1 minute ago, Artisi said:

and just what does that prove?

You get tested today and cleared, but tomorrow you get infected - so by your thinking you should be tested everyday - just in case?  

It's true that you can test negative and then catch the virus. The point is the more positives that are found and taken out of circulation the less chance you've got of being infected. How do you find the positives? Wait for them to present to hospital or go out and find them. More tests means you find more positives which you take out of circulation thus eventually widdling down the number of positives. Of course other measures are needed but this is why mass testing happens. I would think everyone knows this by now.

2 hours ago, Trujillo said:

101,447 out of the total population of Thailand at 69,799,978 is 0.145 percent of the total population. 

 

Deaths are 0.00084 percent of the total population of the nation. 

 

Just to give some perspective. 

The vast majority of which are in a 3rd wave in the last 4 weeks. There are 52 weeks in a year, then another 52 in the year after that.

 

you are also assuming the data that you quote doesn’t get worse, India is the current example showing that it can.

 

I recall a US President once saying “it’s one person coming in from China”. He was right at the time, but the future is the important thing.

Edited May 16, 20215 yr by wensiensheng

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

It's true that you can test negative and then catch the virus. The point is the more positives that are found and taken out of circulation the less chance you've got of being infected. How do you find the positives? Wait for them to present to hospital or go out and find them. More tests means you find more positives which you take out of circulation thus eventually widdling down the number of positives. Of course other measures are needed but this is why mass testing happens. I would think everyone knows this by now.

doesn't change the fact that daily testing for everyone would be necessary - better to put more effort into vaccination, but that means a pro-active government approach and that's a bit like the Easter-bunny, the tooth fairy of father Christmas arriving on time.  

13 minutes ago, Artisi said:

and just what does that prove?

You get tested today and cleared, but tomorrow you get infected - so by your thinking you should be tested everyday - just in case?  

It proves who's got it now and decisions can be taken from there.

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

It proves who's got it now and decisions can be taken from there.

and tomorrow you're (supposedly) clear to head out and infect others. Testing is only one step in the chain .

Just now, Artisi said:

and tomorrow you're (supposedly) clear to head out and infect others. Testing is only one step in the chain .

Its one step yes, the most important step to identify the problem to begin with, without then you just deal with wondering why hospitals are being overwhelmed.

27 minutes ago, Artisi said:

and just what does that prove?

You get tested today and cleared, but tomorrow you get infected - so by your thinking you should be tested everyday - just in case?  

Well, I think in a situation like a pandemic it’s important to know what the current state of play is. That allows modeling to take place to show future scenarios based on different decision making made now. Hopefully the various models allow better decision selection and enhance planning for a given anticipated scenario.

 

without knowing where you are now, it’s like following a map without knowing your location.

 

you can still reach a destination, but by way of blunt instrument like total lock down, rather than a guided path.

As I understand it, that is why testing is one of the tools used to gain a picture of where we are now.

 

It also serves to early identify infected people and allow them to isolate. So there is both a tactical and strategic reason for testing.

 

a number of countries with effective Covid strategies ( Taiwan, s Korea, NZ, Australia, China) have used testing extensively.

Edited May 16, 20215 yr by wensiensheng

2 minutes ago, Artisi said:

doesn't change the fact that daily testing for everyone would be necessary - better to put more effort into vaccination, but that means a pro-active government approach and that's a bit like the Easter-bunny, the tooth fairy of father Christmas arriving on time.  

You are missing my point. It's back to the old identify, isolate and trace and keep doing it. Harsh lockdowns are also effictive something that seemed to be missed by those running the show after the Thong Lor spread. As for vaccination yes it seems to be working for now in countries not using sinovac e.g. the UK. Long term is interesting though as obviously no data is available. How long does immunity last? Will variants render some vaccines useless? Once vaccinated can you still get covid-19 and be infectious etc.

2 hours ago, Trujillo said:

101,447 out of the total population of Thailand at 69,799,978 is 0.145 percent of the total population. 

 

Deaths are 0.00084 percent of the total population of the nation. 

 

Just to give some perspective. 

Perspective ? Yeah, right.

 

UK tests - 169,000,000 , Thailand tests - 8,000,000

UK tests per million - 2,400,000 , Thai test per million - 116,000

 

Thailand also has yet to explain the 10,000 extra deaths recently.

 

 

 

As long as they don’t stop doing this bs testing which only make sense for media nowhere else in the reality this bs will go on endlessly 

TIMELINE: Pattaya and Chonburi Public Health authorities inform residents who visited places in relation to most recent Chonburi Covid -19 cases

 

The Chonburi Public Health Office last night, May 15th, has released another warning and timeline to inform people who went places last month and this month to notify health authorities and monitor their health in regards to Covid-19. The following is an English translation of the release.

