Thai woman dies hours after receiving AstraZeneca vaccine

[Andy from Kent]

5 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

It's a breaking story...the info probably isn't available yet.

 

Is the logical extension of your post to   write whatever is possibly true instead of waiting  briefly until  correct information is available?    

 

Are we all so starved for misinformation??

[Paradise Pete]

6 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Always a lack of info in these stories. Did she have pre existing conditions other than Migraines. Had she had seizures before

 

About 1,800 people die every day in Thailand. Some of them will have just been vaccinated.

Some of them will have been to the store.

Some will have just had lunch.

Etc.

 

[nattaya09]

Because most will never inquire beyond reading the article headline and spreading the word

[Surelynot]

20 minutes ago, berybert said:

Living in Thailand you'll probably die in your taxi drivers sleep.

I tell them no mobile phone....or I will get another taxi.

[mommysboy]

There may be some substance to these stories.  Yet, the same headlines have appeared whenever a vaccine is rolled out in a new country- be it Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, or Sinovac.

 

Best not to hark after the mythical safe vaccine and also it may be wise to wait a few weeks- pound to a penny the Thais won't have the emergency medicine widely distributed to avert serious thrombocytopenia (which is luckily very rare).

[richard_smith237]

23 minutes ago, edwardandtubs said:

Because not all blood clots are the same. The rare one caused by AstraZeneca is easily identifiable by a specialist. Of course there will be other blood clots that have nothing to do with AstraZeneca but there really is no doubt that VITT is a real issue that affects about one in 50,000 recipients of the AstraZeneca vaccine. I really don't see the point in you denying it when it's widely accepted by health authorities around the world.

 

Agreed on VITT....    

 

 

[kickstart]

5 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Thailand....

 

A person dies approximately every 59.85 seconds

Number of deaths per year: 526,938

Number of deaths per day: 1,444

Number of deaths per hour: 60

 

 

The wife was talking to a friend at our locale market on Monday ,got a phone call this morning she has died ,I know her bit over weight ,heart not so good ,probably the cause .

Now if she had been injected with the vaccine , say yesterday of Monday ,and died it would be her we would be talking about on here.

In the op's case I would say an underlining cause. 

[DavidH555]

Can someone tell me what vaccinations are available in Thailand?

[sezze]

From what i heard , the bloodcloths from the vaccines to not happen straight away . It's a body reaction , and like the vaccines take some time to work , also the reaction from the blood on it does take some time . I heard , the bloodcloths take a few days until 2 weeks after vaccination . Vaccination protection takes 2-3 weeks .

If it is a allergic reaction , then that happens straight away , so thats also out as a reason for her , we are talking seconds to minutes after injection ( which is why over here in my country there is a waiting area of 15 mins after injection before going outside again ) .

[SCOTT FITZGERSLD]

very sad indeed. not sure who is the idiot who replied with smiley.

when i took the vaccine i also felt some unusual phisical stress, i decided to take a rest

and relax for two weeks after each vaccine.

one sceintist calculted it this way, according to data about the deceased from vaccive vs. virus:

 

there is a chance of 1 to 100,000 to die from the vaccine, and 1 to 5000 to die from the virus.

the chance to die from the virus can be reduced to allmost zero once herd immunity is achieved.

herd immunity is achieved once 70% of the population has been vaccinated.

thailand might get there within 3-4 months.

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5 hours ago, mommysboy said:

A predictable story for the media - just fill in a few blanks.  

 

Sadly, all the covid vaccines will nudge a few people in to an earlier grave.  They are not as safe as we'd like them to be.

 

 

How safe would we like them to be? 

[Stupooey]

5 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Everyone I know in the UK has been vaccinated with AZ... 

 

The only issues are the media generating ridiculously outrageous hysteria and in a couple of countries politicians who pay lip-service to the media and respond. 

 

Then there are the people who use these stories as confirmation bias and cement their opinions while ignoring all other logic and facts. 

 

Time will tell whether the UK has been over-reliant on AZ. It seems to me that with different variants of the virus appearing regularly, against which some vaccines are more or less effective than others, that a spread of different vaccines within a community is preferable. It is easy to see why the UK  (along with the US and a few others) tried to turn it into some sort of a race, but it may well not have been the best strategy in the long term.

[NB1986]

3 minutes ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

very sad indeed. not sure who is the idiot who replied with smiley.

when i took the vaccine i also felt some unusual phisical stress, i decided to take a rest

and relax for two weeks after each vaccine.

one sceintist calculted it this way, according to data about the deceased from vaccive vs. virus:

 

there is a chance of 1 to 100,000 to die from the vaccine, and 1 to 5000 to die from the virus.

the chance to die from the virus can be reduced to allmost zero once herd immunity is achieved.

herd immunity is achieved once 70% of the population has been vaccinated.

thailand might get there within 3-4 months.

