4 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Why are there multiple days of positive cases at some clusters if they don’t test after they find a cluster?

Depends if you're Thai or a migrant worker, migrants are separated and left in squalor.

6 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Why are there multiple days of positive cases at some clusters if they don’t test after they find a cluster?

I'm not talking about cluster I'm talking about factories don't change the subject.Surely you have noticed the migrant workers protesting their treatment after being locked up in a bubble and seal in the news lately?The ones behind the razor wire?Who puts razor wire around field hospitals?They're not field hospitals they are detention camps.They're not called bubble and seal for nothing, they are sealed in until herd immunity is reached.

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3 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

I'm not talking about cluster I'm talking about factories don't change the subject.Surely you have noticed the migrant workers protesting their treatment after being locked up in a bubble and seal in the news lately?The ones behind the razor wire?Who puts razor wire around field hospitals?They're not field hospitals they are detention camps.They're not called bubble and seal for nothing, they are sealed in until herd immunity is reached.

One wonders about deaths in these covid prisoner camps.

11 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

I'm not talking about cluster I'm talking about factories don't change the subject.Surely you have noticed the migrant workers protesting their treatment after being locked up in a bubble and seal in the news lately?The ones behind the razor wire?Who puts razor wire around field hospitals?They're not field hospitals they are detention camps.They're not called bubble and seal for nothing, they are sealed in until herd immunity is reached.

Just to be clear, you are saying that when a cluster is found in a factory, initial tests are made, the factory is sealed off, and no further tests are conducted until either everyone dies or someone sounds the “all clear” and the razor wire is taken down.

 

Alternatively, even if the factory is closed, workers are confined to their dormitories outside the factory, and the infected are shipped off to field hospitals. This would be the official policy.

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13 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

As of yesterday:

 

 

At that pace they are dreaming if they can get 70% Full vaccination by the end of the year. I say mid 2022

2 minutes ago, Blumpie said:

With one dose it takes 2 weeks to get some kind of immunity.  Don't fool yourself, it really does take that long and it does increase over time.  

One dose is better than nothing - it substantially reduces the chances of catching it and hospitalization.  True, you are not fully vaccinated but to be honest, you would take at least one month to become fully immune if you had both doses two weeks apart.  

The only smart thing to do is to space out the doses so more can be protected.  All around the globe they are doing this and it works.

Agreed. But at the same time they aren’t all rushing to open up to tourists by an artificial date and claiming people are “vaccinated”, when in reality they have had only one jab. that is what is happening in Phuket.
 

The precious vaccine resources being used to try and achieve some kind of herd immunity in Phuket, so that the island can gain some financial benefit from imaginary tourists, would be far better utilized protecting those who are at genuine health risk, no matter what province they live in.....or their nationality.

 

if Phuket resident/businesses are suffering financially due to a lack of tourists, the government should provide the genuine hardship cases with financial assistance. Trying to use health resources for financial benefit is just sheer lunacy.

4 minutes ago, club said:

At that pace they are dreaming if they can get 70% Full vaccination by the end of the year. I say mid 2022

Oh my goodness of course they won't be vaccinated by the end of this year.

They haven't even figured out how to get people to actually do it.  Imagine, 1200000 shots being administered by... who?!?!

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Missed a zero!

1 minute ago, wensiensheng said:

Agreed. But at the same time they aren’t all rushing to open up to tourists by an artificial date and claiming people are “vaccinated”, when in reality they have had only one jab. that is what is happening in Phuket.
 

The precious vaccine resources being used to try and achieve some kind of herd immunity in Phuket, so that the island can gain some financial benefit from imaginary tourists, would be far better utilized protecting those who are at genuine health risk, no matter what province they live in.....or their nationality.

 

if Phuket resident/businesses are suffering financially due to a lack of tourists, the government should provide the genuine hardship cases with financial assistance. Trying to use health resources for financial benefit is just sheer lunacy.

Most of us only have one jab, 63 percent as of today.  It's opening.  Cases are plummeting.  Literally falling off the cliff.

