U.S. embassy in Thailand rejects citizens' appeal for vaccines

[Disparate Dan]

4 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

I am IN North East Thailand where I have been for the last 20 plus years.

 

Who has said about whether you want it or not and Embassy involvement?

 

READ THE POST PROPERLY

 

I stated I had friends who work in Bangkok and who have businesses in Bangkok who had told me, that regardless of press announcements that Nobody is safe until everybody is safe, they were being selective there and selecting Thais first.

 

That is also something that has also been reported on TVF by a thread of Sheryl, one of the moderators.

 

So my comments are based IN Thailand.

 

Hope that clarifies where I am.

 

 

 

 

Great. Enjoy yourself up in the northeast. I'll take my chances in BKK where I have been for 25+ years.  Thanks for the note.

Edited June 23, 2021 by Disparate Dan

[Scouse123]

1 minute ago, Disparate Dan said:

Great. Enjoy yourself up in the northeast. I'll take my chances in BKK where I have been for 25+ years.  Thanks for the note.

Welcome.

 

Enjoy the RED zone!

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29 minutes ago, Trujillo said:

Why is the head of the USA embassy in Bangkok calling himself a chargé d'affaires? Did we get sold to the French since I've been gone? 

Heads of embassies of the USA are called ambassadors. 

Because currently there is no ambassador appointed to Thailand. The last one was a political appointee of the Trump adminstration. The chargé d'affaires us the second in command. The term is a holdover from the era when French was the lingua franca of diplomacy.

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

because he is neither the ambassodor nor of ambassador rank; same situation as US Embassy in UK

 

where same position had the unmitigated gall to issue a formal diplomatic rebuke to the UK Govt. about “ not endangering the peace process in N. Ireland”......during Bidens visit to UK for G7.

who the hell did they think they were you talking too ..... UK is US Top Ally not some flaming banana republic......apologies for off topic but indicative of Bidens contempt for his friends/ citizens.....

 

covid vax of citizens is very much not embassy business

but stupid excuse though “working on worldwide vaccine access” is clearly an unsubtle meaningless “blow-off”  unrelated to the subject at hand of ” vaccinating US Citizens in Thailand” ......

 

US VP is not a “ceromonial” post.....btw....VP has all sorts of key govt. roles....and when Biden keels over soon....that ceromonial VP becomes Leader of the Free World......

 

US Thailand Residents treated with utter contempt by its govt, as presumed to be all Republican I guess........

 

[connda]

2 hours ago, Winegeeker said:

I think a deadly worldwide pandemic would classify as an emergency, no excuse for not providing proper vaccines for it’s own citizens 

Unless in actuality they personally don't consider it an "emergency."
Makes one wonder.  ????

[soi3eddie]

3 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

he only disturbing news I am getting from friends in Bangkok is that they are coming up against a wall of " Thais first " which I find ridiculous.

 

The irony of this comment. How many of those here on Thai Visa Forum would wish for their own people in their home countries to be given priority treatment rather than it going to immigrants - legal or illegal?

 

Edited June 23, 2021 by soi3eddie

[soi3eddie]

1 minute ago, NorthernRyland said:

USA is literally vaccinating illegal immigrants  before sending vaccines to embassies for their citizens. A Thai national could enter into the US illegally with a sign on his back that says "death to the USA" and walk into a free vaccination clinic. Absolute state of the US in 2021.

 

Same in the UK.

 

[connda]

17 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

USA is literally vaccinating illegal immigrants  before sending vaccines to embassies for their citizens. A Thai national could enter into the US illegally with a sign on his back that says "death to the USA" and walk into a free vaccination clinic. Absolute state of the US in 2021.

Yep.  That's the nature of our wonderful country.  Everyone before US citizens.

[Scouse123]

21 minutes ago, soi3eddie said:

 

The irony of this comment. How many of those here on Thai Visa Forum would wish for their own people in their home countries to be given priority treatment rather than it going to immigrants - legal or illegal?

 

 

 

Not me,

 

I find it daft and hard to comprehend as the only way of vaccination is the elderly, the highly vulnerable and down from there in stages as has been done in the UK, and in all right minded nations.

 

Do you think for one minute a UK person would say to a Thai women in the UK, Hang on a minute, British first? they just wouldn't! And that is what foreigners have been told here in certain provinces, many elderly with conditions that make them vulnerable. On TVF there was a updated chart listing as to where it had happened.

 

And the UK government and NHS in charge of vaccinations wouldn't allow such discrimination to happen either.