Where did you get this data? Even the scientists dont know how long will vaccine last , if a booster shot will be needed and also how many will die from side effects, its simple right? If someone dies 1 month after vaccination nobody will blame vaccine and those who die mostly die from heart attack so they will never show real numbers how many died from vaccine and your data 1 to 100.000 is absolutely uncorrect, i will take 1-5000 odds ???? GL

[metisdead]

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5 hours ago, polpott said:

Fine. Thanks to the AZ vaccine, the UK has now vaccinated 40 million people with the first dose (73% of adult population) and 28 million with the second dose (42% of adult population). How's France doing?

 

Its worth noting that the Indian variant has quickly supplanted the UK variant in the UK and almost all new cases are of the Indian variant. Expect the same in Thailand soon.

 

The AZ vaccine is highly effective against the Indian variant but having 2 doses doubles its effectiveness against the Indian variant. Thailand's philosophy of "one dose is good enough for now" may well turn into a disaster.

 

I returned to the UK on 22nd April, received my first dose of the vaccine on the following day and receive my 2nd dose on the 19th of this month after which I will be making all speed to return to Thailand, hopefully via Phuket.

 

 

Not to knock the AZ vaccine but it's not just the AZ vaccine that's being used in the UK.

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5 hours ago, AlexRich said:

Pfizer is also reported to be less effective against the Indian variant than AZN.

You sure about that?

The Pfizer vaccine was found to be 88% effective at stopping symptomatic disease from the Indian variant two weeks after the second dose, compared with 93% effectiveness against the Kent variant. The AstraZeneca jab was 60% effective against the Indian variant, compared with 66% against the Kent variant.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57214596#:~:text=The Pfizer vaccine was found,66% against the Kent variant.

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4 hours ago, audaciousnomad said:

As if you know for certain what will happen in that 30-year period. Men make plans, and God laughs. LOL

That's why insurance companies dismissed all their actuaries and shut down their computing systems. Because there's absolutely no way to reckon on probability.

[rabas]

29 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

There may be some substance to these stories.  Yet, the same headlines have appeared whenever a vaccine is rolled out in a new country- be it Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, or Sinovac.

 

Best not to hark after the mythical safe vaccine and also it may be wise to wait a few weeks- pound to a penny the Thais won't have the emergency medicine widely distributed to avert serious thrombocytopenia (which is luckily very rare).

 

Vaccines do matter. From a recent, in depth medical summary:   https://www.uptodate.com/contents/covid-19-vaccine-induced-immune-thrombotic-thrombocytopenia-vitt

 

Implicated vaccines — Two adenoviral vector-based vaccines have been implicated in causing VITT:

• ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 (AstraZeneca, University of Oxford, and Serum Institute of India)
• Ad26.COV2.S (Janssen; Johnson & Johnson)

 

VITT has not been reported after mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines such as the BNT162b2 (Pfizer-BioNTech) or the mRNA-1273 (Moderna) vaccines despite administration and safety data collection from hundreds of millions of recipients.  (emphasis from article)

 

[Stupooey]

5 hours ago, foreverlomsak said:

yes one - death at some point

 

As life ends at the moment of death, it is an interesting philosophical (and linguistic) argument as to whether death occurs 'in life'. Perhaps taxes are the only certainty.

[Stupooey]

6 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Definitely...........when we cross Sukhumvit, much to my wife's annoyance, we use the overhead walk way..........drives her mad................risk management is a thing.

 

Surely on Sukhumvit there's more chance of a pedestrian running over a car than the other way round.

[BenDeCosta]

Covid has killed 3.75 million worldwide in roughly 18 months, of course that's terrible and sad. However, in a normal year, 150,000 die every day, so 54.75 million per year, give or take. So in a normal 18 month period you'd expect roughly 82.125 million people to die worldwide. Which means that the covid deaths to date have been around 4.6% of all deaths.  As a cause of death, this puts it behind ischaemic heart disease, stroke, COPD, lower respiratory tract infections, neonatal conditions and cancers.

 

And we know that many deaths which have had nothing to do with covid have been attributed to covid if that person had tested positive within 30 days. Therefore I would suggest that the actual number of people who have died FROM covid and not WITH covid is around 2.3% of all deaths worldwide. Of course any death is a tragedy, but it needs to be put into context. I certainly don't think it was worth devastating the global economy for this virus.

