Rhacsyn Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 25 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: Reason: Political caution, not science. Obviously not... You are interested in the very small numbers of complications the media have picked up on. Excess deaths in the OK was 10% for 2020 Thats its 10% more people died in 2020 in the UK than on average died in previous years - that info is damning - I didn’t take Covid-19 too seriously until I saw these raw stats for myself. From your quoted article..... the risk of dying from a blood clot after taking a vaccine is 1 in 800,000 Medical fact: 1 in 1000 people have a Thrombotic event each year (1 out of 9 of them die).... A separate stat in a separate article linked below: 1 in 4 people around the world die from conditions caused by Thrombosis. https://www.worldthrombosisday.org/issue/thrombosis/ This was before the AztraZeneca vaccine.... so, of course people will continue to die from the same causes they died of before the vaccine was created. Just because people may have died of a Thrombotic event after a vaccine does not mean that person would not have died of a Thrombotic event without the vaccine. Apologies that the link is a long read (I have seen others) but it also serves to emphasise the somewhat higher percentage numbers associated with thrombotic events for Covid sufferers. https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/blog/blood-clots-covid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadman Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Surelynot said: Thailand.... A person dies approximately every 59.85 seconds Number of deaths per year: 526,938 Number of deaths per day: 1,444 Number of deaths per hour: 60 Most of those deaths happen for an obvious reason though: traffic accident, old and poor health, getting stabbed, imitating superman from the balcony. How many of those deaths happen to healthy people in good health, shortly after getting a covid vaccine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adywhu Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Surelynot said: Zero side effects are not a good sign........sore arm, fatigue, mild fever, headaches are all powerful indicators the vaccine has worked. Not true, the older you are the less chance of side effects, as well as the AZ being more effective in the elderly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 43 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said: What can I say, you assume you know what I have watched and everyone who is more qualified than you and everyone here on TVF is a conspiracy theorist, give me a break, believe what you want, it's your choice as it is mine, but I know conspiracy theorists, and I stay clear of them, believe you me. Fact of the matter is, I believe what makes sense, is proven by studies and qualified professionals in their fields, who do you believe, governments, next thing you will be telling me that it didn't escape from the Wuhan lab, hopefully you will do your research before you reply, e.g. telling me that 80,000 animals in China had been tested for Covid, non infected with it, 3 staff fell ill in November 2019 and admitted to the hospital, China kept that away from the WHO, but that is another story, unless that too is a conspiracy theory in your mind. Nuf said, too much time wasted, out of here, have a life. You are creating a new argument because you can no longer sustain your lack of logic. I also suspect the reports and articles which indicate that SARS-CoV-2 leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (or other nearby lab) due to poor safety protocols while researching Coronaviruses. But any of that is completely irrelevant to the discussion on Vaccines... unless we wish to include the irony that the research on Coronaviruses being carried out at the Wuhan Institute of Virology was being carried out as a means to understand the virus and generate vaccines in the future !!!... Quote Fact of the matter is, I believe what makes sense, is proven by studies and qualified professionals in their fields, who do you believe, governments, But you don’t seem to believe the statistics that billions of people have already been vaccinated safely, in fact in an earlier comment you wrote [I am not interested in billions getting the vaccine.] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Led Lolly Yellow Lolly Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 40 minutes ago, Excel said: Soi dogs + pit bull terriers would most probably eat them if they did that You joke but it really happened in our village. Some poor guy went missing, later body parts were found in the ditches. The working assumption is that he dropped dead of a heart attack or something and the dogs ate him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricTh Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said: The AZ vaccine has not been proven to cause ‘blood clots’ at all, such comments from EircTh are misinformed and simply further spreading of hysteria. Really? Then what's this? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56665150 Some 79 people had suffered rare blood clots after vaccination by the end of March in the UK - 19 of whom had died. I am not even going to link to other similar cases in Europe and South East Asia which I read over the past few months. Edited June 9, 2021 by EricTh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 24 minutes ago, wadman said: 3 hours ago, Surelynot said: Thailand.... A person dies approximately every 59.85 seconds Number of deaths per year: 526,938 Number of deaths per day: 1,444 Number of deaths per hour: 60 Expand Most of those deaths happen for an obvious reason though: traffic accident, old and poor health, getting stabbed, imitating superman from the balcony. How many of those deaths happen to healthy people in good health, shortly after getting a covid vaccine? You mean like the 1 in 4 people world wide who die from a conditions related to Thrombosis ? More people die of Thrombosis than car accidents, breast cancer road traffic accidents..... https://www.worldthrombosisday.org/issue/thrombosis/ 900,000 people in the US suffer a thrombotic event each year - 1 in 9 of them die. We are being told to remain hydrated by every medical professional we come across ??? why ??? Thrombosis is one of the greatest silent killers known. So... Of course some of the people who have been vaccinated suffer from a Thrombotic condition... it was always going to happen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 34 minutes ago, Rhacsyn said: 1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said: Reason: Political caution, not science. Obviously not... You are interested in the very small numbers of complications the media have picked up on. Excess deaths in the OK was 10% for 2020 Thats its 10% more people died in 2020 in the UK than on average died in previous years - that info is damning - I didn’t take Covid-19 too seriously until I saw these raw stats for myself. From your quoted article..... the risk of dying from a blood clot after taking a vaccine is 1 in 800,000 Medical fact: 1 in 1000 people have a Thrombotic event each year (1 out of 9 of them die).... A separate stat in a separate article linked below: 1 in 4 people around the world die from conditions caused by Thrombosis. https://www.worldthrombosisday.org/issue/thrombosis/ This was before the AztraZeneca vaccine.... so, of course people will continue to die from the same causes they died of before the vaccine was created. Just because people may have died of a Thrombotic event after a vaccine does not mean that person would not have died of a Thrombotic event without the vaccine. Expand Apologies that the link is a long read (I have seen others) but it also serves to emphasise the somewhat higher percentage numbers associated with thrombotic events for Covid sufferers. https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/blog/blood-clots-covid Indeed. As with any cold, flu or generally any illness which places us under the weather. Anything which cause our ‘body to fight’ will in some form increase our levels of dehydration.... which is one of the simplest and greatest causes of Thrombosis.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricTh Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 hour ago, sandyf said: That is garbage, no such thing has been proven. See my reply above, It's not 'garbage'. The EU medicine body has already stated a few months back it is one of the 'rare' side effects of AZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteBuffaloATM Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 vaccines do not, in reality, have “reputations” and “perception”. vaccines have scientific & statistical effectiveness & risk no, perception is not reality, science & facts are reality....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said: Slight correction.... 1 in 1000 people will have a thrombotic event each year.... i.e. DVT, Pulmonary Embolism... additional risk factors are dehydration etc... You are completely wrong, different conditions altogether. Thrombocytopenia is a condition in which you have a low blood platelet count. Platelets (thrombocytes) are colorless blood cells that help blood clot. Platelets stop bleeding by clumping and forming plugs in blood vessel injuries. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/thrombocytopenia/symptoms-causes/syc-20378293 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugocnx Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 4 hours ago, audaciousnomad said: Death comes for us all eventually. Nothing can be done about that. Yes, but so you think that what's happening around these jabs globally is also 'nothing'? Indeed it's funny that people live their lives seemingly ignorant in that they can get killed, eg in their cars. But see what happens when the story goes around that a certain (new) type of car can explode one in many thousands. What do you think people will do? Will the sales of that car go up or nose dive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 4 hours ago, audaciousnomad said: Over 800,000 administered in 2 days. One fatality. 0.001%. Not bad. Over 800,000 administered in 2 days. Not one fatality confirmed as attributed to the vaccine. 0.000%, even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 4 hours ago, Surelynot said: 4 hours ago, audaciousnomad said: Death comes for us all eventually. Nothing can be done about that. Mmmmmmmm........healthy diet, don't drink or smoke, plenty of light exercise, avoid unnecessary risks...........?????? You're still going to die. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Surelynot said: Let me think die at 56 with lung cancer........or 86 in my sleep.......decisions, decisions......... What makes you think that you're going to go peacefully in your sleep? You won't have the luxury of a choice when you time comes. Edited June 9, 2021 by Liverpool Lou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 4 hours ago, Surelynot said: Zero side effects are not a good sign........sore arm, fatigue, mild fever, headaches are all powerful indicators the vaccine has worked. Zero side effects isn't a bad sign, either. Just as with the virus itself, some people are asymptomatic after the inoculation which doesn't mean that the vaccine isn't effective for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, sandyf said: 3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: Slight correction.... 1 in 1000 people will have a thrombotic event each year.... i.e. DVT, Pulmonary Embolism... additional risk factors are dehydration etc... You are completely wrong, different conditions altogether. Thrombocytopenia is a condition in which you have a low blood platelet count. Platelets (thrombocytes) are colorless blood cells that help blood clot. Platelets stop bleeding by clumping and forming plugs in blood vessel injuries. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/thrombocytopenia/symptoms-causes/syc-20378293 Please check your information again.... you have it the wrong way round - you are describing the opposite of Thrombosis. Thrombocytopenia - low platelet count means people who suffer bleed excessively because there blood does not clot (they can bleed from the eyes and any other orifice or membrane) Thrombosis is the opposite of Thrombocytopenia. Thrombosis is blood clotting.... A susceptibility to Thrombosis means someone is susceptible to blood clots. When someone cuts themselves or becomes unwell their immune system turns on and reacts by making the ‘blood clotting’ more active.... Other factors leading to Thrombosis are dehydration, not exercising or moving, genetic deficiencies such as Factor V-Leiden.... Thrombocytopenia is the opposite of all of that, its basically ’thinner blood’ - but I also get your point that there have been very rare cases where the ‘thinner blood’ can cause clotting due to the platelets sticking together. Edited June 9, 2021 by richard_smith237 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRich Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 hours ago, 4MyEgo said: I read an interesting article or saw it on a YouTube video, can't remember which it was, but a leading scientist stated that the vaccine can in fact make the blood clot, but they don't know why, apparently 11 of 13 people who died shortly after being vaccinated died of blood clotting, now that is a high number, when, where they where vaccinated I cannot recall, but I would hardly call these vaccinations safe if people are dying shortly thereafter, there has to be a reason, regardless of the benefit vs the risk, and yes I am aware people die in cars everyday. I will wait till the truth comes out, which it will eventually. Here's one I plucked off Google, it suggests it's the vaccine the way I read it. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-09/covid-vaccine-astrazeneca-blood-clots-over-50-safe/100057540 The probability of acquiring a blood clot is higher if you contract Covid 19 than if you receive the AZN vaccine. So if someone is worried about blood clots they should fear the virus more than the vaccine. You are also more likely to experience a blood clot if you take birth control pills. All of these activities are in fact low risk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: Zero side effects isn't a bad sign, either. Just as with the virus itself, some people are asymptomatic after the inoculation which doesn't mean that the vaccine isn't effective for them. Does that mean those who suffer more greater side effects from the vaccine would have suffered more severely from Covid-19 itself ??? The vaccine kicked my backside for 24 hrs !!!! nothing major, but Aching muscles and joints, feverish, headache, painful arm... Based on my moderate reaction to the vaccine would contracting SARS-CoV-2 have given me severe Covid-19 symptoms ? The question is more rhetorical than anything else as I don’t know if there is a scientific answer. Edited June 9, 2021 by richard_smith237 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardandtubs Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Western doctors are saying that these rare blood clots will occur between 5 and 30 days after vaccination, so if the woman died just a few hours later it's almost certainly just a coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardandtubs Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: Does that mean those who suffer more greater side effects from the vaccine would have suffered more severely from Covid-19 itself ??? The vaccine kicked my backside for 24 hrs !!!! nothing major, but Aching muscles and joints, feverish, headache, painful arm... Based on my moderate reaction to the vaccine would contracting SARS-CoV-2 have given me severe Covid-19 symptoms ? No it doesn't mean that at all because young people are more likely to suffer side effects than older people. Your side effects show that your immune system is kicking in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 hour ago, EricTh said: 2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: The AZ vaccine has not been proven to cause ‘blood clots’ at all, such comments from EircTh are misinformed and simply further spreading of hysteria. Really? Then what's this? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56665150 Some 79 people had suffered rare blood clots after vaccination by the end of March in the UK - 19 of whom had died. I am not even going to link to other similar cases in Europe and South East Asia which I read over the past few months. Blood clots are not rare - that is the media hysteria. 1 in 4 people die as a result of a blood clot. 900,000 people in the US every year have a blood clot - 1 in 9 die. Every year 1 in 1000 people have a Thrombotic event. None of this is rare - it is in fact alarmingly common !! So... it makes perfect sense that when millions are being vaccinated, some of them will have a thrombotic event, Its possible they were going to have that thrombotic with or without the vaccine. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardandtubs Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: Blood clots are not rare - that is the media hysteria. 1 in 4 people die as a result of a blood clot. 900,000 people in the US every year have a blood clot - 1 in 9 die. Every year 1 in 1000 people have a Thrombotic event. None of this is rare - it is in fact alarmingly common !! So... it makes perfect sense that when millions are being vaccinated, some of them will have a thrombotic event, Its possible they were going to have that thrombotic with or without the vaccine. It's not media hysteria, it's your misreading of their reporting. They're not saying blood clots are rare, they're saying it's rare to suffer this particular kind of blood clot as a result of vaccination. There really isn't any doubt at all now that AstraZeneca does cause these rare blood clots. There's even a name for the condition: vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia (VITT) and treatment protocols. Edited June 9, 2021 by edwardandtubs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rbkk Posted June 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: Does that mean those who suffer more greater side effects from the vaccine would have suffered more severely from Covid-19 itself ??? The vaccine kicked my backside for 24 hrs !!!! nothing major, but Aching muscles and joints, feverish, headache, painful arm... Based on my moderate reaction to the vaccine would contracting SARS-CoV-2 have given me severe Covid-19 symptoms ? The question is more rhetorical than anything else as I don’t know if there is a scientific answer. I had similar reactions after my AZ on Monday. A side effect not mentioned is the Thai Visa Forum. Avoiding reading said forum can greatly reduce the headaches. Edited June 9, 2021 by rbkk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, edwardandtubs said: 13 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: Blood clots are not rare - that is the media hysteria. 1 in 4 people die as a result of a blood clot. 900,000 people in the US every year have a blood clot - 1 in 9 die. Every year 1 in 1000 people have a Thrombotic event. None of this is rare - it is in fact alarmingly common !! So... it makes perfect sense that when millions are being vaccinated, some of them will have a thrombotic event, Its possible they were going to have that thrombotic with or without the vaccine. Expand It's not media hysteria, it's your misreading of their reporting. They're not saying blood clots are rare, they're saying it's rare to suffer this particular kind of blood clot as a result of vaccination. We agree then... And thrombosis - Blood Clots are not rare..... so when 1,000,000 people take the vaccine and 100 of them have a blood clot this year (1 in 1000 people have Thrombotic event every year) will those 100 thrombotic events be blamed on the vaccine ??? How can anyone possibly know that the blood clots are caused by the vaccines when blood clots happen anyway and it a far greater degree than any one suspects are cause vaccines ? Edited June 9, 2021 by richard_smith237 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 5 hours ago, jackdd said: You will still die. probably of boredom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eindhoven Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 5 hours ago, mtls2005 said: Would this be classified as a COVID-19 death? I'm guessing no. My neighbor, healthy, fit 30 - 35 YO Thai male, vaxxed Monday morning with AZ, had a mild fever, groggy/dizzy, body ache/joint pain. He's nearly back to normal today. Others, six people, I know with AZ over the last month, zero side effects. Thai female friend of mine, similar age; also complaining of fever and headache. Though this is with Sinovac. She's not happy; but hopefully will be ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post berybert Posted June 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2021 5 hours ago, Surelynot said: Let me think die at 56 with lung cancer........or 86 in my sleep.......decisions, decisions......... Living in Thailand you'll probably die in your taxi drivers sleep. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardandtubs Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: We agree then... And thrombosis - Blood Clots are not rare..... so when 1,000,000 people take the vaccine and 100 of them have a blood clot this year (1 in 1000 people have Thrombotic event every year) will those 100 thrombotic events be blamed on the vaccine ??? How can anyone possibly know that the blood clots are caused by the vaccines when blood clots happen anyway and it a far greater degree than any one suspects are cause vaccines ? Because not all blood clots are the same. The rare one caused by AstraZeneca is easily identifiable by a specialist. Of course there will be other blood clots that have nothing to do with AstraZeneca but there really is no doubt that VITT is a real issue that affects about one in 50,000 recipients of the AstraZeneca vaccine. I really don't see the point in you denying it when it's widely accepted by health authorities around the world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phills2k1 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: Reason: Political caution, not science. Obviously not... You are interested in the very small numbers of complications the media have picked up on. Excess deaths in the OK was 10% for 2020 Thats its 10% more people died in 2020 in the UK than on average died in previous years - that info is damning - I didn’t take Covid-19 too seriously until I saw these raw stats for myself. From your quoted article..... the risk of dying from a blood clot after taking a vaccine is 1 in 800,000 Medical fact: 1 in 1000 people have a Thrombotic event each year (1 out of 9 of them die).... A separate stat in a separate article linked below: 1 in 4 people around the world die from conditions caused by Thrombosis. https://www.worldthrombosisday.org/issue/thrombosis/ This was before the AztraZeneca vaccine.... so, of course people will continue to die from the same causes they died of before the vaccine was created. Just because people may have died of a Thrombotic event after a vaccine does not mean that person would not have died of a Thrombotic event without the vaccine. Appreciate you taking the time here, but unfortunately it's wasted breath. It's like trying to get through to a flat-earther or qanon. Some people just have that inherent need to feel like they're smarter than everyone when their actual intelligence fails them, and finding / latching on to things that are found in the dirty corners of the internet like these help satisfy that need. There's literally nothing you can say to convince them otehrwise 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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