 

Up here in cowboy country, I was chatting the other day to the woman who sells spring rolls outside the Krung Thai bank, and she told me, matter-of-factly, her sister in the UK had had both jabs already. I just said, ' Good for her! '

 

I wouldn't expect my sons, both in their early thirties, to take priority over a man or a woman who happened to be, for example, an elderly Mexican or Indian immigrant in the UK, it wouldn't enter my head.

 

Illegals and boat crossing illegals, well that is another thread completely.

 

 

Edited June 23, 2021 by Scouse123

[connda]

17 minutes ago, soi3eddie said:

 

The irony of this comment. How many of those here on Thai Visa Forum would wish for their own people in their home countries to be given priority treatment rather than it going to immigrants - legal or illegal?

 

Imho everyone in the US - everyone - should be placed in the same lines.  Priority should go to the elderly, infirm, and those with health conditions regardless of who they are.  Which as far as I can tell is how it works.  The US is extremely sensitive to racial discrimination.  Thailand basks in its xenophobia and nationalism.  Why?  No one in the world takes them to task. No one!
Ironically, the US discriminates against one category of US citizen - expats.

[Scouse123]

15 minutes ago, connda said:

Imho everyone in the US - everyone - should be placed in the same lines.  Priority should go to the elderly, infirm, and those with health conditions regardless of who they are.  Which as far as I can tell is how it works.  The US is extremely sensitive to racial discrimination.  Thailand basks in its xenophobia and nationalism.  Why?  No one in the world takes them to task. No one!
Ironically, the US discriminates against one category of US citizen - expats.

 

You can use that exact same statement above, substitute UK for USA, and that is what IS happening, and to my knowledge, is going on on our side of the pond and how our government deals with things such as racial sensitivities, everyone petrified of being called racist or homophobic!

 

In the UK now, if you are White, a good income tax payer, heterosexual, .....watch out, you are last on the list!

 

I am also with you 100% regarding Thailand and the xenophobia and nationalism as well as the Jingoistic nature of the top players in government. And it is all because The West don't pay enough attention to these statements or don't take them seriously, which emboldens these asses!

 

 

Edited June 23, 2021 by Scouse123

[Soikhaonoiken]

No surprise with this decision.... 

[Patong2021]

4 hours ago, clivebaxter said:

Biden would rather get illegal immigrants vaccinated than citizens abroad

No. You do not understand the issues. Please look at the rules that apply to vaccine distribution. Because France Pesident is in serious political crisis and needs free positive political PR because of promise to distribute a few hundred vaccines does not mean USA federal government can bring and distribute tens of thousands of vaccines.

[smedly]

4 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Got the email from the embassy this morning, and I had to just laugh. They have put their trust in Thailand and other countries to vaccinate the citizens who are living or working in those countries.

 

what to say 

 

Thailand has failed those who are living here with very limited options 

 

got admire France for stepping up

 

not much to add to that 

 

I am sure US citizens are paying taxes back home - I am in the UK 

 

it is not good enough 

 

and Thailand has thrown us under a bus as always but they want our citizens to come on holiday ASAP to save Thailand 

[smedly]

4 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Imagine every country in this world would supply vaccines to all their citizens

actually - Thailand is now totally reliant on vaccine donations from other countries - they made such a cluster of their own vaccine rollout 

 

who is paying for the handouts - tax payers in their home countries which includes foreigners living here 

 

angry

[Taboo2]

Good-the US should not provide any vaccines to "entitled Expats".  Regardless if you pay taxes or not.  Unless you are working at the Embassy or in the Military protecting our country, you should just "Man up" and get yourselves vaccinated back home or just wait your turn in Thailand.

 

Americans whine too much nowadays....always looking for Mommie (the Government) to help them.

 

 

[smedly]

3 hours ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

then go back to USA for that then......

why ?

 

the US just gave Thailand 37m dollars 

 

if I had a say in the matter I would be withholding any money or donations until Thailand started treating foreigners living here equally - I don't want special treatment just equal treatment 

 

angry

[smedly]

3 hours ago, rbkk said:

Rubbish.

whitebuffalo - nothing more to add

[wasabi]

It is not the USA's fault that Thailand opted out of Covax. They would've received millions of free mRNA vaccines like their neighbor Cambodia who is part of Covax. Why did they opt out? You'll have to ask Prime Minister Pinocchio.

[candide]

The French succeed again in sowing discord, he he!

Edited June 23, 2021 by candide

[ericthai]

3 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

Exactly. These retired Americans in Thailand would have worked the first 3 months of every year paying local, state and federal taxes. Now when *they* need support form their government in a global emergency they're told to wait in line like the rest of the world. Shipping vaccines to an embassy was too much to ask even. Totally unforgivable.

yeah, Totally unforgivable!!.. you should renounce your American citizenship, that'll show them!!

