placeholder Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 hour ago, 4MyEgo said: So sitting in a coffee shop sipping on coffee is ok, but no allowed to sip on a cold beer, what will become of socialising in the future, oh dear. What worries me is what happens after those coffee drinkers get onto their motorcycles or into their autos. Shouldn't let those caffeine addicts behind the wheel. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewsterbudgen Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 5 hours ago, placeholder said: Before the latest enhanced lockdown, hospitals came perilously close to being overwhelmed. What do you think would be the outcome if all restrictions were removed? I guess we'll find out soon (hopefully). Personally, I would be very surprised if they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewsterbudgen Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 hour ago, placeholder said: The Bangkok Post has the most information about this. Use this search term bangkok intensive care units nearly full thanks to covid The CCSA said about 30,000 people were being treated in hospitals and in field hospitals constructed to make up for the lack of enough hospital beds and intensive care units, especially in Bangkok. https://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/2021/05/05/thailand-fights-to-contain-covid-19-surge-in-bangkok/ But that was back in May? And the patients being "treated...in field hospitals" were asymptomatic. There is no evidence that Bangkok's hospitals have been overwhelmed at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, itsari said: Yes, see your point , but somehow i have to go along with there ban on alcohol as that was one of the reasons that the infection rates around Thailand took off again recently . I also see your point, however we can't blame the Hi-So clubs and politicians for that mess, it was normal people like us that caused that, so we must suffer the consequences for others being stupid. Fact of the matter is, this Covid is going to be with us for a long time, a decade or two if not more, so might as well allow everyone to get on with it, those with healthy immune systems will survive and those who don't will perish, life goes on. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsari Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 minute ago, 4MyEgo said: I also see your point, however we can't blame the Hi-So clubs and politicians for that mess, it was normal people like us that caused that, so we must suffer the consequences for others being stupid. Fact of the matter is, this Covid is going to be with us for a long time, a decade or two if not more, so might as well allow everyone to get on with it, those with healthy immune systems will survive and those who don't will perish, life goes on. ???? In Chiang Mai it was young people frequenting night clubs . Not so Hi so . Close night clubs and not bars ? I don't think that would work . I hope you are wrong about the two decades or more . Look at the figures where countries have made a good job of the vaccination programs . It looks promising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, itsari said: In Chiang Mai it was young people frequenting night clubs . Not so Hi so . Close night clubs and not bars ? I don't think that would work . I hope you are wrong about the two decades or more . Look at the figures where countries have made a good job of the vaccination programs . It looks promising Well with all the mutations coming along, experimental vaccines working and not working on variants, it's all over the place and sooner than later countries will open up regardless, unless they want to become banana republics and their we will continue to have the spreads. Countries cannot stay closed, their economies depend on opening up borders for their economies to survive, this has almost been 18 months now, another 6 months tops and they will all go under if they cannot vaccinate their populations, don't forget there are vaccine shortages, and we don't know what effects these experimental vaccines will have in the future, in particular the Pfizer and Moderna NEW technology. I hope it's all good and we can all get back to as normal a life we had. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboctok Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 On 6/19/2021 at 12:23 PM, phil lee said: What sort of people running Thailand how can they Have very Dark red Dark red light red what idiots Designed by the same child who organised the banking system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 3 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said: But that was back in May? And the patients being "treated...in field hospitals" were asymptomatic. There is no evidence that Bangkok's hospitals have been overwhelmed at all. Yes that was back in April and May when hospitals were being severely stressed and there were waiting lines for people seriously ill with covid. Did you actually bother to do a search and see what the Bangkok Post articles said? I doubt it What do field hospitals set up for the asymptomatic have to do with that? What do you think will happen if the govt. relaxes restrictions the way it did before? Especially now that the delta variant is on the increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 hours ago, aboctok said: Designed by the same child who organised the banking system. Because color-coding of maps is some uniquely Thai innovation? Obviously color coding makes it very clear the status of the pandemic in different locations. Would you rather have a mapped littered with numbers to illustrate its varying severity? Yours is just another case of reflexive anti-Thai mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puccini Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Italy uses colour coding and I believe also several other European countries. I see nothing wrong with Thailand doing the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 13 hours ago, itsari said: Yes, see your point , but somehow i have to go along with there ban on alcohol as that was one of the reasons that the infection rates around Thailand took off again recently . You might see a point but I see someone wearing blinkers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsari Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, jacko45k said: You might see a point but I see someone wearing blinkers. It is not a point I am making . However I ask you to read the most recent news rather than looking at the last 15 months . Blinkers are for a horse not to be spooked . I am not spooked by sinovac vaccine's or the Sputnik v like so many are . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, itsari said: It is not a point I am making . However I ask you to read the most recent news rather than looking at the last 15 months . Blinkers are for a horse not to be spooked . I am not spooked by sinovac vaccine's or the Sputnik v like so many are . Comment was more a reflection on who you quoted really. Those who do not see the difference between drinking coffee in a coffee shop, and use it as an argument against bar closures are myopic.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsari Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, jacko45k said: Comment was more a reflection on who you quoted really. Those who do not see the difference between drinking coffee in a coffee shop, and use it as an argument against bar closures are myopic.. On the contrary . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 On 6/19/2021 at 8:50 AM, Joinaman said: so why would that make him different from anyone getting the shots ? Could be working in a field hospital, or are the army staff not considered front line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 On 6/19/2021 at 8:14 AM, Denim said: Living in the boonies all this stuff might as well be happening on the moon. Reading about tourist ghost towns seems strange when our local night market is busier than ever. Apart from face masks everywhere its hard to notice any difference. Bit the same, I live out in the sticks. Yesterday we had a power cut all day, been several due to major improvements in the area. In the afternoon we went over to Bang Saen, same as we did last time 2 weeks ago. When we went last time the place was deserted, a few people walking on beach but no stalls or deck chairs. What a difference yesterday, the beach was rammed, busier than a pre pandemic holiday weekend and the traffic was gridlocked. We went along to the far end nearest Sri Ratcha, about the only parking available. Found a nice little restaurant but no beer as the weren't allowed to sell, guy just suggested I go to 7/11. Like a trip back in time, however power still off when we got home, from 8am to 6pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 15 hours ago, itsari said: Yes, see your point , but somehow i have to go along with there ban on alcohol as that was one of the reasons that the infection rates around Thailand took off again recently . Quite. I doubt it is coincidence that the rates in the UK have shot up since they allowed people back in the pubs. Alcohol however is only a catalyst, the real problem is the close socialising and unfortunately a great deal of that happens in Thailand without alcohol being involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Wow. Dine in allowed until 11pm now. This will certainly save the economy from a 1997 type disaster, which is looming. Open all bars and allow all restaurants to serve booze starting tomorrow. Keep the clubs closed for awhile. Let the people go back to work and let the tourists have some fun on their vacation. Use common sense for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joinaman Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 11 hours ago, placeholder said: Yes that was back in April and May when hospitals were being severely stressed and there were waiting lines for people seriously ill with covid. Did you actually bother to do a search and see what the Bangkok Post articles said? I doubt it What do field hospitals set up for the asymptomatic have to do with that? What do you think will happen if the govt. relaxes restrictions the way it did before? Especially now that the delta variant is on the increase. hospitals stressed ? Seems to be very few , overworked with Covid, with many many lucky to have but a few patients, most having mild symptoms But you keep believing that if it makes you happy Did the Bangkok Post ask around the country, or was it just the rough tourist areas , because none of the hospitals around here have had more than a few cases, and certainly not stressed. perhaps if the relaxed the restrictions, the country can get back to normal, providing they stop the media from hyping up what is still, such a small amount of deaths Yes, it "could" get worse, if, maybe, possibly, , but the it could also, if, maybe possibly not . kept hearing on here since last year how we were all gunna die from this virus in the thousands each week, still waiting ! Meanwhile millions of Thais are struggling to survive, to provide basics like food , all the while listening to the media hype, but never actually seeing or hearing of anyone dying from this " deadly" virus, , 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarky cat Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 so restaurants in the yellow area can serve alcohol from today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joinaman Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, sandyf said: Quite. I doubt it is coincidence that the rates in the UK have shot up since they allowed people back in the pubs. Alcohol however is only a catalyst, the real problem is the close socialising and unfortunately a great deal of that happens in Thailand without alcohol being involved. so as you admit, close contact happens in Thailand, with, or without the beer ban, so why continue with it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Joinaman said: so as you admit, close contact happens in Thailand, with, or without the beer ban, so why continue with it ? I don't like it but the facts are facts. On April 10th cases in Chonburi shot up from 30+ to 140+ when over 100 cases were found in a 'poser pub' not far from us. I would agree that there is no real reason why alcohol could not be served in restaurants where people are seated as dining tables tend to reduce the numbers. From what I saw in Bang Saen yesterday I think we are in for another surge in numbers, 3km of beach rammed full like sardines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantiSuk Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Nobody knows. Wait for the announcement of detailed rules by Government, mooted for sometime today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboctok Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 13 hours ago, placeholder said: Because color-coding of maps is some uniquely Thai innovation? Obviously color coding makes it very clear the status of the pandemic in different locations. Would you rather have a mapped littered with numbers to illustrate its varying severity? Yours is just another case of reflexive anti-Thai mentality. That's called a straw man. No one complained that color-coded maps were used. You should not pretend that they did. Reflexive anti-Thai mentality... I wonder how such an enigmatic condition might possibly develop. I guess that's just a mystery for the ages, that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewsterbudgen Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 13 hours ago, placeholder said: Yes that was back in April and May when hospitals were being severely stressed and there were waiting lines for people seriously ill with covid. Did you actually bother to do a search and see what the Bangkok Post articles said? I doubt it What do field hospitals set up for the asymptomatic have to do with that? What do you think will happen if the govt. relaxes restrictions the way it did before? Especially now that the delta variant is on the increase. "What do you think will happen if the govt. relaxes restrictions the way it did before?" - we should find out very soon, as there aren't many restrictions left that are still in force. The big one, I guess will be bars and clubs, but further relaxations take effect from today, and I've been told that schools will be allowed to re-open from 1 July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said: "What do you think will happen if the govt. relaxes restrictions the way it did before?" - we should find out very soon, as there aren't many restrictions left that are still in force. The big one, I guess will be bars and clubs, but further relaxations take effect from today, and I've been told that schools will be allowed to re-open from 1 July. No. We already did find out what was going to happen. It looks like they caught the surge just in the nick of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewsterbudgen Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, placeholder said: No. We already did find out what was going to happen. It looks like they caught the surge just in the nick of time. Sorry, I thought you were referring to relaxing the remaining restrictions still in force now, not last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 "Just When I Thought I Was Out, They Pull Me Back In!" No better predictor of a new wave than the authorities relaxing restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Hanot Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Are those making the "rules " still getting their monthly pay check , unlike so many poor Thai people out of work and living God knows on what kind of savings ... Sickening !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaLa Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) CCSA just announced this minute that Yellow and Green Zone restaurants 'open as normal'. They specifically prohibit sale of alcohol in Red /Dark Red / Medium Redish Brown/ Redish Purple Zones etc. They don't mention alcohol at all for the Yellow and green , thus I can only assume they don't want us to get too giddy. Feel sorry for any of us that are colour blind. Edited June 21, 2021 by DaLa Missed words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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