinations.