holy cow cm Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, polpott said: You won't get to the truth by watching conspiracy theorists on YouTube. It is when you see a video stating most people killed by busses in Cambodia fall on Thursdays between 2:34pm and 2:35pm. That will may you consider things next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post richard_smith237 Posted June 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said: I read an interesting article or saw it on a YouTube video, can't remember which it was, but a leading scientist stated that the vaccine can in fact make the blood clot, but they don't know why, apparently 11 of 13 people who died shortly after being vaccinated died of blood clotting, now that is a high number, when, where they where vaccinated I cannot recall, but I would hardly call these vaccinations safe if people are dying shortly thereafter, there has to be a reason, regardless of the benefit vs the risk, and yes I am aware people die in cars everyday. I will wait till the truth comes out, which it will eventually. You are pinning your health on a conspiracy video or article you read which was so gripping you can’t recall whether it was a video or in print.... Nevertheless you choose to rely on that information rather than the stats which show billions of people worldwide have already been vaccinated with very few if any proven direct complications (other than allergy to vaccines). If attempt to present a credible argument, you’ve failed brilliantly. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Surelynot Posted June 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2021 Just now, holy cow cm said: It is when you see a video stating most people killed by busses in Cambodia fall on Thursdays between 2:34pm and 2:35pm. That will may you consider things next time. 75% of road fatalities occur within 3 miles of the victims home address...........best thing to do is move. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post richard_smith237 Posted June 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 minute ago, 4MyEgo said: 9 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: So.... how many of your paranoid delusions anti-covid-vaxxers hit the internet to tell everyone of the dangers and risk of thrombosis when you catch a cold ?????? Strong words, people have died, coincidence, see it as you will. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-09/covid-vaccine-astrazeneca-blood-clots-over-50-safe/100057540 1 in 1000 people have Thrombotic issues per year.... Its perfectly obvious that many of those who have had blood clots had a Thrombotic event after a vaccine, many would have had a thrombotic event before the vaccine, without the vaccine, just after the vaccine, years after the vaccine.... The vaccine is not to blame for these thrombotic events, the timing is coincidence. The media is publicising this coincidence and generating hysteria. The politicians are responding and covering their bases. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starky Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 hour ago, kotsak said: Actually two things are certain in life, death and taxes ???? Well thats 3 ???????? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nojohndoe Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 hours ago, scubascuba3 said: They recommend taking paracetamols after the jab if you have symptoms, also migraine meds won't cause a seizure The most common migraine medication used in Thailand is ergotamine based. Cumulative over dosing can have serious results. The more advanced triptans can have some rare negatives also. One is made by Astra Zeneca . And statistically people who suffer migraines are more likely to coincidentally also suffer epileptic seizures but without any association. Paracetamol is not contraindicated for ergotamine or triptans. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: You are pinning your health on a conspiracy video or article you read which was so gripping you can’t recall whether it was a video or in print.... Nevertheless you choose to rely on that information rather than the stats which show billions of people worldwide have already been vaccinated with very few if any proven direct complications (other than allergy to vaccines). If attempt to present a credible argument, you’ve failed brilliantly. Believe what you will, but if the Australian government has said not to give it to people over 50, they know there is a reason. I am not interested in billions getting the vaccine. I know there are other alternatives and the fact that this disease is not as serious as they have made out from the start, are you still believing that with all the new science out there, or are they all conspiracy theories, give us a break please. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-08/covid19-vaccine-blood-clotting-az-explainer/100055638 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kynikoi Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 hours ago, audaciousnomad said: Death comes for us all eventually. Nothing can be done about that. Except hers might have been prolonged another 40 years without the vaccine. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: 1 in 1000 people have Thrombotic issues per year.... Its perfectly obvious that many of those who have had blood clots had a Thrombotic event after a vaccine, many would have had a thrombotic event before the vaccine, without the vaccine, just after the vaccine, years after the vaccine.... The vaccine is not to blame for these thrombotic events, the timing is coincidence. The media is publicising this coincidence and generating hysteria. The politicians are responding and covering their bases. Like I said, believe what you will. We all see things differently, differently enough for me that I cancelled my appointment for the AZ jab that I knew I was getting on Monday 7 June, as it was confirmed by the hospital. Let someone who believe in the benefits outweigh the risk have it. My choice to believe what I see, here and read, as it is yours, and I know that there are more people that have survived from Covid than died without vaccines, the proof is out there if you look, how did they survive, with alternative treatments. Edited June 9, 2021 by metisdead Trolling image removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polpott Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said: Believe what you will, but if the Australian government has said not to give it to people over 50, Really? What it actually says is "Official advice in Australia has been changed, now saying that for Australians under 50, the Pfizer vaccine is the preferred option." Advice that is not given in other countries. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kynikoi Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 TBH I don't want an mRNA vaccine especially for the flu. If I were back home maybe I wouldn't get one at all. I'm never sick. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 minute ago, polpott said: Really? What it actually says is "Official advice in Australia has been changed, now saying that for Australians under 50, the Pfizer vaccine is the preferred option." Advice that is not given in other countries. You don't say, and why would they change that, I mean they also put all of their eggs in one basket with AZ, think about it, why would they change it if only one person died from AZ, one ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlover Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 I had a good friend who had a stroke just a few hours after taking some paracetamol and died a few days later. He was just shy of 50 years old. It hasn't stopped me from taking that medication when I need it, which is not very often thankfully and this story won't discourage me from having a vaccination when my turn comes. As the old saying goes, 'that's the way the cookie crumbles'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kotsak Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 14 minutes ago, starky said: 1 hour ago, kotsak said: Actually two things are certain in life, death and taxes ???? Well thats 3 ???????? Reminded me of "eats, shoots and leaves" ???? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polpott Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 minute ago, 4MyEgo said: You don't say, and why would they change that, I mean they also put all of their eggs in one basket with AZ, think about it, why would they change it if only one person died from AZ, one ! I do say. If you're going to quote websites to promote your bizarre conspiracy theories, at least get your quotes right, not the exact opposite of what is actually written. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nojohndoe Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 minute ago, 4MyEgo said: Like I said, believe what you will. We all see things differently, differently enough for me that I cancelled my appointment for the AZ jab that I knew I was getting on Monday 7 June, as it was confirmed by the hospital. Let someone who believe in the benefits outweigh the risk have it. My choice to believe what I see, here and read, as it is yours, and I know that there are more people that have survived from Covid than died without vaccines, the proof is out there if you look, how did they survive, with alternative treatments. Your's is an interesting take on the content of the article your link provided. To my take it actually actually clearly defines the risk of the AZ vaccine as being extremely minimal compared to even normal incidence of blood clots in a population and even ore so compared to the incidence and deaths of those who develop clots as a result of suffering covid-19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said: Believe what you will, but if the Australian government has said not to give it to people over 50, they know there is a reason. Reason: Political caution, not science. 5 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said: I am not interested in billions getting the vaccine. Obviously not... You are interested in the very small numbers of complications the media have picked up on. 5 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said: I know there are other alternatives and the fact that this disease is not as serious as they have made out from the start, Excess deaths in the OK was 10% for 2020 Thats its 10% more people died in 2020 in the UK than on average died in previous years - that info is damning - I didn’t take Covid-19 too seriously until I saw these raw stats for myself. 5 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said: are you still believing that with all the new science out there, or are they all conspiracy theories, give us a break please. https://www.abc.net.au//2021-04-08/covid19-vaccine-blood-clotting-az-explainer/100055638 From your quoted article..... the risk of dying from a blood clot after taking a vaccine is 1 in 800,000 Medical fact: 1 in 1000 people have a Thrombotic event each year (1 out of 9 of them die).... A separate stat in a separate article linked below: 1 in 4 people around the world die from conditions caused by Thrombosis. https://www.worldthrombosisday.org/issue/thrombosis/ This was before the AztraZeneca vaccine.... so, of course people will continue to die from the same causes they died of before the vaccine was created. Just because people may have died of a Thrombotic event after a vaccine does not mean that person would not have died of a Thrombotic event without the vaccine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 33 minutes ago, Surelynot said: You are allowed to do other things as well........... It is the forbidden fruit that tastes more sweet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 25 minutes ago, polpott said: You won't get to the truth by watching conspiracy theorists on YouTube. What can I say, you assume you know what I have watched and everyone who is more qualified than you and everyone here on TVF is a conspiracy theorist, give me a break, believe what you want, it's your choice as it is mine, but I know conspiracy theorists, and I stay clear of them, believe you me. Fact of the matter is, I believe what makes sense, is proven by studies and qualified professionals in their fields, who do you believe, governments, next thing you will be telling me that it didn't escape from the Wuhan lab, hopefully you will do your research before you reply, e.g. telling me that 80,000 animals in China had been tested for Covid, non infected with it, 3 staff fell ill in November 2019 and admitted to the hospital, China kept that away from the WHO, but that is another story, unless that too is a conspiracy theory in your mind. Nuf said, too much time wasted, out of here, have a life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Just now, jacko45k said: It is the forbidden fruit that tastes more sweet. Tell me about it............wife has me an a very short leash and it is killing me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Nojohndoe said: Your's is an interesting take on the content of the article your link provided. To my take it actually actually clearly defines the risk of the AZ vaccine as being extremely minimal compared to even normal incidence of blood clots in a population and even ore so compared to the incidence and deaths of those who develop clots as a result of suffering covid-19. So that is why the Australian government pulled it from people over 50, yep right you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanuman2543 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Surelynot said: Zero side effects are not a good sign........sore arm, fatigue, mild fever, headaches are all powerful indicators the vaccine has worked. That's not true: https://www-leicestermercury-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/people-arent-experiencing-any-covid-5369517.amp?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16232283164098&_ct=1623228431768&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=Von %1%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.leicestermercury.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fleicester-news%2Fpeople-arent-experiencing-any-covid-5369517 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 My wife just told me when she went to get her jab the doctor on a microphone told people no migraine medication, This was in Phuket. The doctor also interviewed my wife to she what drugs she was on after having cancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy cow cm Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 23 minutes ago, Surelynot said: 75% of road fatalities occur within 3 miles of the victims home address...........best thing to do is move. OMG - Wow. But not on Thursdays between between 2:34pm and 2:35pm if you live in Cambodia. I wonder what the day and time is for Thailand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polpott Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 minute ago, 4MyEgo said: So that is why the Australian government pulled it from people over 50, yep right you are. Under 50 actually. read the article you quoted. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-08/covid19-vaccine-blood-clotting-az-explainer/100055638 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nojohndoe Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said: So that is why the Australian government pulled it from people over 50, yep right you are. From your linked article "Official advice in Australia has been changed, now saying that for Australians under 50, the Pfizer vaccine is the preferred option.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Led Lolly Yellow Lolly Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Excel said: Unless it it was your own Mother "Bring out yer dead. . . . . . . Bring out yer dead. . ." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berybert Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 3 hours ago, scubascuba3 said: Always a lack of info in these stories. Did she have pre existing conditions other than Migraines. Had she had seizures before Probably be better if you contacted her daughter and asked her if she could give you the number of her mothers doctor. I'd imagine he would have the info you are looking for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excel Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, Led Lolly Yellow Lolly said: "Bring out yer dead. . . . . . . Bring out yer dead. . ." Soi dogs + pit bull terriers would most probably eat them if they did that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 3 hours ago, jackdd said: If you bring feelings into it you can make everything look bad. But if looking at it objectively the previous poster is right. Especially because we don't even know if it had anything to do with the vaccine. If you give a paracetamol to 800k people there might also be one that dies from a stroke, but this doesn't mean that it's because of the paracetamol. "...Especially because we don't even know if it had anything to do with the vaccine. ..." Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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