Phuket won't open.  Even if it does what on earth is it going to be?  Lameoid that's what.  

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Just to be clear, you are saying that when a cluster is found in a factory, initial tests are made, the factory is sealed off, and no further tests are conducted until either everyone dies or someone sounds the “all clear” and the razor wire is taken down.

You were doing well until,  “until either everyone dies or someone sounds the “all clear” and the razor wire is taken down.”

 

in reality, my understanding is that anyone with severe symptoms is removed to a proper hospital (whether that happens in practice I don’t know) and then after a period of time, I assume 14 days or so, a la quarantine but maybe it’s longer, the razor wire is taken down and everyone released.

 

tbh, I don’t know if the authorities have thought through the release bit. The scramble was to incarcerate the workers within their camp/factory. Hence no thought to standby generators when the electricity failed, provision of proper food etc.

A highly unscientific (in the sense that's it's primarily based on hearsay) yet compelling picture of fairly rampant spread of Covid is painted by basically all the people my wife interacts with in her daily life. That's everyone from the somtam lady, the market stall personnel, the True internet technician and the doctor in our local clinic.

They all tell stories about widespread Covid infection in our district (Pattaya/Banglamungand) and of the people infected not going to the hospital but rather riding it out at home.

 

 

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1 minute ago, wensiensheng said:

You were doing well until,  “until either everyone dies or someone sounds the “all clear” and the razor wire is taken down.”

 

in reality, my understanding is that anyone with severe symptoms is removed to a proper hospital (whether that happens in practice I don’t know) and then after a period of time, I assume 14 days or so, a la quarantine but maybe it’s longer, the razor wire is taken down and everyone released.

 

tbh, I don’t know if the authorities have thought through the release bit. The scramble was to incarcerate the workers within their camp/factory. Hence no thought to standby generators when the electricity failed, provision of proper food etc.

More than 500 Covid patients try to escape field hospital in Phetchaburi

 

according to this article, infected workers in a factory were sent to a field hospital.

1 minute ago, Phoenix Rising said:

A highly unscientific (in the sense that's it's primarily based on hearsay) yet compelling picture of fairly rampant spread of Covid is painted by basically all the people my wife interacts with in her daily life. That's everyone from the somtam lady, the market stall personnel, the True internet technician and the doctor in our local clinic.

They all tell stories about widespread Covid infection in our district (Pattaya/Banglamungand) of people infected not going to the hospital but rather riding it out at home.

 

 

To be fair, the people supposedly staying at home don’t know that they are infected. They might be feeling off color, have a cold or what have you, but without a test, they don’t know they are infected.

 

I wouldn’t put much stock in it tbh

5 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

A highly unscientific (in the sense that's it's primarily based on hearsay) yet compelling picture of fairly rampant spread of Covid is painted by basically all the people my wife interacts with in her daily life. That's everyone from the somtam lady, the market stall personnel, the True internet technician and the doctor in our local clinic.

They all tell stories about widespread Covid infection in our district (Pattaya/Banglamungand) of people infected not going to the hospital but rather riding it out at home.

 

 

I have heard similar rumors going back to February 2020. If Covid is widespread in Pattaya, nobody told the hospitals.

 

Chonburi conducts over 1,000 tests a day, why isn’t there a high positivity rate showing up in their tests?

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1 minute ago, Phoenix Rising said:

A highly unscientific (in the sense that's it's primarily based on hearsay) yet compelling picture of fairly rampant spread of Covid is painted by basically all the people my wife interacts with in her daily life. That's everyone from the somtam lady, the market stall personnel, the True internet technician and the doctor in our local clinic.

They all tell stories about widespread Covid infection in our district (Pattaya/Banglamungand) of people infected not going to the hospital but rather riding it out at home.

 

 

And I would suspect that is much the case around the world in countries that do not, or can not, provide adequate and appropriate health care facilities . Let's face it pictures and/or descriptions of Thailand's "Field hospitals" hardly gives confidence to anybody that their treatment will be effective with appropriate facilities and Thailand is hardly the worst place on earth for medical treatment, far from it.

4 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

A highly unscientific (in the sense that's it's primarily based on hearsay) yet compelling picture of fairly rampant spread of Covid is painted by basically all the people my wife interacts with in her daily life. That's everyone from the somtam lady, the market stall personnel, the True internet technician and the doctor in our local clinic.

They all tell stories about widespread Covid infection in our district (Pattaya/Banglamungand) and of the people infected not going to the hospital but rather riding it out at home.

 

 

Not surprising.  I'd be doing the same as long as it was like a regular flu.

This disease you never know how it's going to affect you.  I've had 2 people who had it with few side effects - one it was like a bad flu.  The other was not too bad but still no taste after 4 months.

2 more - one in Nepal, dead.  Healthy mountain guide.

One just got off a ventilator after 3 plus weeks.  He said two words today.  We are all very surprised he is still alive.  

8 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

More than 500 Covid patients try to escape field hospital in Phetchaburi

 

according to this article, infected workers in a factory were sent to a field hospital.

I don’t think you quite grasp the situation danderman. Look at the picture in your attachment and read the article.

 

the picture of the “field hospital” has a big cal comp sign outside of it.

 

the article says “packed field hospital set up at a Petchburi factory”.

 

it’s the factory they work at, probably stuffed full of cardboard beds, or not, I don’t really know. Calling it a field hospital doesn’t change the fact that ITS THE FACTORY THAT THEY WORK AT.

 

I can’t really make it clearer than that. Sorry to shout.

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19 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Alternatively, even if the factory is closed, workers are confined to their dormitories outside the factory, and the infected are shipped off to field hospitals. This would be the official policy.

Past admission by CCSA on herd immunity policy:

 

"They were waiting for these well workers to develop herd immunity, because they might get mild levels of infection from their ill colleagues, Dr Taweesilp said.

Once there was herd immunity, business and other activities could resume in the province, he said."

https://www.chiangraitimes.com/thailand-national-news/news-asia-thailand/7000-factory-workers-have-tested-covid-19-positive-in-thailand/

 

Evidence the practice remains the same:

 

While the migrants in the camps languish locked up, with infected people among the uninfected allowing it to spread inside. 

 

"Enforcing an abusive and discriminatory policy, Thai authorities put migrant workers affected by the COVID-19 outbreak in a ghetto, where infection spreads like wildfire in squalid conditions," said Sunai Phasuk, a senior researcher for Human Rights Watch in Thailand.

 

"Labour authorities are arresting workers instead of testing them, and we are concerned this will lead to workers hiding," said Adisorn Kerdmongkol, a coordinator at the Migrant Working Group (MWG), a network of non-governmental organisations.

 

https://news.trust.org/item/20210528152739-huym4/

 

 

 

Edited May 30, 20215 yr by Bkk Brian

56 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

They don't test after the bubble and seal they wait for herd immunity same a Samut Sakhon.That way they control the infection numbers as we've been trying to tell you but you refuse to listen

From today’s Pattaya News:

 

• A cluster at the Celeres company factory in Mueang Chonburi with 8 cases (second check of all staff previously negative who were quarantined)
•  
• Contact from Okumura metal factory, 16 cases (second check of all staff who were previously negative)

reports of updated testing at 2 factories.

25 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

One wonders about deaths in these covid prisoner camps.

I wonder what it would be like to live on boiled eggs and rice for 2 weeks!

9 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

From today’s Pattaya News:

 

• A cluster at the Celeres company factory in Mueang Chonburi with 8 cases (second check of all staff previously negative who were quarantined)
•  
• Contact from Okumura metal factory, 16 cases (second check of all staff who were previously negative)

reports of updated testing at 2 factories.

Were these factories under the bubble and seal program?If not the info you've posted is irrelevant.

Too bad Covid can't be cured by wishful thinking. Thailand would be on the road to Wellsville long ago.