 

1. Coffee shop (in front of ‘Chorb Barber’) in Banglamung district from 1-7 May from 6:00 AM. to 3:00 PM.
2. Pay Plus by Numchai in Banglamung district from 2-6 May and 8-11 May from 9:00 AM. to 8:00 PM.
3. Pa Sattha Khun Nimit Temple in Banglaming district on May 3rd from 8:00 AM. to 6:00 PM.
4. Tesco Lotus, Bo Win Branch in Si Racha district on May 9th from 7:00 PM. to 8:40 PM.
5. TMB Bank in Tesco Lotus, North Pattaya in Banglamung district on May 10th from 2:00 PM. to 3:00 PM.
6. Mueang Chon Sattawarak Pet Clinic in Mueang Chonburi district on 10-13 May from 9:00 AM. to 7:00 PM.
7. The signboard tax department, Pattaya City Hall on May 12th from 12:00 PM. to 2:00 PM.

 

 

 

Schools in the Deep Red Zone (Bangkok, Nonthaburi, Samut Prakan, Pathum Thani) will remain closed while those in the Red Zone can reopen. #ThaiPBSWorld #ThailandNews #COVID19

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiPBSWorld/status/1393796343936606212

 

Already published in the Royal Gazette.

 

 

Edited May 16, 20215 yr by anchadian

The unseen victims of this prolonged wave

 

Increase in suicide feared in Thailand as Covid-19 grows

 

"with Covid-19 dragging on in Thailand, suicide rates tend to creep up, as feelings of long-term hopelessness and economic despair set in. With Thailand’s tourism heavy economy and the disproportionate strength of Covid-19’s third-wave, the economic effect has been severe."

 

https://thethaiger.com/news/national/increase-in-suicide-feared-in-thailand-as-covid-19-grows

4 minutes ago, anchadian said:

TIMELINE: Pattaya and Chonburi Public Health authorities inform residents who visited places in relation to most recent Chonburi Covid -19 cases

 

The Chonburi Public Health Office last night, May 15th, has released another warning and timeline to inform people who went places last month and this month to notify health authorities and monitor their health in regards to Covid-19. The following is an English translation of the release.

 

1. Coffee shop (in front of ‘Chorb Barber’) in Banglamung district from 1-7 May from 6:00 AM. to 3:00 PM.
2. Pay Plus by Numchai in Banglamung district from 2-6 May and 8-11 May from 9:00 AM. to 8:00 PM.
3. Pa Sattha Khun Nimit Temple in Banglaming district on May 3rd from 8:00 AM. to 6:00 PM.
4. Tesco Lotus, Bo Win Branch in Si Racha district on May 9th from 7:00 PM. to 8:40 PM.
5. TMB Bank in Tesco Lotus, North Pattaya in Banglamung district on May 10th from 2:00 PM. to 3:00 PM.
6. Mueang Chon Sattawarak Pet Clinic in Mueang Chonburi district on 10-13 May from 9:00 AM. to 7:00 PM.
7. The signboard tax department, Pattaya City Hall on May 12th from 12:00 PM. to 2:00 PM.

 

 

 

5 of those are from quite long ago, more than a few days anyway. Superficially it seems that if a person was infected at one of the locations, they have had plenty of time to spread the virus.

3 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

affected Dark Red zones and Red zones

 

3 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

While Bangkok will remain a Dark Red

 

3 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

will also remain as Dark Red zones.

 

3 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

Another 17 provinces are in red zones

 

Have they got a load of red paint to use up or something .. 

Personally I'd have gone for lilac for the least dodgy zones through to eggplant or aubergine purple for the iffy ones .. 

53 minutes ago, Artisi said:

have they been hidden or just not tested? 

Who knows?No one knows because they're not telling.

3 minutes ago, Justgrazing said:

Have they got a load of red paint to use up or something .. 

Personally I'd have gone for lilac for the least dodgy zones through to eggplant or aubergine purple for the iffy ones .. 

Good news! Apparently you can now sit and eat your veggies in the restaurant.

10 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Schools in the Deep Red Zone (Bangkok, Nonthaburi, Samut Prakan, Pathum Thani) will remain closed while those in the Red Zone can reopen. #ThaiPBSWorld #ThailandNews #COVID19

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiPBSWorld/status/1393796343936606212

 

Already published in the Royal Gazette.

 

 

One of two things is happening here.

 

1. the covid data doesn’t really support the designation of red zone status and therefore it is entirely reasonable to open schools.

 

2. the Covid data does support red zone status and it is totally foolhardy to open schools.

 

I don’t personally see a scenario where true red zone status and open schools comfortably co exist. Otherwise what is the point of a red zone designation?

 

 

2 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

Good news! Apparently you can now sit and eat your veggies in the restaurant.