[starky]

12 minutes ago, BenDeCosta said:

Covid has killed 3.75 million worldwide in roughly 18 months, of course that's terrible and sad. However, in a normal year, 150,000 die every day, so 54.75 million per year, give or take. So in a normal 18 month period you'd expect roughly 82.125 million people to die worldwide. Which means that the covid deaths to date have been around 4.6% of all deaths.  As a cause of death, this puts it behind ischaemic heart disease, stroke, COPD, lower respiratory tract infections, neonatal conditions and cancers.

 

And we know that many deaths which have had nothing to do with covid have been attributed to covid if that person had tested positive within 30 days. Therefore I would suggest that the actual number of people who have died FROM covid and not WITH covid is around 2.3% of all deaths worldwide. Of course any death is a tragedy, but it needs to be put into context. I certainly don't think it was worth devastating the global economy for this virus.

HIV only killed 1500 in the first year. Now it has killed at least 30 million depending on the source you read.

With 7 million living with it and a million plus still dying every year.

   The problem with people like you wanting to count their chickens early is we are only 14 months in. So you can make zero arguments about case fatality from covid.  Further to that places like Australia have death rates close to zero other countries have fatality rates over 10% so your simplified premature maths hardly gives a true picture of the story. It also doesn't touch on your maths is based on reported cases and reported deaths and assumes both those numbers are accurately reported.

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid

Edited June 9, 2021 by starky

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7 minutes ago, BenDeCosta said:

And we know that many deaths which have had nothing to do with covid have been attributed to covid if that person had tested positive within 30 days. Therefore I would suggest that the actual number of people who have died FROM covid and not WITH covid is around 2.3% of all deaths worldwide. Of course any death is a tragedy, but it needs to be put into context. I certainly don't think it was worth devastating the global economy for this virus.

As any demographer will tell you, there has been in increase in mortality that is greater than that of deaths ascribed to covid. That's called excess mortality. As for the nonsense  about attribution, this stems from a basic misunderstanding of co-morbidity. Whenever anyone does, all the other illness and conditions that this person had are listed as comorbidities. It doesn't mean that they died from those illnesses or conditions. 

[BenDeCosta]

No need to be rude, perhaps you can enlighten us with some advanced statistics about how many people have died from covid, and what percentage that is of all people who have died during the same period?  

 

And then try to justify how that small percentage of deaths warranted a complete worldwide shutdown and economic disaster?

 

 

Edited June 9, 2021 by BenDeCosta

[impulse]

My father died soon after he ate a corned beef sandwich.

 

I don't blame corned beef.

 

[BenDeCosta]

11 minutes ago, impulse said:

My father died soon after he ate a corned beef sandwich.

 

I don't blame corned beef.

 

 

I'm sure that many people around the world who die would have had a haircut within the previous 30 days, but none of those deaths are attributed to "death by haircut" yet that is what's happening with covid.

 

That's a tongue-in-cheek comment for those of you who are confused by it.

Edited June 9, 2021 by BenDeCosta

[phills2k1]

1 hour ago, Andy from Kent said:

 

Is the logical extension of your post to   write whatever is possibly true instead of waiting  briefly until  correct information is available?    

 

Are we all so starved for misinformation??

Yup.  It's so damn infuriating

 

The media knows that the majority of the public only care about reading the headline, and whatever that first headline is, that's the narrative. Doesn't matter what information comes out later, whatever is reported first is the truth.

 

And that's just the general public. On top of this you have the general media reporting for clicks and then places like foxnews and the alt right ones weaponizing any negative headlines for days until more info comes out. And should more info come out that absolves the vaccines, there won't be a correction, they'll just stop talking about it. While the damage is done

[rabas]

9 minutes ago, BenDeCosta said:

No need to be rude, perhaps you can enlighten us with some advanced statistics about how many people have died from covid, and what percentage that is of all people who have died?  

 

And then try to justify how that small percentage of deaths warranted a complete worldwide shutdown and economic disaster?

 

7.1 million

 

Best scientific estimate from the world experts, the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation IHME. 

 

IHME:  Estimation of total mortality due to COVID-19

 

[starky]

7 minutes ago, BenDeCosta said:

No need to be rude, perhaps you can enlighten us with some advanced statistics about how many people have died from covid, and what percentage that is of all people who have died during the same period?  

 

And then try to justify how that small percentage of deaths warranted a complete worldwide shutdown and economic disaster?

 

 

That the response is disproportionate is a topic not related to your dodgy maths. 70 people a day in Thailand still dying on the roads so should we forget about covid and get onto road safety? It's a strawman

[DJBenz]

8 minutes ago, impulse said:

My father died soon after he ate a corned beef sandwich.

 

I don't blame corned beef.

 

That’s because the cause of death has been covered up by Big Tinned Meat.