Popular Post webfact Posted May 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2021 by Mette Larsen Thailand’s Supreme Court has cleared Andy Hall, Finnwatch human rights researcher of all charges, bringing an end to a years-long lawsuit against him, media YLE reports. Andrew Jonathan Hall or just Andy Hall is a migrant worker and labor rights activist and researcher, formerly based in South East Asia. In early 2013 he was sued by Natural Fruit Company following the publication of the Finnish civil organization Finnwatch’s report “Cheap Has a High Price”. Natural Fruit supplied in 2012 pineapple juice raw materials to Finnish retail chains and the report from 2013 revealed serious human rights violations at the company’s plant in Thailand. Full story: https://scandasia.com/thai-court-clear-finnwatch-human-rights-researcher-of-all-charges/ -- © Copyright ScandAsia 2021-05-13 - Whatever you're going through, the Samaritans are here for you - Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pattaya Spotter Posted May 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2021 It only took the Thai legal system 8 years to do the right thing. 18 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rampant Rabbit Posted May 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said: It only took the Thai legal system 8 years to do the right thing. A record compared to the road building fiasco case then, was it 20 years , so far, and how's the gold mining case going? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Rabbit Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 I wonder has this actually done anything for migrant workers rights in Thailand? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Neeranam Posted May 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2021 If you mess with Chinese Thai businesses, be prepared to pay. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Excel Posted May 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Rampant Rabbit said: I wonder has this actually done anything for migrant workers rights in Thailand? They have no rights in the eyes of those that use their labour and a government that facilitates it. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterBaker Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 why not throw human rights group a bone, since he done a runner anyways 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post worgeordie Posted May 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2021 1 hour ago, MasterBaker said: why not throw human rights group a bone, since he done a runner anyways I would have done a runner too, been locked up in a Thai prison, when you did nothing wrong,only trying to help workers that were been abused. regards worgeordie 18 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Rampant Rabbit said: I wonder has this actually done anything for migrant workers rights in Thailand? None. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post darksidedog Posted May 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2021 In my opinion, it is the Thai defamation laws which should be under the microscope. That telling the truth about a matter can see you imprisoned is just ludicrous. 15 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JCauto Posted May 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2021 4 hours ago, Rampant Rabbit said: I wonder has this actually done anything for migrant workers rights in Thailand? Yes, you're right. Better to do nothing at all, sweep it under the carpet and just hope that it magically fixes itself, correct? That's the true path of righteousness. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 42 minutes ago, darksidedog said: That telling the truth about a matter can see you imprisoned is just ludicrous. You have to prove it is true and not simply an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post topt Posted May 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2021 41 minutes ago, darksidedog said: In my opinion, it is the Thai defamation laws which should be under the microscope. That telling the truth about a matter can see you imprisoned is just ludicrous. Agreed and similar view to that espoused by a Finnwatch director in the linked article - Quote “Thailand should ensure that its legislation is amended so that similar harassment through the courts is no longer possible,” Sonja Finér added. Unfortunately I do not see it happening any time soon.......???? 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post joebrown Posted May 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2021 45 minutes ago, VocalNeal said: You have to prove it is true and not simply an opinion. I think you need to read deeper into the subject of Thai Defamation Laws. Even proving something is true will not keep you from being sued for defamation. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, MasterBaker said: why not throw human rights group a bone, since he done a runner anyways Can’t say I would have blamed him. Doing the right thing can be seriously harmful your health. However in this case he left after the Supreme Court had dismissed the criminal charges against him. https://www.frontlinedefenders.org/en/case/criminal-civil-cases-against-andy-hall He still faced the danger that the harassment would continue and left to avoid this. Edited May 13, 2021 by Bluespunk Clarification 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 4MyEgo Posted May 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2021 He is a hero and the world should be banning this product until the wrongs are right through human rights watch. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Rabbit Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 2 hours ago, JCauto said: Yes, you're right. Better to do nothing at all, sweep it under the carpet and just hope that it magically fixes itself, correct? That's the true path of righteousness. Wow some people surely get in a big huff don't they. I am ASKING if there has been any changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thingamabob Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 7 hours ago, Rampant Rabbit said: A record compared to the road building fiasco case then, was it 20 years , so far, and how's the gold mining case going? ....and Hopewell ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post spidermike007 Posted May 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2021 Truth can be a terrible thing. Especially when you are a very guilty party, with alot to hide, and are on the receiving end of "truth". Hide behind cowardly defamation laws all you want. We know who you are, and what you do. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCauto Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 26 minutes ago, Rampant Rabbit said: Wow some people surely get in a big huff don't they. I am ASKING if there has been any changes. Oh, sorry, looked to me like a snarky comment. No, there have not been any changes. Check back again in 25 years, likely to be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMuir Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 41 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said: He is a hero and the world should be banning this product until the wrongs are right through human rights watch. All of us living in Thailand benefit everyday from the Thai migrant labour laws. The houses we live in, the food we eat, the transport, the transport we use, the malls we shop in etc. Calls to ban these products will just end up costing the workers their jobs that are not available in their own third world countries. It won't affect the very rich owners lifestyles one bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy cow cm Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 7 hours ago, Neeranam said: If you mess with Chinese Thai businesses, be prepared to pay. Ummm, look up who the owners actually are. More than just Chinese Thai business owners. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post holy cow cm Posted May 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2021 Good for Andy and his legal team. Great bunch of people. Now Andy should still be cautious if he comes back as nothing like hot heads scorned. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burma Bill Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 9 hours ago, webfact said: Thailand’s Supreme Court has cleared Andy Hall, Finnwatch human rights researcher of all charges How about clearing two Burmese lads on death row of all charges???? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dome Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 8 hours ago, Rampant Rabbit said: I wonder has this actually done anything for migrant workers rights in Thailand? Yes, it's highlighted the issue abroad, the required first step. How else are you going to go about it as an outsider? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy cow cm Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Burma Bill said: How about clearing two Burmese lads on death row of all charges???? Same legal team as Andy, and personally speaking if they could not get the kids off then no one can. They were railroaded. Travesty of justice at best. Would love to know who was pulling the strings as in how high up for face. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dome Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Rampant Rabbit said: Wow some people surely get in a big huff don't they. I am ASKING if there has been any changes. You obviously have internet. Feel free to research. You're pretending to ask a reasonable question when you're really undermining the work of those who wish to change things for the better long term. Move right along then, nothing for you to see here. You're "we've all profited from the Thai labour laws..." comment tries to make everyone complicit when in fact expats have zero say in this matter. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mr Meeseeks Posted May 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Bluespunk said: He still faced the danger that the harassment would continue and left to avoid this. Anyone that tries to expose anything unsavoury here that affects the ruling classes and corrupt officialdom will have to do a runner sooner or later. Journalists, human rights activists, etc. They will either kill you or lock you up. They don't like locals or foreigners airing their dirty laundry in public. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilly07 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Reduce profits by paying a living wage, provide adequate housing, pay cost of quarantine and then more Thais would get jobs, infection rates would reduce and the consumer would pay the correct price for the product be it pineapples or fish. Whilst your about it reduce the prison population density by building more prisons and reducing the profit from enormously overcrowded prisons. IE make the top 1pc of Thai Society meet the true cost of their greed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy cow cm Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 37 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said: Anyone that tries to expose anything unsavoury here that affects the ruling classes and corrupt officialdom will have to do a runner sooner or later. Journalists, human rights activists, etc. They will either kill you or lock you up. They don't like locals or foreigners airing their dirty laundry in public. Yep. Easy to disappear or be hurt or killed, and the funny thing would be there would be no CC tv working anywhere and so they could not find the perpetrators. Anyway, Andy fled for his safety as fast as he could and it was all under secret hush hush to airport and out. I do know a little bit about this and his defending team.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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