Edited May 30, 20215 yr by wasabi

32 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

More than 500 Covid patients try to escape field hospital in Phetchaburi

 

according to this article, infected workers in a factory were sent to a field hospital.

It was set up inside the CalComp factory property so they were not sent anywhere other than to a spot already in the factory.  Did you not read what you posted or linked to.....

 

"Hundreds of Covid-19 patients at a packed field hospital set up at a Phetchaburi factory" "The field hospital at the Cal-Comp Electronics Thailand factory was set up after 682 workers, many of them Burmese migrants, tested positive for the virus. Following the outbreak, space at the factory was converted into kitchens to provided meals for quarantined workers while another space at the building was converted into a field hospital"

9 minutes ago, wasabi said:

Too bad Covid can't be cured by exaggeration and fabrication. Thailand would be on the road to Wellsville long ago.

In Thailand that's exactly how they cure covid and they have been on the road to wellness and happiness since the pandemic started, at least according to the generals.

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

and now have 2 new variants the Thai variant and now found in Vietnam a mix of UK and Indian. This is described as airborne and highly infectious. No real reason to rule this mutation out here. How will the vaccs cope.

The Thai variant is not 'in' Thailand, it was identified  at Suvarnabhumi from an Egyptian pilot. The UK has 100 or more cases.

 

Maybe Britain can re-export back to Thailand but country of origin is still China with Egyptian value added.

 

The Vietnam version sound scary.

Saraburi chicken processing plant closed for 5 days as 245 workers have COVID-19

A poultry processing plant, belonging to the CPF Company in Thailand’s central province of Saraburi, was partially closed today (Sunday) for five days for disinfection, after 245 workers tested positive for COVID-19 during active screening.

According to provincial health officials, about 3,400 of the approximately 5,800 workers at the plant have been screened.  So far, 765 test results are known and 245 of them were found to be infected.

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/saraburi-chicken-processing-plant-closed-for-5-days-as-245-workers-have-covid-19/

fatalities remain low,and the cured rate is good.

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Saraburi chicken processing plant closed for 5 days as 245 workers have COVID-19

A poultry processing plant, belonging to the CPF Company in Thailand’s central province of Saraburi, was partially closed today (Sunday) for five days for disinfection, after 245 workers tested positive for COVID-19 during active screening.

According to provincial health officials, about 3,400 of the approximately 5,800 workers at the plant have been screened.  So far, 765 test results are known and 245 of them were found to be infected.

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/saraburi-chicken-processing-plant-closed-for-5-days-as-245-workers-have-covid-19/

Positive rate of almost 30% of returned results. I’m sure plenty of these workers have been out and about in their community. 

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

More than 500 Covid patients try to escape field hospital in Phetchaburi

 

There is no field hospital.. The Burmese are in the factory sleeping in tents and sometimes out of electricity.. It is worse than prison.. They want to cook their food themselves , because........ but that not written..too crowded. The Thai people however are taken to another dormitory with more comfort 8 Tambons are in lock down now

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2 hours ago, starky said:

Well that ain't good.

It was always what was expected but never happened last year.......now all hopes are pinned on getting vaccinations into  arms to put a brake on the situation. I am concerned. The UK has been vaccinating very efficiently close to 6 months now. Herd immunity has not been reached there and  infection related numbers are again on the way up.  

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Saraburi chicken processing plant closed for 5 days as 245 workers have COVID-19

A poultry processing plant, belonging to the CPF Company in Thailand’s central province of Saraburi, was partially closed today (Sunday) for five days for disinfection, after 245 workers tested positive for COVID-19 during active screening.

According to provincial health officials, about 3,400 of the approximately 5,800 workers at the plant have been screened.  So far, 765 test results are known and 245 of them were found to be infected.

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/saraburi-chicken-processing-plant-closed-for-5-days-as-245-workers-have-covid-19/

The PBS article says it been partially closed.With 32% infection rate so far makes me wonder if they have done any testing in the community with their fabulously efficient proactive testing regime or does the regime guidelines not allow this type of testing?