[ericthai]

1 hour ago, connda said:

Imho everyone in the US - everyone - should be placed in the same lines.  Priority should go to the elderly, infirm, and those with health conditions regardless of who they are.  Which as far as I can tell is how it works.  The US is extremely sensitive to racial discrimination.  Thailand basks in its xenophobia and nationalism.  Why?  No one in the world takes them to task. No one!
Ironically, the US discriminates against one category of US citizen - expats.

you guys are behind the times of what's going on in the USA.. they cant get enough people to get a shot. There are states giving incentives to get the shot. No lines, no waiting, no appointments walk into a pharmacy (walgreens, CVS, walmart, etc) and get your shot!  

[Rampant Rabbit]

9 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Or only those parts of Thailand which you like and otherwise your home country should take care of you. Really? 

yes,  thanks.

[scorecard]

9 hours ago, clivebaxter said:

Biden would rather get illegal immigrants vaccinated than citizens abroad

Silly comment..

[ArtVandelay]

When George W. Bush cut medical research (in 2004) in order to pay for his Iraq Invasion . . I knew. 

 

It's really about the money in America.    And anyone who thinks otherwise is nieve. 

 

This is also why an Arab sheik will get world class medical treatment in Boston while an American who lives under a bridge in LA gets to visit an emergency room of an underfunded county hospital and wait for hours in the waiting room.   Or a single parent gets three separate bills in the mail for a visit to that same emergency room that lasts only three minutes.   Now they have to decide whether to pay the bills or feed their family.  

[bristolgeoff]

No not doing it except the chinese I heard and the french.The rest will follow suit I imagine.the us will not do it,don,t expect the uk  either I imagine otherwise they would know by now

[herfiehandbag]

10 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

The only disturbing news I am getting from friends in Bangkok is that they are coming up against a wall of " Thais first " which I find ridiculous.

If that is the case it is because of the trickle down effect of xenophobic and nationalistic verbal assaults on TV from certain people in government.

It needs reporting to Embassies if this is the case, as this will be taken very seriously and passed on up the chain to Western leaders, who are supplying South East Asia with technology,  science and surplus vaccines.

It (vaccine refusal based on nationality) is happening. I and others have reported it to (in my case the UK) embassy. In their reply (I believe written and sent from a UK based office to which it appears all communications are automatically forwarded) they told me that " the embassy does not provide vaccinations", I know and was not asking for that; and that I "should rely on the local health care system for access to vaccines", well that was the point I was making, they are refusing it. They also stated that the Thai government had assured them that foreigners living here would have access to vaccines.

 

Well they have been lied to. I have been refused, when I went to register I was told to my face " no vaccine - you are a foreigner". I have been refused a second time, I am the only white teacher at my school, all my colleagues ( including Philipinos) are being vaccinated - I have been refused because I am "a foreigner". It appears that I am far from being the only case. It would seem that here at least two separate Thai ministry's  ( Public Health and Education) are operating such policies.

 

The Embassy, and by extension the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, should be very publicly 'calling" out the Thai government on that lie. After all, Thais living in the UK are being vaccinated.

 

It seems that they are doing nothing. Frightened? Don't want to upset people? Timid Tim's?

 

Edited June 23, 2021 by herfiehandbag

[itsari]

7 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

USA is literally vaccinating illegal immigrants  before sending vaccines to embassies for their citizens. A Thai national could enter into the US illegally with a sign on his back that says "death to the USA" and walk into a free vaccination clinic. Absolute state of the US in 2021.

Covid does not care what nationality you are or if your are a ex tax payer to the US treasury . 

I personally am pleased that the US government is refusing to treat there citizens living abroad any differently than the natives .

How the Chinese and French governments are helping there citizens is racist . If you cant handle that term try unethical .

[jacko45k]

10 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Got the email from the embassy this morning, and I had to just laugh. They have put their trust in Thailand and other countries to vaccinate the citizens who are living or working in those countries.

Thailand is unable to vaccinate it's own and employing a first come for cronies and Hi-sos, and old fellow military college buddies, who want their provinces opened up and fully vaccinated. 

In Western Thailand, my Mrs relatives have been fully vaccinated for many weeks, 50 odd year old adults, and 18 year old kid alike. Here near Pattaya, my Mrs waits to hear from  the place she registered a month back.... falangs not being considered. In rural Korat, the 84 year old mother has yet to hear, what happened to the promise of the elderly being vaccinated in weeks? 

Hospitals who have no vaccines anyhow are expected to answer 10 emails each week from every desperate foreigner...... good luck with that!

 

France shows some backbone.... 

[inThailand]

10 hours ago, clivebaxter said:

Biden would rather get illegal immigrants vaccinated than citizens abroad

So true. What a pathetic country ours has become.