Although in the deep red zones, you're on you own (at a table).

 

If your take your wife/gf, you're allowed to have one table each.

 

The CCSA has decided to ease restrictions on eateries in the Deep Red Zone, by allowing dine-in services up to 9pm, but with only one diner sat at a table which usually seats 4, and no serving of alcohol.

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiPBSWorld/status/1393552418743283716

 

 

https://twitter.com/SaksithCNA/status/1393802759271444487

 

#COVID19TH UPDATE (16 May 21) - 2,302* new cases (101,447* total)

- 2,136 more discharged (65,803) 

-35,055 active cases (1,228 critical, 408 on ventilators)

- 24 more deaths (589)

*none found in prison today, milestone of 100k total cases passed.

 

Edited May 16, 20215 yr by anchadian

14 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

Good news! Apparently you can now sit and eat your veggies in the restaurant.

Nothing worse than cold soggy greens now is there.

31 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

You are missing my point. It's back to the old identify, isolate and trace and keep doing it. Harsh lockdowns are also effictive something that seemed to be missed by those running the show after the Thong Lor spread. As for vaccination yes it seems to be working for now in countries not using sinovac e.g. the UK. Long term is interesting though as obviously no data is available. How long does immunity last? Will variants render some vaccines useless? Once vaccinated can you still get covid-19 and be infectious etc.

 I fully understand your point, my view is that far too many believe testing is the only answer, which it isn't, it's one step in the chain - my view is it is far better to concentrate the effort to isolate and trace in known areas than a panic shot-gun approach all over. Sure close monitoring for likely hot spots is necessary and Thailand seems to have the medical coverage to closely monitor this given the correct criteria and reporting system. 

As for long term immunity, variants etc - who knows, only time will tell.

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1393803753334075395

 

Today there are 24 deaths in #Thailand: 13 males and 11 females

Median age is 76 (39-91 years)

Most deaths in Bangkok (8), Chonburi (2), Pathum Thani (2) and Kanchanaburi (2).

Ten other provinces 1 each. 11 caught Covid from family members.

 

t’s strange the government decided to relax restrictions when numbers are still going up. In #Bangkok today, there are 1,218 new cases. * In related news, the missing 1,219 new cases found in prisons in Bangkok and Nonthaburi yesterday will apparently be added tomorrow.

 

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1393806223548420101

 

8 minutes ago, Artisi said:

 I fully understand your point, my view is that far too many believe testing is the only answer, which it isn't, it's one step in the chain

"A chain is as strong as it's weakest link." I heard somewhere.

7 minutes ago, anchadian said:

t’s strange the government decided to relax restrictions when numbers are still going up. In #Bangkok today, there are 1,218 new cases. * In related news, the missing 1,219 new cases found in prisons in Bangkok and Nonthaburi yesterday will apparently be added tomorrow.

 

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1393806223548420101

 

The 1,219 new infections found in the following three prisons yesterday will be added to the national tally tomorrow:

Klong Prem Central Prison: 510 cases

Bangkok Remand Prison: 88 cases

Thonburi Remand Prison: 621 case

#COVID19 #โควิด19 #โควิดวันนี้ #Thailand

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1393808640163811328

2 hours ago, robblok said:

Of course its worse then it looks tests are severely limited. They think the spread is around 5% in BKK. Why do you think the government never posts how many tests are done. Last i read was that the health organization of hospitals wanted more funding and promised to scale up tests from 10.000 to 20.000. That is the countrywide health organization. They do 3000 tests in the slums and call it mass testing. So you can only imagine that MAYBE they test around 20.000 to 30.000 a day. So we will never get more unless we do more tests. 

 

They don't want high numbers its in their interest to keep numbers low. Bad for tourism bad for the economy and bad for the looks of the government. 

 

Do you think this government would lockdown if they don't absolutely have to. Remember they let songkran go because of public opnion. I doubt many (me included) like lockdowns. The longer it takes the more resentment it builds the more people will think badly of the goverment and how they should have prevented this.  So its in the goverments best interest to downplay it all.

 

There have been a few discussions on this forum about what is the real number of people being tested daily.  Somebody, I cannot remember who, said that that figure is the "People Under Investigation" or PUI.

 

That figure is posted daily here by MOPH.  If the above is true it doesn't make pretty reading.

 

https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/index.php

 

13 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

"A chain is as strong as it's weakest link." I heard somewhere.

And what is its weakest link? 

1 minute ago, Artisi said:

15 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

"A chain is as strong as it's weakest link." I heard somewhere.

And what is its weakest link? 

There must be a General answer somewhere.

1 minute ago, Artisi said:

And what is its weakest link? 

Ehh it weakest link is its weakest link, strange question. Perhaps you should have asked where is a chains weakest link ?